Are we skint?

Philbfctrois

Philbfctrois

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Or is SS not wanting to spend his money

Apparently loads of offers for players have been made ....and refused and even in the rare case they had been accepted its been hard to agree terms with our league one budget

Missed out on Drinkwater, looking like a pay as you play deal for Bridcutt is on the table instead, they aren’t even close in terms of ability

Couldn't agree terms with several contracted players even when fees had been agreed , Or players like the Rotherham midfielder just not fancying it preferring to stay at fcuking Rotherham

Had to make do with paying a wage percentages for young loan players instead, that goes against the policy that Bullshit was banging on about signing young players with sell on values whilst having a defined transfer policy and structure

Lets not forget it doesn't matter if a manager leaves the strategy remains the same

Bullshit ......

Struggling to agree terms with players who don't even have clubs now

Meanwhile its looking like Fabian Delph is signing for Wigan on a free, whilst we are scratching around with Dougall and Connolly in midfield struggling to pass the ball to players in the same colour shirt

Maybe a call to Riga should be on the cards, be nice to have some of that 30 odd million that left the club available again, I'm sure uncle Val would help out the club he loves ❤

Maybe its the Hong Kong problems or the banking issues but however you dress it up its a bit weird buying a football club then not wanting to properly invest in it, especially as we are now a Championship club just one promotion away from the riches of the Premier league.

Where is the ambition? What is the ambition?

It really wouldn't have taken much to get us competing at the top end this season, i honestly don't think the league is all that, but the transfer window has kiboshed that ambition.

The Bowler deal is looking worse and worse everytime we take the pitch without him. We should have really just kept him for the season instead of selling him for a pittance.

Even clubs like the Nobbers, Coventry and Rovers have managed to keep their better players, Brereton Diaz also only has a year left btw.

The club is being run like a league one club in terms of finance on the pitch whilst every effort is made in trying to rinse every last penny out of our loyal fanbase off it.

There is only so much 8,000 people can spend

We still have an untapped potential support but the ticket price rises have seen to that, very few fans now buy match day tickets, less than a hundred according to the bloke in the ticket office when i asked at the Bristol City game.

Thats poor however you dress it up given we have thousands of empty seats in a relatively small stadium.

Ahhhh the East stand and Training ground you say? ....Never in a month of Sundays will 40 million be spent on that and its still unclear how that would be financed even if it did miraculously happen.

All my opinion btw whilst our new head coach is getting slaughtered from every corner for losing 2 away games on the bounce with a patched up side

Utp ....

The fcuking mighty
 
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I cannot really fault any of that OP.

All the pomp and fanfare seems to have eroded in the space of a season. What I don't get is how Critchley was bringing in players carte blanche during his time yet all of a sudden we cannot sign anyone and we are told we are club with a small budget.

Something has certainly changed for the worse. Not much point being in the Championship if we are not going to try and compete. Then again the way things are going we will be back in League 1 next season. Maybe this is our natural level after all.
 
Macseasider said:
I cannot really fault any of that OP.

All the pomp and fanfare seems to have eroded in the space of a season. What I don't get is how Critchley was bringing in players carte blanche during his time yet all of a sudden we cannot sign anyone and we are told we are club with a small budget.

Something has certainly changed for the worse. Not much point being in the Championship if we are not going to try and compete. Then again the way things are going we will be back in League 1 next season. Maybe this is our natural level after all.
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Apparently the budget is higher
 
Macseasider said:
I cannot really fault any of that OP.

All the pomp and fanfare seems to have eroded in the space of a season. What I don't get is how Critchley was bringing in players carte blanche during his time yet all of a sudden we cannot sign anyone and we are told we are club with a small budget.

Something has certainly changed for the worse. Not much point being in the Championship if we are not going to try and compete. Then again the way things are going we will be back in League 1 next season. Maybe this is our natural level after all.
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Problem as far as I can see is that we signed for example Dale to replace Lubala and now loans to replace Dale. Progress? Not when all 3 are on the wage bill. 3 ( part or full) wages for 1 position. That seems to be the mentality.

I think the saying pay peanuts and try to replace the monkeys which nobody wants full time means you pay for 2 lots of monkeys.

