Compulsory Anti Covid jabs?
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Lost Seasider
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No.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Yes.
Chunkylad
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There % unvaccinated isn’t that great in the UK and those not vaccinated know the risk. In fact they’re the ones suffering the worst of the current wave so the % will get lower naturally.
I know of 2 people in white collar jobs who have recently been told by their bosses they’ll need to either get vaccinated or take isolation periods as unpaid leave as their roles involve travelling abroad on projects.
Both who are dead against vaccination are going to get it done to save on the ‘hassle Factor’ (so much for strong beliefs….!)
Once again money often sways decisions like this.
I know of 2 people in white collar jobs who have recently been told by their bosses they’ll need to either get vaccinated or take isolation periods as unpaid leave as their roles involve travelling abroad on projects.
Both who are dead against vaccination are going to get it done to save on the ‘hassle Factor’ (so much for strong beliefs….!)
Once again money often sways decisions like this.
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Dave62
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I think it depends on whether the NHS becomes overwhelmed during the winter. I think that will be the driver because something will have to be done if the NHS comes under even more pressure. For example my sister in law was due to have a life saving cancer operation in September, but it was cancelled because there were no icu beds available due to Covid (don't know if the patients were unvaccinated) This happened 3 times and we were getting worried, but 4th time lucky in October.
Other than that I don't hold any strong beliefs on the subject, I just follow the advice of medical professionals because I haven't got a clue. I've had both jabs, and my booster is on Weds. I've also had the flu jab for the first time in my life, which made me feel rougher than either covid jab.
Other than that I don't hold any strong beliefs on the subject, I just follow the advice of medical professionals because I haven't got a clue. I've had both jabs, and my booster is on Weds. I've also had the flu jab for the first time in my life, which made me feel rougher than either covid jab.
BlackpoolWolves
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Similar for me...both my second jab and the booster left me feeling quite ill...so definitely like to think it must be because I do a lot of sport etcThe Covid jabs left me feeling grotty for a few days. I’m sure I read something around it affecting people more who were active or had strong reactive immune systems?
If true, I want my booster straight after New Year
I fail to understand why people won't have the jabs.
Every day they must see the numbers of people who are dying or being very poorly, also people who have had the jab, caught the virus in a mild attack, and recovered quickly.
What are they afraid of?
No problems at all from MrsDP and I, no after effects from the 3 we've had.
Every day they must see the numbers of people who are dying or being very poorly, also people who have had the jab, caught the virus in a mild attack, and recovered quickly.
What are they afraid of?
No problems at all from MrsDP and I, no after effects from the 3 we've had.
Chunkylad
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Usual arguments I hear Dave are:
1. Wasn’t tested long enough (despite global eminent medical scientists in every country all peer reviewing and saying it’s been done correctly)
2. Don’t know what the long term effect will be (unlike catching Covid unvaccinated which has a short term death effect)
3 Can cause infertility (despite medical science proving otherwise and babies being born since vaccination, plus the death caused by Covid being quite effective contraception)
4. Don’t want to poison their bodies (alcohol, vaping, processed food etc are all fine though)
5. I’m a Complete selfish fuck that has no concern for anyone else and the NHS needs to treat me if I’m wrong and catch Covid (actually I’ve never heard this argument yet but it’s implied!)
Chunky, you missed 'I'm afraid of the pain in having a needle in my arm,'.
Halifax71
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Irrespective of jabbed or not I can see passports becoming more and more commonplace.
This is a great idea - not a major issue here but this was set up after a cinema in Wales refused to comply with mandatory passports and had been closed down for a month as a result.
Two fingers in case it spreads here.
againstvaccinepassports.com
This is a great idea - not a major issue here but this was set up after a cinema in Wales refused to comply with mandatory passports and had been closed down for a month as a result.
Two fingers in case it spreads here.
Against Vaccine Passports – For Our Children, Our Future And Our Freedom
againstvaccinepassports.com
Matesrates
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Passports will concentrate minds of those who don’t want the jab.
Wizaard
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Two billion people have had the Astra Zeneca jab. How big a test sample do these tin foil hat wearers need?
Chunkylad
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Well if the vaccine is a problem, there’s a rather large body of people who will need fixing globally…..
They are truly mad
Shandypants
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I'm debating whether I have the booster. How often will this be? Secondly the pfizer jab doesn't appeal to me if AZ was available I'd probably have that.
Johnno
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The problem with that is that they don’t believe any government figures on adverse reactions.
