How Not to Run a Football Club - Official Discussion Thread

Just finished it, bizarrely seemed to have developed hay fever or something whilst reading the epilogue, the Derek Spence stuff In particular. Think the final few lines will be so relatable for so many people. The Oyston‘s never grasped how important a football club was to so many people, a Saturday afternoon ritual they deprived us of for far too long. A great read 👍🏻
 
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You talk about the away goals counting for more in the semi against Forest.

I thought that rule changed in 1999/2000 ish removing any advantage for away goals??

@foggy

Not that it mattered in the big scheme of things 👍
 
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You talk about the away goals counting for more in the semi against Forest.

I thought that rule changed in 1999/2000 ish removing any advantage for away goals??

@foggy

Not that it mattered in the big scheme of things 👍
You're right it doesn't. I think I was presuming that's what Billy Davies' meant when he was saying 'job done, you won't score at our place', but I'm giving him too much credit. I'm kicking myself, because I remember thinking during writing that I didn't remember panicking when Earnshaw scored early for them to go 1-0 up, but it was over a decade ago I presumed I'd just forgot.
 
You're right it doesn't. I think I was presuming that's what Billy Davies' meant when he was saying 'job done, you won't score at our place', but I'm giving him too much credit. I'm kicking myself, because I remember thinking during writing that I didn't remember panicking when Earnshaw scored early for them to go 1-0 up, but it was over a decade ago I presumed I'd just forgot.
A bit of a story about that game that came from a good friend who was a senior player at Cardiff at that time.

The Cardiff team got together to watch the NF v BFC game and could not believe how well we played, they were actually frightened of meeting us in the final - in his words.....

"We lost that final before we went on the pitch for a number of reasons.

1 Our belief had taken a kicking and we feared the worst, your movement was incredible against NF and we simply didn't know how to deal with it
2 A certain striker insisted he played, and forced the issue even though people knew he was not fully fit
3 Tactically we (Cardiff) were not very good or well drilled, and the team was set up wrongly to deal with you"

To say he is bitter about that games is an understatement, as it cost well him over £1m pound in a contract rise that was guaranteed if they went up.

He also said "it was the lowest he had ever felt in football when the final whistle went" - I had to point out it was my best moment in football 😎
 
A bit of a story about that game that came from a good friend who was a senior player at Cardiff at that time.

The Cardiff team got together to watch the NF v BFC game and could not believe how well we played, they were actually frightened of meeting us in the final - in his words.....

"We lost that final before we went on the pitch for a number of reasons.

1 Our belief had taken a kicking and we feared the worst, your movement was incredible against NF and we simply didn't know how to deal with it
2 A certain striker insisted he played, and forced the issue even though people knew he was not fully fit
3 Tactically we (Cardiff) were not very good or well drilled, and the team was set up wrongly to deal with you"

To say he is bitter about that games is an understatement, as it cost well him over £1m pound in a contract rise that was guaranteed if they went up.

He also said "it was the lowest he had ever felt in football when the final whistle went" - I had to point out it was my best moment in football 😎
Wow, interesting tidbit that. Not at all surprising though, I think any team should have been rightly worries after seeing our performance against Forest. Although Cardiff could have caused us some real problems with a full fit Bothroyd.

That being said, English football was in an era where 4-5-1 had an inherent advantage over 4-4-2 because of the extra man in the middle, and managers employing the latter weren't tactically sophisticated enough to make it flexible. Bothroyd/Chopra were never going to track back and have one sit in the middle out of possession, and their centre backs couldnt step into midfield like ours could.
 
Perhaps now I might recall one small episode of my own regarding Karl Oyston.
I was very bitter about the man, his hubris and the way he was letting things crumble. When he began suing fans I e-mailed him with some choice words. I didn't get a response - I wasn't expecting to. Then I reflected on the language that I'd used and mailed him again. This time stating that whilst I still had concerns over his management of the club I shouldn't have used the language that I had and that this was not my usual way of addressing people. This time Karl replied directly. He invited me up to the Club to see all of the distasteful correspondence he had received so that I might better understand his actions. I mulled this over and decided against accepting the invitation - I didn't respond to it. I thought there was a chance that he might use the occasion to announce that he had shown this stuff 'to fans who had been as appalled as he had been.' I wasn't going to allow myself to be his patsy.
After reading this book I'm glad I kept myself at arm's length.
 
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Yes there was a character from memory called Badabing who kept shouting out every few minutes and trying to come across as an urban warrior and he completely ruined the whole thing SPS. He put the cause back several steps they say and received a sound thrashing outside afterwards from the BST Top Table. I assume that is in Foggy’s book but I haven’t got a copy to check.
🤣
 
Colin Murray is a legend and one football commentator I have utmost respect for. Believe Quest lost the rights on non Prem match highlights, he should be headhunted
I think the ITV franchise has won it. If they don't employ Murray as the main presenter that would be very foolish.
 