Now the NO VACANCIES sign unless on L1 wages is firmly in the front window.
 
Macseasider said:
I cannot really fault any of that OP.

All the pomp and fanfare seems to have eroded in the space of a season. What I don't get is how Critchley was bringing in players carte blanche during his time yet all of a sudden we cannot sign anyone and we are told we are club with a small budget.

Something has certainly changed for the worse. Not much point being in the Championship if we are not going to try and compete. Then again the way things are going we will be back in League 1 next season. Maybe this is our natural level after all.
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Issues with Bank Of America and Segantii were reported a while back, weren’t they?

I don’t think SS is the saviour at all. I think we should all be preparing to be, somewhat, of a yo-yo club between the championship and League One. SS isn’t willing to invest in the on field structure.. seems more investment is being used to build the clubs assets.. Which always add to the price of a football club, don’t they?

Make of that what you please.
 
Too quick to turn some fans. Unbelievable rant at the beginning of this page. Get a grip mate we are up against very big football clubs which hale from big city’s, which equals bigger fan bases. We have to have a financial structure or we will go under and be docked points. People just want chairmen to be like the oil club Man City it’s never going to happen. We have to get behind the club and look at the longer term bigger picture. To be honest mate I think your rant is bang out of order.
 
RP North Stand said:
Too quick to turn some fans. Unbelievable rant at the beginning of this page. Get a grip mate we are up against very big football clubs which hale from big city’s, which equals bigger fan bases. We have to have a financial structure or we will go under and be docked points. People just want chairmen to be like the oil club Man City it’s never going to happen. We have to get behind the club and look at the longer term bigger picture. To be honest mate I think your rant is bang out of order.
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What about the lies told to paying customers by the club, is that bang out of order?
 
I know nothing about high finance, nor asset management or block buying or anything else of that ilk. All I have is a couple of questions, why are we suddenly operating on a shoestring? and what has happened to as soon as permission is approved on the training ground there will be “ spades in the ground” It must be very hard ground because those spades are having trouble breaking the first sod.🤷
 
Voice of Reason said:
From Div 1 under the Oyscums to the Championship with plans for a new training ground and redevelopment of the ground.

Where DID it all go wrong?

Come on chums! Sharpen dem knives.
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Well.. if we’re talking plans.. Oyston had plans for a training ground on Wyndyke Farm, so you can’t hold SS in higher regard than him due to “training ground plans”.
 
Goforgoal said:
I know nothing about high finance, nor asset management or block buying or anything else of that ilk. All I have is a couple of questions, why are we suddenly operating on a shoestring? and what has happened to as soon as permission is approved on the training ground there will be “ spades in the ground” It must be very hard ground because those spades are having trouble breaking the first sod.🤷
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We are operating on the same level when we were in league one and championship with Critch. We had a pandemic the club lost minimum £4 million. That is not sustainable. Got people moaning about £10 increase to season tickets then in the same breath telling Sadler to blow all his hard earned money. ** deluded some people and need a reality check. Stop moaning and blowing things out of proportion and get behind the club.
 
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Macseasider said:
I cannot really fault any of that OP.

All the pomp and fanfare seems to have eroded in the space of a season. What I don't get is how Critchley was bringing in players carte blanche during his time yet all of a sudden we cannot sign anyone and we are told we are club with a small budget.

Something has certainly changed for the worse. Not much point being in the Championship if we are not going to try and compete. Then again the way things are going we will be back in League 1 next season. Maybe this is our natural level after all.
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Partly a function of the players already here, I think 16 of last season's squad came up from L1, and two of them went out on loan, so there was scope to bring 10 players in, this season we started with 23, which meant that players had to go out before others could come in, and instead of trying to build a squad we're looking at trying to improve on what we've already got, which is obviously harder.

I think supply has possibly dried up as well, possibly a knock on from Covid, and there's more competition for the players that are available, the likes of Ebou Adams going to Cardiff for example, which is leading clubs to inflate the values of players they do have under contract.
 