They’d rather believe some gimp on you tube telling them that millions are dying from the vaccine, and all the world’s governments are covering it up.
Or, as a mate of mine genuinely believes, Covid doesn’t exist, it’s all fake news.
Matesrates
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I would guess that the insulate rebellion lot are also anti vax.
Wizzerboy
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No but if they contract the virus after being offered the jab and get into a critical condition just leave them.
They make the choice whether it's right or wrong.
Lost Seasider
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I don't see them coming to England unless something substantial changes, if only because the government have decided that a certain level of infection is desirable and they won't want to change course again.
As for the other home nations I suspect it's more about politics rather than public health, in Wales Labour are desperate for their "we told you so" moment where they can pretend they would've done a better job of managing the pandemic, thus they'll do the opposite of whatever happens in England (circuit-breaker, masks, passports etc) in the hope that something works out for them, in Scotland it's the SNP, 'nuff said.
Wizaard
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I agree with you that it won't come here because of that herd immunity aspect.
When they say it will be mandatory, are they literally going to go round people's houses and inject them? Just can't see it.
Chunkylad
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Shouldn’t do though should it?
“I’m sticking to my right to not be vaccinated (choose one of excuses above). I’m a strong principled person and know my rights”
“Then you cannot go on holiday then as X country demands it”
“I deserve my holiday to X so I will get jabbed”
Killingmesoftly
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Nah, it’s like natural selection…
Mexboroseasider
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And the anti vaxxers would say the same I imagine.Nah, it’s like natural selection…
The sheeple deserve what’s coming to them.
Cough.
dodgy_surname
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Not my problem , having my booster tomorrow. My only problem is the needle, being a total pussy 
TimperleyTangerine
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Get it done, as protection reduces. I caught Covid just before my booster was due at 6 months. My wife and 4 friends had their 2nd vaccination 2 months after me, and didn’t catch Covid at the same gathering. I believe that it’s now being advocated that 5 months between 2nd dose and booster is the optimum period.
fcblackpool
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To work, to shop, be allowed to walk in the park. They will be able to persuade many to get jabbed.
It's all a bit silly now. We all know that restrictions, not a lockdown, are coming so why not just do it. The implications from delay just dont add up.
dodgy_surname
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Belgium Austria Netherlands all kicking off
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Scaramanga
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Give your head a wobble Davepick. I get your old and vulnerable but just take a look online at the outpouring of disdain to this bullshit across the world. It’s just a massive no no.
TSSeasider
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I have had both jabs, will book my booster when I'm allowed (48 and not in an at risk group) and have got my kids vaccinated too however I'm completely against compulsory vaccination.
We've campaigned for years to give women the right to self determination and sovereignty on issues like abortion, which is life and death depending on your persisting and here we are having conversations about whether a vaccine should be compulsory!
It's unbelievable really.
I accept that places have the right to determine who can enter but I think it's Government overreach and is potentially a gateway issue to impose just about anything they want.
We've campaigned for years to give women the right to self determination and sovereignty on issues like abortion, which is life and death depending on your persisting and here we are having conversations about whether a vaccine should be compulsory!
It's unbelievable really.
I accept that places have the right to determine who can enter but I think it's Government overreach and is potentially a gateway issue to impose just about anything they want.
Mixing the different jabs has shown to give greater protection in tests they have done and they are not generally using AZ for boosters - either Pfizer or Moderna. My wife and I are due our boosters on 1 December and it likely to be the Moderna because that is more plentiful currently. It is likely that there will be a booster programme required every 6 months or so for at least the next couple of years
It will possibly be like the Flu jab, every year maybe?
Tangerinemoss
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Flu jab and Covid booster next Monday 
500 mile drive down to a funeral on Tuesday, hope I don't get a reaction, haven't done so far, but sods law says.......
500 mile drive down to a funeral on Tuesday, hope I don't get a reaction, haven't done so far, but sods law says.......
seasiderjohn
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i have a neice who smokes copious amounts of weed but says im not going to poison my body
JJpool
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So you'd go for Boris behind a tree with a blow gun or even by hand throwing vaccine darts....
Sooty59
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Boris couldn’t hit a barn door with a shovel. He’d probably take Peppa Pigs eye out.So you'd go for Boris behind a tree with a blow gun or even by hand throwing vaccine darts....
No I don’t advocate darting or crop dusting, my point was why would people chose not to get protected.
JJpool
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Upto them I guess, depends on how old they are, most young people are at no real risk from the virus at all.
The problem is mandatory jabs or medical procedures is a dangerous path to go down, a lot of this lockdown and restrictions is about government gaining power and not wanting to give it up.
Governments shouldn't be trusted, all they do is lie, look at the Snowden leaks and how it was exposed they can hack you phones and turn camers on etc without you knowing. If that wasn't leaked people might claim they could do it but people might think nah they wouldn't do that.... they did.
They can't be trusted to always use their powers for good.
People are going too far about covid with the push for vaccine passports, when even vaccinated can still spread it so makes no sense to have it given we're all mostly all jabbed, make me think there's a ulterior motive maybe.
Halifax71
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Another variant - there's a shocker. 
news.sky.com
New COVID variant: UK urgently brings in travel restrictions to stop spread of 'the worst one we've seen so far'
Mutations in the B.1.1.529 variant are likely to evade the immune response generated by prior infection and vaccination, UK experts say.
news.sky.com
They're just scared of a little Prick. I thought Adolf Hitler was dead?
Halifax71
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Due to have my booster on Monday. Must admit I don't think it's necessary, and agreed wholeheartedly with the opinions in the video below.
Off to Mexico on Wednesday and I guess the definition of fully jabbed will be changed to 3 soon and I can see it being a regular thing going forward where you'll need an annual jab. . If I want to travel I'll have to do as I'm told. It's a slippery slope.
Off to Mexico on Wednesday and I guess the definition of fully jabbed will be changed to 3 soon and I can see it being a regular thing going forward where you'll need an annual jab. . If I want to travel I'll have to do as I'm told. It's a slippery slope.
Ormergod
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Harvard study here showing the higher the vaccination rate,the higher the excess mortality is.
Study translated from German PDF - https://www.skirsch.com/covid/GermanAnalysis.pdf
Original study (In German only) - https://www.utebergner.de/cms/wp-co...ersterblichkeit-KW-36-bis-40-in-2021-003.docx
Heres another.
Vaccinated people in England under 60 years old are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people in England under the age of 60.
The brown line represents weekly deaths from all causes of vaccinated people aged 10-59, per 100,000 people.
The blue line represents weekly deaths from all causes of unvaccinated people per 100,000 in the same age range.
Vaccinated people under 60 are twice as likely to die as unvaccinated people. And overall deaths in Britain are running well above normal.
This is ONS data and the dataset used for this can be found here (see table 4) - https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland
Study translated from German PDF - https://www.skirsch.com/covid/GermanAnalysis.pdf
Original study (In German only) - https://www.utebergner.de/cms/wp-co...ersterblichkeit-KW-36-bis-40-in-2021-003.docx
Heres another.
Vaccinated people in England under 60 years old are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people in England under the age of 60.
The brown line represents weekly deaths from all causes of vaccinated people aged 10-59, per 100,000 people.
The blue line represents weekly deaths from all causes of unvaccinated people per 100,000 in the same age range.
Vaccinated people under 60 are twice as likely to die as unvaccinated people. And overall deaths in Britain are running well above normal.
This is ONS data and the dataset used for this can be found here (see table 4) - https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland
Cheesyleps
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Very quickly becoming obvious that the vaccine is killing people in the long term.Harvard study here showing the higher the vaccination rate,the higher the excess mortality is.
Study translated from German PDF - https://www.skirsch.com/covid/GermanAnalysis.pdf
Original study (In German only) - https://www.utebergner.de/cms/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Übersterblichkeit-KW-36-bis-40-in-2021-003.docx
Heres another.
Vaccinated people in England under 60 years old are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people in England under the age of 60.
The brown line represents weekly deaths from all causes of vaccinated people aged 10-59, per 100,000 people.
The blue line represents weekly deaths from all causes of unvaccinated people per 100,000 in the same age range.
Vaccinated people under 60 are twice as likely to die as unvaccinated people. And overall deaths in Britain are running well above normal.
This is ONS data and the dataset used for this can be found here (see table 4) - https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland
Lost Seasider
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I see that Emperor von der Leyen is weighing in on the matter now: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...datory-vaccination-says-ursula-von-der-leyen/
The European Union must consider mandatory vaccination to tackle the spread of the “highly contagious” omicron variant, Ursula von der Leyen, the European Commission’s president, has said.
The European Union must consider mandatory vaccination to tackle the spread of the “highly contagious” omicron variant, Ursula von der Leyen, the European Commission’s president, has said.