wizard_wes
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Scrafters reporting some bumper crowds coming up, partly because of away ticket sales - current average is 11,714 - be nice to think we could comfortably get a 12,000 average by the end of the season.
Agree. I'm not a season ticket holder and I personally think £28 is too much for both, especially Forest as its on SkyMaybe Saturday but can't see the next two being bumpers.
Wednesday £28 school night.
Three week Saturday Forrest also £28 and a 12.30ko live on sky.
Think how much you lot saved on NAPM and COVID restrictions.Agree. I'm not a season ticket holder and I personally think £28 is too much for both, especially Forest as its on Sky
What an awful selfish attitudeThink how much you lot saved on NAPM and COVID restrictions.
Some will just make any excuse not to attend.
Try telling Blackpool residents that who in the main are on minimum wage.Think how much you lot saved on NAPM and COVID restrictions.
Some will just make any excuse not to attend.
Saved during Covid restrictions?Think how much you lot saved on NAPM and COVID restrictions.
Some will just make any excuse not to attend.
sheff u will fill their allocation pool but it could be us who don’t take up so wellMaybe Saturday but can't see the next two being bumpers.
Wednesday £28 school night.
Three week Saturday Forrest also £28 and a 12.30ko live on sky.
I had 2 children during NAPM. Did it ever occur to you that people lost their jobs or were furloughed during COVID too?Think how much you lot saved on NAPM and COVID restrictions.
Some will just make any excuse not to attend.
I'm sure that if we got to the Prem, the 150 million or so would cover people like me who simply can't attend every game.They'll be a few of you not bothering turning up when we get back to the Premier league!!
Just to let you know, you can't run a football club on fresh air.
Simon Sadler, as good as he is, won't put matches on for free
You're no different to most folk.I had 2 children during NAPM. Did it ever occur to you that people lost their jobs or were furloughed during COVID too?
I have a young family plus the cost of living is sky rocketing. My wages haven't increased in the last 2 years. That and a bigger mortgage as we had to upsize the house due to our family size growing.
Hope that satisfies your criticism of my excuses not to attend? If not I apologise in advance
It's not just the cost, I've done a few away's this season instead of home's. It's the time too, working around when the missus works. It makes it difficult to attend so no point committing to a season ticket. Sadly my family have all left us and her's still work so getting a sitter is difficult. I just think in a deprived town like Blackpool, £28 is too much. Maybe I'm wrong!You're no different to most folk.
We've all got massive cost of living increases, mortgages, etc etc. If you were willing to pay £25 then £28 is less than a pint extra, in the whole scheme of things.
I understand your frustrations as I also had two with 11 months between them......then another came along. All I did was worry about money for years.....despite all the worry and upset it caused we still got by.
The thing that really upsets me now is how much time of my kids upbringing was wasted and lost, me worrying and not being the best dad I could be.....
and he the thing is, I needn't have.....as I've learned. 99% of the things we worry about never actually happen....good luck being a dad, it's a rollercoaster but the best rollercoaster you'll ever ride.
It matters not what other clubs chargeExpected a negative response.
Anyone would think the club is ripping off the fans!
They made a loss of £5 million and now have a higher wage bill.
It is a category A game.
I am sure other clubs do the same.
Well if we ever get back into the Premier League, don’t go to away games!
I haven't for one second said the club is ripping of fans. I just said it's a little pricey for Blackpool as a town with a lot of problems. If it wasn't we'd not be struggling for 12k fans. We got better attendances when the O's did the ST deals. More bums on seats = more revenue generated on a match day.Expected a negative response.
Anyone would think the club is ripping off the fans!
They made a loss of £5 million and now have a higher wage bill.
It is a category A game.
I am sure other clubs do the same.
Well if we ever get back into the Premier League, don’t go to away games!
You do realise you talking to mostly ST holders and hardcore on here who will attend most or all games.Think how much you lot saved on NAPM and COVID restrictions.
Some will just make any excuse not to attend.
The clubs loss was more than most of us can afford and much appreciated it was funded, but not fans fault. Most clubs with no crowd income have made massive losses, way bigger than ours.Expected a negative response.
Anyone would think the club is ripping off the fans!
They made a loss of £5 million and now have a higher wage bill.
It is a category A game.
I am sure other clubs do the same.
Well if we ever get back into the Premier League, don’t go to away games!
There's no way Swansea will sellout their allocation.Swansea, Sheff United and Forest will all sell out their allocation, but we may suffer as some fans won’t/can’t turn out out mid week and for the game that’s on Sky.
I understand Swansea have sold about 1600 tickets so far - so a very decent turnout likely (prob 1800+)There's no way Swansea will sellout their allocation.
Sheff Utd and Forest will though.
Don't know why these two aren't given 2 extra blocks like Barnsley and M'Boro were.
.....and DerbyWould have expected SU and Forest as well as Brum to get 3k tickets as they’d sell them
When ST prices were £195 we got more, 1st season of it anyway. If its all priced right more fans will go and its been proven.Can’t really fathom how some think £28 is too much (and it’s not £28 if you buy a ST).
We have a limited size ground, poorly designed concourses and regularly get 80%+ of our useable capacity through the gates. We’re not historically big club in terms of attendances.
Reduce gate prices by £3/£5 and we’re simply not going to see enough extra people through the gate to recoup that cost and we’re not going to see a massive increase in food/drink receipts either.
The fact is we have a very small amount of room to manoeuvre. If you’re PNE, Cardiff, Coventry etc you can charge less as you have 10,000 empty seats most weeks and you can fill them - you then also get a boost from sales on the concourse.
Our club has crap facilities, crap concourses and a massively limited ability to generate funds due to the lack of foresight of the previous regime.
In time it will be sorted I’m sure but that takes money to do so the club need to squeeze every penny they can.
£28 is fair. It’s comparable with most clubs and it’s very generous in my eyes.
And for the sake of £3 I’m sure 99.9% of fans can make that saving somewhere. And if you can’t I’m not sure spending £25 on a match ticket is exactly a priority anyway.
The clubs a business. I want to see it operating when I’m old and grey and hope it will be around long after I’m gone, not just for it to exist in an affordable manner whilst I’m young enough to be able to go.
Yeh, feel your pain.I'm sure that if we got to the Prem, the 150 million or so would cover people like me who simply can't attend every game.
I'm not sure where anyone has asked for games to be free, I and many others feel £28 is too much, especially as Forest is on Sky.
Could it be proof that the majority of Blackpool folk don't give a shit about going to support Blackpool FC on a regular basis?It matters not what other clubs charge
We are talking about Blackpool and the facts our we dont sell out the majority of our home games
We have sold out one all season
That's proof in itself that our pricing policy is wrong
We dont want away fans to have more ticketsThere's no way Swansea will sellout their allocation.
Sheff Utd and Forest will though.
Don't know why these two clubs aren't given 2 extra blocks, just like Barnsley and M'Boro were.
Why do you keep comparing us to other clubsThe fact is the club is where it is. At any given point there’s 3/4 teams in this league who don’t really care about gate receipts as they’re still living off of PP (Bournemouth etc). Then there’s some massive clubs who regularly get 25k gates and sell 10x as many shirts etc who can comfortably outspend us (Forest, Sheffield United, Derby.. in normal times etc). Then there’s clubs with stadiums far bigger than they need who can use a lower pricing structure to increase gates and drive up revenues (Coventry, Cardiff, PNE). You also have clubs with super wealthy owners and therefore bottomless pits of cash reserves to use and abuse (Stoke, QPR, Bristol).
Clubs in the Championship are usually drifting between any of the above groupings. Very few however are in the same boat as us.
The only Championship clubs currently with similar circumstances are Luton (limited captivity, limited resources) and Peterborough (albeit possibly with more capacity and resources).
Because they’re our only real ‘fair’ competition on a financing level we have to be clever, creative and efficient with our money.
£28 is correct in our circumstances in my mind and it hopefully allows us to be competitive despite the massive disadvantage we’re actually at.
Results and on field performances as well as the recent accounts and attendance figures would suggest the clubs got it spot on.
We have come a long way since the days when a 5K attendance was considered wow!Why do you keep comparing us to other clubs
There really is no comparison whatsoever
We are unique in that our recent history is completely different to anybody else in this division. We are now Oystons free, we have a massive feelgood factor around the ground, yet we can't sell out our tickets
We are also unique in that we are a seasonal town with a seasonal workforce
We also have a below average annual salary
3,000 empty seats every match in a stadium our size isn't great and more needs to be done next season to fill the seats
Empty seats earn the club nothing, nowt, not a penny, fuck all ......
In todays world £3 is pennies Can barely get a pint of beer for that . I'm sure people do draw a line based on price but If you are going to footy at £25 but not at £28 I'd politely suggest that maybe the £25 could be better spent & are you right prioritising football over other things ?£28 is a lot more than £25 (12%) and substantially more than £22 (27%).
Whether it’s value or not, I’ve no idea, but the idea that it has no significance is total rubbish.
The crowds now are about the same as last time we were in the ChampionshipWe have come a long way since the days when a 5K attendance was considered wow!
The only boy in the class at a Blackpool school supporting his local team.
Mocked for supporting Pool.
We have never had high attendances and several games in Premiership season were not sellouts.
The club is doing a lot behind the scenes and I know they are giving away replica shirts to young kids in the schools and free tickets too.
We are not 3000 short as part of the East is restricted. More like a 1000.
Just look at the young supporters at our club now and I am sure the club are going in the right direction.
Last time in the championship koko was selling season tickets for £200.The crowds now are about the same as last time we were in the Championship
We now have a better owner and we are Oyston free yet we don't have any more fans
If you don't think its price related then what is it?
Covid killed off 60% of the Westies?The crowds now are about the same as last time we were in the Championship
We now have a better owner and we are Oyston free yet we don't have any more fans
If you don't think its price related then what is it?
28 is too much, its 30 on the day too, too high for Blackpool.Can’t really fathom how some think £28 is too much (and it’s not £28 if you buy a ST).
We have a limited size ground, poorly designed concourses and regularly get 80%+ of our useable capacity through the gates. We’re not historically big club in terms of attendances.
Reduce gate prices by £3/£5 and we’re simply not going to see enough extra people through the gate to recoup that cost and we’re not going to see a massive increase in food/drink receipts either.
The fact is we have a very small amount of room to manoeuvre. If you’re PNE, Cardiff, Coventry etc you can charge less as you have 10,000 empty seats most weeks and you can fill them - you then also get a boost from sales on the concourse.
Our club has crap facilities, crap concourses and a massively limited ability to generate funds due to the lack of foresight of the previous regime.
In time it will be sorted I’m sure but that takes money to do so the club need to squeeze every penny they can.
£28 is fair. It’s comparable with most clubs and it’s very generous in my eyes.
And for the sake of £3 I’m sure 99.9% of fans can make that saving somewhere. And if you can’t I’m not sure spending £25 on a match ticket is exactly a priority anyway.
The clubs a business. I want to see it operating when I’m old and grey and hope it will be around long after I’m gone, not just for it to exist in an affordable manner whilst I’m young enough to be able to go.
the interest outside our core and perhaps 1k more is just not there for us.The crowds now are about the same as last time we were in the Championship
We now have a better owner and we are Oyston free yet we don't have any more fans
If you don't think its price related then what is it?
People also have an upper limit what they'll pay for things.28 is too much, its 30 on the day too, too high for Blackpool.
People say its only a few quid here or there but it does matter, that's why 1.99 items sell more than 2 quid.
Perception and over time it also adds up with a few quid here and there.
As someone said it could be 31, 'it's only 3 quid more that 28'....
QPR game live on sky, 20 quid, we maintained the usual numbers, if it was 28 we wouldn't have. Given a lot of exiles won't have bothered it means more locals took in the game. Price is a factor.
We should at least try for 1 game, a big game and see what effect it has.
If we cant sell the east then its a poor do, I dont see why our own fans aren't allowed in the east and away fans let out for 1 game onto BR, they end up round there anyway, if they opened the ne gate it would be fine.
Let's be honest it started off with a structured dialogue meeting in which the club said no plans to put home fans in the East. Thats was the mistake, fail to prepare and prepare to fail. A simple temp portaloos and a burger van or 2 would have done.
Were now in a situation where were being either dictated to by the police or being a but soft on putting our foot down on what we want to do. Home fans in the NE should be doable, open the gate to the north and police the south area properly.
As for enough extra people to make up for the loss of charging less I did a quick calculation on a thread a while back and you can make similar with only a modest increase of maybe 400-500 people
Should the club drop cat pricing next season?
Or get rid of the on the day charge? Or both.... To me to grow the fanbase we have to be more competitive with pricing. 28 quid for the big games is too high and 30 on the day, with only previous purchase history anyway, is not going to help attract the extra fans. If we dropped the on the...avftt.co.uk
Also don't forget we missed out on the usual promotion bounce, bumper playoff crowd and 30k to Wembley. We haven't had a chance to make that up in a big game. The pne game was full whack, only 800 seats extra in the east and previous purchase history only, with stories of people not able to buy.
We should do a deal at least to see just how much price affects things. Gives us some valuable data.
We cant keep blaming the east, yes you cant throw up a stand, but we've had enough time to at least make sure we get the most from what we have. If qere waiting for the council and compulsory purchases and demolitions before we even start the new East we could be having these issues for many years yet.