KhonKaenSeasider said:
Make of this, what you will.....Segantii

or this.... More of the same
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This is from last week, so not too alarmist: Segantii Capital Management Ltd boosted its position in shares of Bausch Health Companies by 281.3% during the 2nd quarter. Segantii Capital Management Ltd now owns 5,700,000 shares of the company's stock valued at $47,652,000 after purchasing an additional 4,205,000 shares in the last quarter
 
Lost Seasider said:
Partly a function of the players already here, I think 16 of last season's squad came up from L1, and two of them went out on loan, so there was scope to bring 10 players in, this season we started with 23, which meant that players had to go out before others could come in, and instead of trying to build a squad we're looking at trying to improve on what we've already got, which is obviously harder.

I think supply has possibly dried up as well, possibly a knock on from Covid, and there's more competition for the players that are available, the likes of Ebou Adams going to Cardiff for example, which is leading clubs to inflate the values of players they do have under contract.
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Not forgetting the rules on European players has being tightened you only have to see the Diago Costa fiasco with Wolves to see that.

You want a player from outside the UK they've have to had international caps etc that's bound to inflate our domestic market.
 
RP North Stand said:
We are operating on the same level when we were in league one and championship with Critch. We had a pandemic the club lost minimum £4 million. That is not sustainable. Got people moaning about £10 increase to season tickets then in the same breath telling Sadler to blow all his hard earned money. ** deluded some people and need a reality check. Stop moaning and blowing things out of proportion and get behind the club.
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Oh, I’m glad you sorted that out for me. And here was I masquerading under the illusion that every other club suffered under the pandemic, when all the time it was only BFC, thanks for putting me straight.👍
 
Philbfctrois said:
Or is SS not wanting to spend his money

Apparently loads of offers for players have been made ....and refused and even in the rare case they had been accepted its been hard to agree terms with our league one budget

Missed out on Drinkwater, looking like a pay as you play deal for Bridcutt is on the table instead, they aren’t even close in terms of ability

Couldn't agree terms with several contracted players even when fees had been agreed , Or players like the Rotherham midfielder just not fancying it preferring to stay at fcuking Rotherham

Had to make do with paying a wage percentages for young loan players instead, that goes against the policy that Bullshit was banging on about signing young players with sell on values whilst having a defined transfer policy and structure

Lets not forget it doesn't matter if a manager leaves the strategy remains the same

Bullshit ......

Struggling to agree terms with players who don't even have clubs now

Meanwhile its looking like Fabian Delph is signing for Wigan on a free, whilst we are scratching around with Dougall and Connolly in midfield struggling to pass the ball to players in the same colour shirt

Maybe a call to Riga should be on the cards, be nice to have some of that 30 odd million that left the club available again, I'm sure uncle Val would help out the club he loves ❤

Maybe its the Hong Kong problems or the banking issues but however you dress it up its a bit weird buying a football club then not wanting to properly invest in it, especially as we are now a Championship club just one promotion away from the riches of the Premier league.

Where is the ambition? What is the ambition?

It really wouldn't have taken much to get us competing at the top end this season, i honestly don't think the league is all that, but the transfer window has kiboshed that ambition.

The Bowler deal is looking worse and worse everytime we take the pitch without him. We should have really just kept him for the season instead of selling him for a pittance.

Even clubs like the Nobbers, Coventry and Rovers have managed to keep their better players, Brereton Diaz also only has a year left btw.

The club is being run like a league one club in terms of finance on the pitch whilst every effort is made in trying to rinse every last penny out of our loyal fanbase off it.

There is only so much 8,000 people can spend

We still have an untapped potential support but the ticket price rises have seen to that, very few fans now buy match day tickets, less than a hundred according to the bloke in the ticket office when i asked at the Bristol City game.

Thats poor however you dress it up given we have thousands of empty seats in a relatively small stadium.

Ahhhh the East stand and Training ground you say? ....Never in a month of Sundays will 40 million be spent on that and its still unclear how that would be financed even if it did miraculously happen.

All my opinion btw whilst our new head coach is getting slaughtered from every corner for losing 2 away games on the bounce with a patched up side

Utp ....

The fcuking mighty
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Very saddening to read if I'm honest... I have all of the same questions/fears though...