Perhaps now I might recall one small episode of my own regarding Karl Oyston.
I was very bitter about the man, his hubris and the way he was letting things crumble. When he began suing fans I e-mailed him with some choice words. I didn't get a response - I wasn't expecting to. Then I reflected on the language that I'd used and mailed him again. This time stating that whilst I still had concerns over his management of the club I shouldn't have used the language that I had and that this was not my usual way of addressing people. This time Karl replied directly. He invited me up to the Club to see all of the distasteful correspondence he had received so that I might better understand his actions. I mulled this over and decided against accepting the invitation - I didn't respond to it. I thought there was a chance that he might use the occasion to announce that he had shown this stuff 'to fans who had been as appalled as he had been.' I wasn't going to allow myself to be his patsy.
After reading this book I'm glad I kept myself at arm's length.
I had to sit through reading all that when I went up to the infamous penthouse to try to stop the suing
 
Owens offer to Jose Riga of an alternative career should it not work out left me in stitches.
I did wonder where that had come from and whether it was just something Karl might have made up for a laugh.

In fairness he did have that ‘Catalogue Model’ look about him, but Owen must have been off his head if he really said that.

It’s funny of course, but remarkably weird at the same time.
 
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I did wonder where that had come from and whether it was just something smart might have made up for a laugh.

In fairness he did have that ‘Catalogue Model’ look about him, but Owen must have been off his head if he really said that.

It’s funny of course, but remarkably weird at the same time.
Jose Riga told me. No, it wasn't made up for a laugh. He was quite confused about it. But overall didn't have much bad to say about Owen, who he would only really see at the hotel restaurant drinking red wine.
 
Jose Riga told me. No, it wasn't made up for a laugh. He was quite confused about it. But overall didn't have much bad to say about Owen, who he would only really see at the hotel restaurant drinking red wine.
I can imagine he was confused, it’s a pretty weird thing to say to a professional football manager. Hilarious by the way…

Edit: (I meant to say Karl had made up for a laugh, not ‘smart’ … )
 
I did wonder where that had come from and whether it was just something smart might have made up for a laugh.

In fairness he did have that ‘Catalogue Model’ look about him, but Owen must have been off his head if he really said that.

It’s funny of course, but remarkably weird at the same time.
I met Jose not long after he was appointed. (Me and Insiderson have a selfie with him ☺️ ). We were in Rowleys and it was during the World Cup and Cubero was playing. Even at that stage it was clear all was not well because he refused to identify his No. 2, the one who never got paid. Owen was in the background with 6 young women for company.
 
A bit of a story about that game that came from a good friend who was a senior player at Cardiff at that time.

The Cardiff team got together to watch the NF v BFC game and could not believe how well we played, they were actually frightened of meeting us in the final - in his words.....

"We lost that final before we went on the pitch for a number of reasons.

1 Our belief had taken a kicking and we feared the worst, your movement was incredible against NF and we simply didn't know how to deal with it
2 A certain striker insisted he played, and forced the issue even though people knew he was not fully fit
3 Tactically we (Cardiff) were not very good or well drilled, and the team was set up wrongly to deal with you"

To say he is bitter about that games is an understatement, as it cost well him over £1m pound in a contract rise that was guaranteed if they went up.

He also said "it was the lowest he had ever felt in football when the final whistle went" - I had to point out it was my best moment in football 😎
I can remember saying to my son he seemed to become less and less confident as the match went on about winning even though they went 1-0 up.
 
Just got my copy delivered by Amazon - thought there would be a full chapter on the mushrooms 😃

Time to start reading 👍
 
Having finished the book last night and leaving a quick comment - it was very late - I was looking forward to reading through this thread to see what had interested people. There's some good stuff but, unfortunately, a few posters have treated it as an exercise in auditing a set of minutes: "he didn't say this, that wasn't their idea". It's such a shame because I think Foggy's done an excellent job and he deserves some pats on the back, positive criticism and suggestions for what he might have added, edited or omitted. At times, though, it has felt like trying to work out who's the Judean People's Front and who's the Peoples' Front of Judea.

This is a book, written and presented for general sale. It must, therefore, appeal to football fans beyond the Fylde Coast. The last thing it needs to be is a who's who of boycott activists supporting Blackpool.

Neither do I think it is just a casual reader designed to entertain. Football governance is, (quite correctly), high profile at the moment. This book provides a fairly detailed account of the improper behaviour of one club's owners, their hubris, their bullying and ultimately, their downfall. It also shows how a well-organised and well led group of, otherwise, disparate supporters can raise the profile of these goings on beyond the back page of the local evening paper. I would go as far as to say that no football administrator at the EFL, FA and the EPL should be allowed to pass their probation without reading it.
 
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The book arrived yesterday afternoon, I've just finished it and found it an excellent read.
I thought the short section about Appleton was informative, but I think the 2nd half of the book was even better than the first, I hadn't fully understood the extent of the financial "transactions" leading up to Judge Smith's judgement until reading this, nor the details behind the suing of fans. My favourite paragraph in the book is on page 172.

... But now they were known and despised all around the world. And they brought it all upon themselves
👍 👏
 
The book arrived yesterday afternoon, I've just finished it and found it an excellent read.
I thought the short section about Appleton was informative, but I think the 2nd half of the book was even better than the first, I hadn't fully understood the extent of the financial "transactions" leading up to Judge Smith's judgement until reading this, nor the details behind the suing of fans. My favourite paragraph in the book is on page 172.

... But now they were known and despised all around the world. And they brought it all upon themselves
👍 👏
Which could only be improved by the addition of ….the bunch of c( )unts that they are!
 
Has Phil found that list of usernames wanted by the O's, think a poster used to post it occasionally (north east supporter), my old username was on it but as I post annon I never recieved any harrasment.
Why did back henrt st get asked for names and not avftt or did they.
 
Has Phil found that list of usernames wanted by the O's, think a poster used to post it occasionally (north east supporter), my old username was on it but as I post annon I never recieved any harrasment.
Why did back henrt st get asked for names and not avftt or did they.
I am pretty sure AVFTT did and refused.
 
So why didnt they get papers, quite a lot of stuff was kept up.
I don't think there was any legal basis to supply the data, hence no legal papers.

The law would also be on the side of not providing the data and without a court order, it would have probably been against the DPA.
 
I couldn't wait until the Easter holidays and have just finished it.

Nathan, it's an absolutely majestic record of an extraordinary period. Very well done and thank you for documenting it.

There were loads of things I'd forgotten in the midsts of time, such as the text exchanges between KO and fans. Their hubris was their downfall, now they're like rats in a sack turning on each other. How's the never-ending revenge mission going now, Karl? 😂

Well done to all of us who boycotted, to Marcus Smith. I'm most pleased for the fans who were sued though. I'm delighted for them that they can watch and support a normal club again.
 
AVFTT got in touch with the people on the ‘list’ to ask permission to delete certain posts, and provide details of the Oyston ‘allegations’.

They didn’t give out any personal info and were really helpful 👍👍
When have they needed permission to delete posts. Maybe they asked certain users if they could pass on their information to the O's. I presume everyone said no.
 
When have they needed permission to delete posts. Maybe they asked certain users if they could pass on their information to the O's. I presume everyone said no.
They certainly didn’t ask me about passing on my details to the Oystons. They just sent me a copy of the allegation and asked if I was happy for them to delete the relevant posts.

The poster info that they did get hold of did not come from AVFTT.
 
Mrs Insiderson has just finished the book. The only negative ish comment she had was that she thought Lady Christine of Seddon (maybe) could have got a bit more credit.
I daren't disagree with that.
When "times were 'ard" Christine's was a very eloquent voice.
 
They certainly didn’t ask me about passing on my details to the Oystons. They just sent me a copy of the allegation and asked if I was happy for them to delete the relevant posts.

The poster info that they did get hold of did not come from AVFTT.
No it came from their litigation squad who were trawling socials all day
Some of the allegations I faced related to facebook posts that were from before I took over the chair role at SISA
There were loads of avftt usernames on the list but many were just that as they didn't have any idea who they were
 
A bit of a story about that game that came from a good friend who was a senior player at Cardiff at that time.

The Cardiff team got together to watch the NF v BFC game and could not believe how well we played, they were actually frightened of meeting us in the final - in his words.....

"We lost that final before we went on the pitch for a number of reasons.

1 Our belief had taken a kicking and we feared the worst, your movement was incredible against NF and we simply didn't know how to deal with it
2 A certain striker insisted he played, and forced the issue even though people knew he was not fully fit
3 Tactically we (Cardiff) were not very good or well drilled, and the team was set up wrongly to deal with you"

To say he is bitter about that games is an understatement, as it cost well him over £1m pound in a contract rise that was guaranteed if they went up.

He also said "it was the lowest he had ever felt in football when the final whistle went" - I had to point out it was my best moment in football 😎
If that's true about the player insisting - I assume Bothroyd, and I have no reason to suspect you of fabrication - then Jones comes across as weak, allowing him to start.
 
I've been popping in and out of this thread since it started and is just completed reading this book.

My only issue is the word 'gotten' - I find it hard to read as was taught it's not a real word (time has changed maybe?)

Now to the substance.

For what it's worth, I wasn't overly worried about how the Oyston's ran their business - including the club for the most part - and stuff like agents fees I was in complete agreement with.

I became NAPM after the first "apology" was written on old AVFTT. I thought it was dispicable behaviour. And my dislike for the previous owners grew with every next lowering of the bar.

Me and my boys attended Judgement Days and a couple of the protests but I have/had zero inside information and got everything off AVFTT so can't add anything to the narrative.

I finished reading with one tear rolling down my cheek as Derek Spence was recognised.

250 pages to capture a decade is not easy and I think it's a good read.

I'm glad my boys both have a copy; as it's a story for the ages.

Thanks for writing it for us @foggy; it's a fine effort 👍

We won!
 
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Just finished it... superb.. loved it.

Still think someone like netflicks could turn this into a film.. the football World wouldn't believe it

But well done foggy... Great stuff 👏
If it were made into a film I'd love it to be done as a farce. None of this gritty realism.
 
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