They are in the schools etc and handing out kits from what i've read . I agree more should be done via social media etc to advertise each home game maybe a 1st time buyer discount . Are fixture calendars handed out to hotels and B&Bs ?The question is-
What’s the Club doing to get additional bums on seats? We have ST holders and regular attendees but what else is the Club doing to maximise home attendance?
I’m struggling to see.
Checked the Club Twitter feed from Sunday, this weeks game ticket prices, shout out to people to get a ticket not even mentioned but if your dog wants some clothes they’ll tell you about it or fancy hospitality or the Heineken Lounge they’ll tell you about it.
It’s a poor doo.
We don’t sell out at home or have close to since Rovers or Knobbers, the Club needs to do more surely?
It is and can be, as said we missed the normal promotion playoff sell out and 30k to Wembley, some of those casuals then go onto buy the following season.the interest outside our core and perhaps 1k more is just not there for us.
You could literally apply that argument to anything… If a Tin of beans were to increase by three quid it’s a fortune… if your house price went up from £500K by £3 it’s not so big a deal.In todays world £3 is pennies Can barely get a pint of beer for that . I'm sure people do draw a line based on price but If you are going to footy at £25 but not at £28 I'd politely suggest that maybe the £25 could be better spent & are you right prioritising football over other things ?
Of course over 21 games or whatever it is it adds up to 60+ quid so you just attend 2-3 fewer games .
Its a difficult balance between attracting STHs & the matchday offer . If we are going to kid specials can we please put them in one area (SE corner East Stand(North))
The kit initiative was great to give out kits (that then went out of stock), but then it relied on people who don’t actually support Blackpool or might not even like football then persuading their family to fork out full prices for tickets.They are in the schools etc and handing out kits from what i've read . I agree more should be done via social media etc to advertise each home game maybe a 1st time buyer discount . Are fixture calendars handed out to hotels and B&Bs ?
I was the same but we can't keep pretending we are a small club with only 5000 just because that's what happened in the 90's. As someone who didn't have a ST in the Prem I can 100% tell you every home match was sold out, what the overspill would have been who knows as were limited due to stadium capacity. Phil is right we are short of 3000, 2400 in the East Stand(north section) 660 in the SE corner and 250 at the bottom of the North stand. Give away fans the south part of the east including some of the SE corner. Then put pool fans in the North part of the east stand and do some deals, we probably wouldn't sell it but we'd get an extra 1000 in there as they want to be near the North Stand atmosphere. Every other weekend on facebook and twitter we can see people are desperate to get tickets for the North Stand but can't and a fair few, rightly or wrongly, won't buy £28 tickets in Blocks X and Y coz it's a shit atmosphere. It's such a simple solution. TBH not getting over 10,000 home fans in the championship is poor.We have come a long way since the days when a 5K attendance was considered wow!
The only boy in the class at a Blackpool school supporting his local team.
Mocked for supporting Pool.
We have never had high attendances and several games in Premiership season were not sellouts.
The club is doing a lot behind the scenes and I know they are giving away replica shirts to young kids in the schools and free tickets too.
We are not 3000 short as part of the East is restricted. More like a 1000.
Just look at the young supporters at our club now and I am sure the club are going in the right direction.
100s if not 1000s of them that went as the 30k have never been back to Bloomfield since or been before. I personally knew about ten that all wore their new blackpool tops and never been seen since, they went for the day out and the novelty value.It is and can be, as said we missed the normal promotion playoff sell out and 30k to Wembley, some of those casuals then go onto buy the following season.
We haven't had a bumper game where they can attend without a high price, limiting purchase history which they might not be on (how far does it go back?), or even capacity to hold them.
What we need is a cheap game or deal, ideally a big game, Forest home would be great. But a focus on home fans not away, fill the NE.
Or ideally if we had a cup run, a big game at home.
No matter which way we dress it up the way we're using the stadium is limiting.
If were stuck in the current setup it'll be like this for years and just when we should be growing whilst the going is good were limited.
We cant just throw a stand up but we have seen the ground full with this very setup before so it can be done.
Yeah it's pretty simple.You could literally apply that argument to anything… If a Tin of beans were to increase by three quid it’s a fortune… if your house price went up from £500K by £3 it’s not so big a deal.
Even if you increase the price by 1 penny at a time, there’s going to come a point where the extra 1 pence is 1 pence too many. So there’s no reason to assume that just because someone can’t afford £28, that they couldn’t afford £25.