As if Wigan are signing Delph... why are we not bothering to match that?? ** Wigan??? Delph must surely be a more ideal candidate for us than drinky or birdcut? He's definitely played more consistently and at a higher level than the other two have.

We missed out on scully as well who was a target and went to a club that, I would say, we should be more than able to match the contract offer of...

We used to be best of the bargain buyers but it seems we can't even suss out that market anymore...

I just don't know... I'm forever the optimist but yeah...

Just don't know 😕
 
Philbfctrois said:
Or is SS not wanting to spend his money

Apparently loads of offers for players have been made ....and refused and even in the rare case they had been accepted its been hard to agree terms with our league one budget

Missed out on Drinkwater, looking like a pay as you play deal for Bridcutt is on the table instead, they aren’t even close in terms of ability

Couldn't agree terms with several contracted players even when fees had been agreed , Or players like the Rotherham midfielder just not fancying it preferring to stay at fcuking Rotherham

Had to make do with paying a wage percentages for young loan players instead, that goes against the policy that Bullshit was banging on about signing young players with sell on values whilst having a defined transfer policy and structure

Lets not forget it doesn't matter if a manager leaves the strategy remains the same

Bullshit ......

Struggling to agree terms with players who don't even have clubs now

Meanwhile its looking like Fabian Delph is signing for Wigan on a free, whilst we are scratching around with Dougall and Connolly in midfield struggling to pass the ball to players in the same colour shirt

Maybe a call to Riga should be on the cards, be nice to have some of that 30 odd million that left the club available again, I'm sure uncle Val would help out the club he loves ❤

Maybe its the Hong Kong problems or the banking issues but however you dress it up its a bit weird buying a football club then not wanting to properly invest in it, especially as we are now a Championship club just one promotion away from the riches of the Premier league.

Where is the ambition? What is the ambition?

It really wouldn't have taken much to get us competing at the top end this season, i honestly don't think the league is all that, but the transfer window has kiboshed that ambition.

The Bowler deal is looking worse and worse everytime we take the pitch without him. We should have really just kept him for the season instead of selling him for a pittance.

Even clubs like the Nobbers, Coventry and Rovers have managed to keep their better players, Brereton Diaz also only has a year left btw.

The club is being run like a league one club in terms of finance on the pitch whilst every effort is made in trying to rinse every last penny out of our loyal fanbase off it.

There is only so much 8,000 people can spend

We still have an untapped potential support but the ticket price rises have seen to that, very few fans now buy match day tickets, less than a hundred according to the bloke in the ticket office when i asked at the Bristol City game.

Thats poor however you dress it up given we have thousands of empty seats in a relatively small stadium.

Ahhhh the East stand and Training ground you say? ....Never in a month of Sundays will 40 million be spent on that and its still unclear how that would be financed even if it did miraculously happen.

All my opinion btw whilst our new head coach is getting slaughtered from every corner for losing 2 away games on the bounce with a patched up side

Utp ....

The fcuking mighty
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The strategy was out of the window as soon as we tried to sign Brannagan, again.

I don't see any plan apart from who can we get in that will agree terms and some loanees.

I don't think we're skint but our transfer strategy is utter bollocks.
 
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poolseasider said:
Not forgetting the rules on European players has being tightened you only have to see the Diago Costa fiasco with Wolves to see that.

You want a player from outside the UK they've have to had international caps etc that's bound to inflate our domestic market.
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I don't think they've changed since 2020, and the rules aren't as tight as some think, outside the top 5 leagues Portugal, Holland and Belgium are reasonably easy to get a work permit from, and in fact players at some of the smaller Bundesliga/Ligue 1/La Liga/Serie A clubs probably aren't out of the reach of Championship clubs.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Or is SS not wanting to spend his money

Apparently loads of offers for players have been made ....and refused and even in the rare case they had been accepted its been hard to agree terms with our league one budget

Missed out on Drinkwater, looking like a pay as you play deal for Bridcutt is on the table instead, they aren’t even close in terms of ability

Couldn't agree terms with several contracted players even when fees had been agreed , Or players like the Rotherham midfielder just not fancying it preferring to stay at fcuking Rotherham

Had to make do with paying a wage percentages for young loan players instead, that goes against the policy that Bullshit was banging on about signing young players with sell on values whilst having a defined transfer policy and structure

Lets not forget it doesn't matter if a manager leaves the strategy remains the same

Bullshit ......

Struggling to agree terms with players who don't even have clubs now

Meanwhile its looking like Fabian Delph is signing for Wigan on a free, whilst we are scratching around with Dougall and Connolly in midfield struggling to pass the ball to players in the same colour shirt

Maybe a call to Riga should be on the cards, be nice to have some of that 30 odd million that left the club available again, I'm sure uncle Val would help out the club he loves ❤

Maybe its the Hong Kong problems or the banking issues but however you dress it up its a bit weird buying a football club then not wanting to properly invest in it, especially as we are now a Championship club just one promotion away from the riches of the Premier league.

Where is the ambition? What is the ambition?

It really wouldn't have taken much to get us competing at the top end this season, i honestly don't think the league is all that, but the transfer window has kiboshed that ambition.

The Bowler deal is looking worse and worse everytime we take the pitch without him. We should have really just kept him for the season instead of selling him for a pittance.

Even clubs like the Nobbers, Coventry and Rovers have managed to keep their better players, Brereton Diaz also only has a year left btw.

The club is being run like a league one club in terms of finance on the pitch whilst every effort is made in trying to rinse every last penny out of our loyal fanbase off it.

There is only so much 8,000 people can spend

We still have an untapped potential support but the ticket price rises have seen to that, very few fans now buy match day tickets, less than a hundred according to the bloke in the ticket office when i asked at the Bristol City game.

Thats poor however you dress it up given we have thousands of empty seats in a relatively small stadium.

Ahhhh the East stand and Training ground you say? ....Never in a month of Sundays will 40 million be spent on that and its still unclear how that would be financed even if it did miraculously happen.

All my opinion btw whilst our new head coach is getting slaughtered from every corner for losing 2 away games on the bounce with a patched up side

Utp ....

The fcuking mighty
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I wouldnt be in a rush to sign Fabian Delph

Between 2019/20 and 2021/22, Delph suffered eight separate injury issues that kept him out of action for 59 competitive matches.

You talk about Brereton Diaz ?

Did anyone put in a firm offer in for him ? Dont think so.

I dont think for a minute we are "skint." I do think the club is seeking value for money and there isnt anything suitable at the minute .

As for the club making every effort to rinse its loyal fanbase of money have you seen the Moretti Lounge offer for October Phil ?
 
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AngelBFC said:
"every effort is made in trying to rinse every last penny out of our loyal fanbase off it."

I wouldnt be in a rush to sign Fabian Delph

Between 2019/20 and 2021/22, Delph suffered eight separate injury issues that kept him out of action for 59 competitive matches.

You talk about Brereton Diaz ?

Did anyone put in a firm offer in for him ? Dont think so.

I dont think for a minute we are "skint." I do think the club is seeking value for money and there isnt anything suitable at the minute .

As for the club making every effort to rinse its loyal fanbase of money have you seen the Moretti Lounge offer for October Phil ?
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No problem with the lounges in the ground

I'm more on about ticket prices, shirts, kids memberships, mascot packages etc etc
 
Should be the last nail in the coffin for SS this thread.

“Before the reward, there must be labor. You plant before you harvest. You sow in tears before you reap joy.” – Ralph Ransom
 
Philbfctrois said:
No problem with the lounges in the ground

I'm more on about ticket prices, shirts, kids memberships, mascot packages etc etc
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Any price increases etc don't seem to be for someones profit though Phil.

SS is putting his hand in his pocket to the tune of millions each year to keep the club afloat and competitive.

I could understand it if you were talking about a club that was making millions in profit each year like some do but that's not the case here.

Us supporters are not being "rinsed." The running of your club costs money its just a fact.

Without SS the club would be skint.
 
AngelBFC said:
Any price increases etc don't seem to be for someones profit though Phil.

SS is putting his hand in his pocket to the tune of millions each year to keep the club afloat and competitive.

I could understand it if you were talking about a club that was making millions in profit each year like some do but that's not the case here.

Us supporters are not being "rinsed." The running of your club costs money its just a fact.

Without SS the club would be skint.
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Someone will be on about 'other buyers' in a moment.

No one else would want BFC.
 
In answer to the O/P, I suppose it depends what your definition of ‘skint’ is. We certainly don’t have the resources that some Clubs seem to have and we’re unlikely to be putting the business in significant debt like many others.

From what I’ve seen, if you get yourself a decent Manager then there’s no real need to be spunking silly money.
 
AngelBFC said:
I wouldnt be in a rush to sign Fabian Delph

Between 2019/20 and 2021/22, Delph suffered eight separate injury issues that kept him out of action for 59 competitive matches.

You talk about Brereton Diaz ?

Did anyone put in a firm offer in for him ? Dont think so.

I dont think for a minute we are "skint." I do think the club is seeking value for money and there isnt anything suitable at the minute .

As for the club making every effort to rinse its loyal fanbase of money have you seen the Moretti Lounge offer for October Phil ?
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And it’s due to the club trying to “find value for money” that is leaving us drastically short and having fans turn on the manager who is, not by his own choice, having to chop change and scrimp around to get an average starting 11 together.

If fans are genuinely happy with our transfer structure, or what ever we want to call our shit show, then I expect them to be happy when we are relegated to League One due to lack on investment into the team.
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
As far as I can see there’s only one person being rinsed since the Oystons were driven out and that’s Simon Sadler.
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I don't think anyone is moaning about SS. I think people are frustrated that we haven't moved on in line with the model they were sold. There is an additional unforeseen budget from NC and JB which should allow for that model to progress- it doesn't seem to have happened, well it hasn't has it?

The team is short in areas well discussed and those areas were there before the end of last season. Why are they still there? £1m bids come with £1m associated wages and we don't seem to accept that.

The loans are great, probably the best quality we've had in the main, but they should supplement the team not be the core.

And if SS wants to look at someone taking the piss out of him, then he need not look further than a couple of feet every now and then.
 
Stockport county just unveiled plans for a 20,000 capacity stadium. A tad ambitious I would have thought, but it makes me wonder if our plans are a little unambitious.
 
Yes as a club we were skint whilst in receivership after OO and VB sailed off with 62 million between them. Then SS bought the club and started to invest his own money into the infrastructure, as well as all the staff and players to improve us no end from where we were to now back in the championship only a couple of years later, new training ground on route all ready with 100s of thousands spent on the existing one in the short term. 3/4 million covid losses covered by SS along the way too.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
In answer to the O/P, I suppose it depends what your definition of ‘skint’ is. We certainly don’t have the resources that some Clubs seem to have and we’re unlikely to be putting the business in significant debt like many others.

From what I’ve seen, if you get yourself a decent Manager then there’s no real need to be spunking silly money.
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The second paragraph is the most relevant, and if we have or not remains to be seen.
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
SS isn’t willing to invest in the on field structure.. seems more investment is being used to build the clubs assets.. Which always add to the price of a football club, don’t they?

Make of that what you please.
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It makes perfect sense to want to increase the asset value to create the headroom for further investment.

Sadler has been pretty open in wanting to invest his money in infrastructure and the club to generate its own profits to reinvest in the playing side, for at least the short/medium term.

The OP seems to have spent so long promoting his own narrative, that's he's now annoyed that Sadler isn't delivering it.

The last window was not good, at all. There's been a deviation from the strategy of targeting, buying, developing and selling. I think that's partly the change of manager and partly the style change that goes with it. However, it's only one bad period when prior to that it was pretty much goods news story after good news story.
 
Tango1953 said:
It makes perfect sense to want to increase the asset value to create the headroom for further investment.

Sadler has been pretty open in wanting to invest his money in infrastructure and the club to generate its own profits to reinvest in the playing side, for at least the short/medium term.

The OP seems to have spent so long promoting his own narrative, that's he's now annoyed that Sadler isn't delivering it.

The last window was not good, at all. There's been a deviation from the strategy of targeting, buying, developing and selling. I think that's partly the change of manager and partly the style change that goes with it. However, it's only one bad period when prior to that it was pretty much goods news story after good news story.
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So you’re happy with the lack of investment in the playing side, therefore will be happy should we be relegated this season?
 
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