I see that Austria might introduce compulsory jabs.
Should we do it here?
Similar for me...both my second jab and the booster left me feeling quite ill...so definitely like to think it must be because I do a lot of sport etcThe Covid jabs left me feeling grotty for a few days. I’m sure I read something around it affecting people more who were active or had strong reactive immune systems?
If true, I want my booster straight after New Year
Usual arguments I hear Dave are:I fail to understand why people won't have the jabs.
Every day they must see the numbers of people who are dying or being very poorly, also people who have had the jab, caught the virus in a mild attack, and recovered quickly.
What are they afraid of?
No problems at all from MrsDP and I, no after effects from the 3 we've had.
Chunky, you missed 'I'm afraid of the pain in having a needle in my arm,'.Usual arguments I hear Dave are:
1. Wasn’t tested long enough (despite global eminent medical scientists in every country all peer reviewing and saying it’s been done correctly)
2. Don’t know what the long term effect will be (unlike catching Covid unvaccinated which has a short term death effect)
3 Can cause infertility (despite medical science proving otherwise and babies being born since vaccination, plus the death caused by Covid being quite effective contraception)
4. Don’t want to poison their bodies (alcohol, vaping, processed food etc are all fine though)
5. I’m a Complete selfish fuck that has no concern for anyone else and the NHS needs to treat me if I’m wrong and catch Covid (actually I’ve never heard this argument yet but it’s implied!)
Two billion people have had the Astra Zeneca jab. How big a test sample do these tin foil hat wearers need?Usual arguments I hear Dave are:
1. Wasn’t tested long enough (despite global eminent medical scientists in every country all peer reviewing and saying it’s been done correctly)
2. Don’t know what the long term effect will be (unlike catching Covid unvaccinated which has a short term death effect)
3 Can cause infertility (despite medical science proving otherwise and babies being born since vaccination, plus the death caused by Covid being quite effective contraception)
4. Don’t want to poison their bodies (alcohol, vaping, processed food etc are all fine though)
5. I’m a Complete selfish fuck that has no concern for anyone else and the NHS needs to treat me if I’m wrong and catch Covid (actually I’ve never heard this argument yet but it’s implied!)
Well if the vaccine is a problem, there’s a rather large body of people who will need fixing globally…..Two billion people have had the Astra Zeneca jab. How big a test sample do these tin foil hat wearers need?
The problem with that is that they don’t believe any government figures on adverse reactions.Two billion people have had the Astra Zeneca jab. How big a test sample do these tin foil hat wearers need?
No but if they contract the virus after being offered the jab and get into a critical condition just leave them.I see that Austria might introduce compulsory jabs.
Should we do it here?
Irrespective of jabbed or not I can see passports becoming more and more commonplace.
I agree with you that it won't come here because of that herd immunity aspect.I don't see them coming to England unless something substantial changes, if only because the government have decided that a certain level of infection is desirable and they won't want to change course again.
As for the other home nations I suspect it's more about politics rather than public health, in Wales Labour are desperate for their "we told you so" moment where they can pretend they would've done a better job of managing the pandemic, thus they'll do the opposite of whatever happens in England (circuit-breaker, masks, passports etc) in the hope that something works out for them, in Scotland it's the SNP, 'nuff said.
Shouldn’t do though should it?Passports will concentrate minds of those who don’t want the jab.
And the anti vaxxers would say the same I imagine.Nah, it’s like natural selection…
Get it done, as protection reduces. I caught Covid just before my booster was due at 6 months. My wife and 4 friends had their 2nd vaccination 2 months after me, and didn’t catch Covid at the same gathering. I believe that it’s now being advocated that 5 months between 2nd dose and booster is the optimum period.I'm debating whether I have the booster. How often will this be? Secondly the pfizer jab doesn't appeal to me if AZ was available I'd probably have that.
To work, to shop, be allowed to walk in the park. They will be able to persuade many to get jabbed.I agree with you that it won't come here because of that herd immunity aspect.
When they say it will be mandatory, are they literally going to go round people's houses and inject them? Just can't see it.
Give your head a wobble Davepick. I get your old and vulnerable but just take a look online at the outpouring of disdain to this bullshit across the world. It’s just a massive no no.I see that Austria might introduce compulsory jabs.
Should we do it here?
Mixing the different jabs has shown to give greater protection in tests they have done and they are not generally using AZ for boosters - either Pfizer or Moderna. My wife and I are due our boosters on 1 December and it likely to be the Moderna because that is more plentiful currently. It is likely that there will be a booster programme required every 6 months or so for at least the next couple of yearsI'm debating whether I have the booster. How often will this be? Secondly the pfizer jab doesn't appeal to me if AZ was available I'd probably have that.
It will possibly be like the Flu jab, every year maybe?I'm debating whether I have the booster. How often will this be? Secondly the pfizer jab doesn't appeal to me if AZ was available I'd probably have that.
i have a neice who smokes copious amounts of weed but says im not going to poison my bodyUsual arguments I hear Dave are:
1. Wasn’t tested long enough (despite global eminent medical scientists in every country all peer reviewing and saying it’s been done correctly)
2. Don’t know what the long term effect will be (unlike catching Covid unvaccinated which has a short term death effect)
3 Can cause infertility (despite medical science proving otherwise and babies being born since vaccination, plus the death caused by Covid being quite effective contraception)
4. Don’t want to poison their bodies (alcohol, vaping, processed food etc are all fine though)
5. I’m a Complete selfish fuck that has no concern for anyone else and the NHS needs to treat me if I’m wrong and catch Covid (actually I’ve never heard this argument yet but it’s implied!)
So you'd go for Boris behind a tree with a blow gun or even by hand throwing vaccine darts....Get the unvaccinated darted for me. Had my booster Friday & felt a bit weary yesterday, but it didn't stop me doing anything, fine today.
Boris couldn’t hit a barn door with a shovel. He’d probably take Peppa Pigs eye out.So you'd go for Boris behind a tree with a blow gun or even by hand throwing vaccine darts....
Upto them I guess, depends on how old they are, most young people are at no real risk from the virus at all.Boris couldn’t hit a barn door with a shovel. He’d probably take Peppa Pigs eye out.
No I don’t advocate darting or crop dusting, my point was why would people chose not to get protected.
They're just scared of a little Prick. I thought Adolf Hitler was dead?Two billion people have had the Astra Zeneca jab. How big a test sample do these tin foil hat wearers need?
Very quickly becoming obvious that the vaccine is killing people in the long term.Harvard study here showing the higher the vaccination rate,the higher the excess mortality is.
Study translated from German PDF - https://www.skirsch.com/covid/GermanAnalysis.pdf
Original study (In German only) - https://www.utebergner.de/cms/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Übersterblichkeit-KW-36-bis-40-in-2021-003.docx
Heres another.
Vaccinated people in England under 60 years old are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people in England under the age of 60.
The brown line represents weekly deaths from all causes of vaccinated people aged 10-59, per 100,000 people.
The blue line represents weekly deaths from all causes of unvaccinated people per 100,000 in the same age range.
Vaccinated people under 60 are twice as likely to die as unvaccinated people. And overall deaths in Britain are running well above normal.
This is ONS data and the dataset used for this can be found here (see table 4) - https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland