Are we skint?

The trouble with The O/P is that while there might be odd truths here and there the whole post is blinkered and one sided. Everything slanted a certain way. No balance at all.
The manager is a perfect example. He gets a free pass because it suits the narrative. If Critchley had presided over this start we all know the O/P would be absolutely rinsing him.
 
I think a lot of the problem lies with Mansford's panic 'addresses to the nation' where he says what we want to hear (he is very good at that) and thereafter it's radio silence with just Appleton as the public face of the club.

I know the OP doesn't like Andy Holt and has him down as a gobshite, but one thing you can't say is that Accy fans are left speculating about where they're at in the way we are.

Somebody will doubtless say "Sadler isn't beholden to tell us stuff" and no, he isn't, but at the same time,he does like to use the rhetoric of community and custodianship but we're not exactly involved with the day to day goings on cos we tend to get a bit of info every now and again if we're lucky.

I think, what I'm trying to get at with all this is, there's a healthy space somewhere between the corporate, guarded and secretive way some clubs are run and the motormouth egotistical, too much information that others are.

If we're Rotherham so be it - Rotherham are 8th and well run and emerged from a shambles to be better than they had been for years - it just feels sometimes like they don't quite want to 'tell it straight' - it's not the same as the disingenuous shite that Owen spouted at all, but more that they don't want to undermine the 'brand' they're curating with 'negativity'
 
td53 said:
I think a lot of the problem lies with Mansford's panic 'addresses to the nation' where he says what we want to hear (he is very good at that) and thereafter it's radio silence with just Appleton as the public face of the club.

I know the OP doesn't like Andy Holt and has him down as a gobshite, but one thing you can't say is that Accy fans are left speculating about where they're at in the way we are.

Somebody will doubtless say "Sadler isn't beholden to tell us stuff" and no, he isn't, but at the same time,he does like to use the rhetoric of community and custodianship but we're not exactly involved with the day to day goings on cos we tend to get a bit of info every now and again if we're lucky.

I think, what I'm trying to get at with all this is, there's a healthy space somewhere between the corporate, guarded and secretive way some clubs are run and the motormouth egotistical, too much information that others are.

If we're Rotherham so be it - Rotherham are 8th and well run and emerged from a shambles to be better than they had been for years - it just feels sometimes like they don't quite want to 'tell it straight' - it's not the same as the disingenuous shite that Owen spouted at all, but more that they don't want to undermine the 'brand' they're curating with 'negativity'
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The thing is though honesty and open communication doesn't always wash with supporters. I'm not saying this is the strategy but just imagine if they came out with...we got promoted sooner than expected, the priority is the East and the training ground and you might have to accept a drop to L1 and be patient for a few years till those projects bear fruit.
I could just see Mansford selling that !
 
td53 said:
I think a lot of the problem lies with Mansford's panic 'addresses to the nation' where he says what we want to hear (he is very good at that) and thereafter it's radio silence with just Appleton as the public face of the club.

I know the OP doesn't like Andy Holt and has him down as a gobshite, but one thing you can't say is that Accy fans are left speculating about where they're at in the way we are.

Somebody will doubtless say "Sadler isn't beholden to tell us stuff" and no, he isn't, but at the same time,he does like to use the rhetoric of community and custodianship but we're not exactly involved with the day to day goings on cos we tend to get a bit of info every now and again if we're lucky.

I think, what I'm trying to get at with all this is, there's a healthy space somewhere between the corporate, guarded and secretive way some clubs are run and the motormouth egotistical, too much information that others are.

If we're Rotherham so be it - Rotherham are 8th and well run and emerged from a shambles to be better than they had been for years - it just feels sometimes like they don't quite want to 'tell it straight' - it's not the same as the disingenuous shite that Owen spouted at all, but more that they don't want to undermine the 'brand' they're curating with 'negativity'
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I have been banging the same drum about involvement for months to no avail. All I have had is pelters about wanting to know everything, but I don’t, I just want to know something.
 
td53 said:
I think a lot of the problem lies with Mansford's panic 'addresses to the nation' where he says what we want to hear (he is very good at that) and thereafter it's radio silence with just Appleton as the public face of the club.

I know the OP doesn't like Andy Holt and has him down as a gobshite, but one thing you can't say is that Accy fans are left speculating about where they're at in the way we are.

Somebody will doubtless say "Sadler isn't beholden to tell us stuff" and no, he isn't, but at the same time,he does like to use the rhetoric of community and custodianship but we're not exactly involved with the day to day goings on cos we tend to get a bit of info every now and again if we're lucky.

I think, what I'm trying to get at with all this is, there's a healthy space somewhere between the corporate, guarded and secretive way some clubs are run and the motormouth egotistical, too much information that others are.

If we're Rotherham so be it - Rotherham are 8th and well run and emerged from a shambles to be better than they had been for years - it just feels sometimes like they don't quite want to 'tell it straight' - it's not the same as the disingenuous shite that Owen spouted at all, but more that they don't want to undermine the 'brand' they're curating with 'negativity'
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Good post. There is of course also a useful adage that if you don't know quite what to say ata point in time, it's best not to say anything. It's quite calming too in these "tell me everything, I demand to know" days. I'd hope good things are going on behind the scenes and that we will hear about it when there is something authoritative to say.
 
Matesrates said:
Stockport county just unveiled plans for a 20,000 capacity stadium. A tad ambitious I would have thought, but it makes me wonder if our plans are a little unambitious.
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What plans? The Gazette report on an East at same capacity is based off nothing but council outline plans, the club hasn't put anything out yet.
 
AngelBFC said:
Any price increases etc don't seem to be for someones profit though Phil.

SS is putting his hand in his pocket to the tune of millions each year to keep the club afloat and competitive.

I could understand it if you were talking about a club that was making millions in profit each year like some do but that's not the case here.

Us supporters are not being "rinsed." The running of your club costs money its just a fact.

Without SS the club would be skint.
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Without Simon Sadler we would have most probably had another owner

The club was a steal at 7.5 million

Granted we would be rolling the dice a little
 
td53 said:
I think a lot of the problem lies with Mansford's panic 'addresses to the nation' where he says what we want to hear (he is very good at that) and thereafter it's radio silence with just Appleton as the public face of the club.

I know the OP doesn't like Andy Holt and has him down as a gobshite, but one thing you can't say is that Accy fans are left speculating about where they're at in the way we are.

Somebody will doubtless say "Sadler isn't beholden to tell us stuff" and no, he isn't, but at the same time,he does like to use the rhetoric of community and custodianship but we're not exactly involved with the day to day goings on cos we tend to get a bit of info every now and again if we're lucky.

I think, what I'm trying to get at with all this is, there's a healthy space somewhere between the corporate, guarded and secretive way some clubs are run and the motormouth egotistical, too much information that others are.

If we're Rotherham so be it - Rotherham are 8th and well run and emerged from a shambles to be better than they had been for years - it just feels sometimes like they don't quite want to 'tell it straight' - it's not the same as the disingenuous shite that Owen spouted at all, but more that they don't want to undermine the 'brand' they're curating with 'negativity'
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Thank you

1.1 now

That's a hell of a post and a brilliant equaliser
 
Matesrates said:
Stockport county just unveiled plans for a 20,000 capacity stadium. A tad ambitious I would have thought, but it makes me wonder if our plans are a little unambitious.
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Our plans for redeveloping the ground (East Stand) have not yet been revealed and why the fuck would a struggling L2 team want a ground with that capacity?
 
Goforgoal said:
See post #27
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Think the rel
Goforgoal said:
See post #27
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To be fair the pandemic will have blown a massive hole in SS plans and budget, yes other clubs were equally affected, however almost all are ongoing businesses with years of experience in football... unlike SS.
Rebuilding Blackpool FC is a massive task after years of neglect... we have stalled in the rate of progress but not progress itself.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Or is SS not wanting to spend his money

Apparently loads of offers for players have been made ....and refused and even in the rare case they had been accepted its been hard to agree terms with our league one budget

Missed out on Drinkwater, looking like a pay as you play deal for Bridcutt is on the table instead, they aren’t even close in terms of ability

Couldn't agree terms with several contracted players even when fees had been agreed , Or players like the Rotherham midfielder just not fancying it preferring to stay at fcuking Rotherham

Had to make do with paying a wage percentages for young loan players instead, that goes against the policy that Bullshit was banging on about signing young players with sell on values whilst having a defined transfer policy and structure

Lets not forget it doesn't matter if a manager leaves the strategy remains the same

Bullshit ......

Struggling to agree terms with players who don't even have clubs now

Meanwhile its looking like Fabian Delph is signing for Wigan on a free, whilst we are scratching around with Dougall and Connolly in midfield struggling to pass the ball to players in the same colour shirt

Maybe a call to Riga should be on the cards, be nice to have some of that 30 odd million that left the club available again, I'm sure uncle Val would help out the club he loves ❤

Maybe its the Hong Kong problems or the banking issues but however you dress it up its a bit weird buying a football club then not wanting to properly invest in it, especially as we are now a Championship club just one promotion away from the riches of the Premier league.

Where is the ambition? What is the ambition?

It really wouldn't have taken much to get us competing at the top end this season, i honestly don't think the league is all that, but the transfer window has kiboshed that ambition.

The Bowler deal is looking worse and worse everytime we take the pitch without him. We should have really just kept him for the season instead of selling him for a pittance.

Even clubs like the Nobbers, Coventry and Rovers have managed to keep their better players, Brereton Diaz also only has a year left btw.

The club is being run like a league one club in terms of finance on the pitch whilst every effort is made in trying to rinse every last penny out of our loyal fanbase off it.

There is only so much 8,000 people can spend

We still have an untapped potential support but the ticket price rises have seen to that, very few fans now buy match day tickets, less than a hundred according to the bloke in the ticket office when i asked at the Bristol City game.

Thats poor however you dress it up given we have thousands of empty seats in a relatively small stadium.

Ahhhh the East stand and Training ground you say? ....Never in a month of Sundays will 40 million be spent on that and its still unclear how that would be financed even if it did miraculously happen.

All my opinion btw whilst our new head coach is getting slaughtered from every corner for losing 2 away games on the bounce with a patched up side

Utp ....

The fcuking mighty
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Arhh how we hark back for the good old days of a convicted owner, inept chairman, no investment where did it all go wrong .. you knob!!!
 
Phil, why don’t you put yourself forward as the next SLO? You seem to have all the answers and you could put them forward to the members of the board in an official capacity instead of constantly having a pop on here at anything the club does? Serious question
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
The strategy was out of the window as soon as we tried to sign Brannagan, again.

I don't see any plan apart from who can we get in that will agree terms and some loanees.

I don't think we're skint but our transfer strategy is utter bollocks.
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This is what is bugging me the most (well, this and the 4 year contract).
We were told countless times we were looking to sign a certain type of young player who we would improve, sell on, re invest the fee received, rinse and repeat. What has happened to that? There must still be players available in the lower leagues (or bigger teams reserves) that are capable of stepping up to the level we need, that aren't asking for 14 grand a week.

We seem to have totally abandoned that plan now, and are trying to sign already developed players that are close to their peak, safe in the knowledge we can't offer what they're asking (or what other teams are willing to pay).

I think this is part of what baffles me with the Appleton appointment, why bring in a manager that would require the "blueprint" being torn up and need x amount of his own players, if we didn't have the time or finances to implement it.

It's all a bit half arsed. And the responsibility for this must fall at the feet of Mansford.
 
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BlackpoolsFinest said:
This is what is bugging me the most (well, this and the 4 year contract).
We were told countless times we were looking to sign a certain type of young player who we would improve, sell on, re invest the fee received, rinse and repeat. What has happened to that? There must still be players available in the lower leagues (or bigger teams reserves) that are capable of stepping up to the level we need, that aren't asking for 14 grand a week.

We seem to have totally abandoned that plan now, and are trying to sign already developed players that are close to their peak, safe in the knowledge we can't offer what they're asking (or what other teams are willing to pay).

I think this is part of what baffles me with the Appleton appointment, why bring in a manager that would require the "blueprint" being torn up and need x amount of his own players, if we didn't have the time or finances to implement it.

It's all a bit half arsed. And the responsibility for this must fall at the feet of Mansford.
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Bang on that and you have explained it really well
 
Philbfctrois said:
Or is SS not wanting to spend his money

Apparently loads of offers for players have been made ....and refused and even in the rare case they had been accepted its been hard to agree terms with our league one budget

Missed out on Drinkwater, looking like a pay as you play deal for Bridcutt is on the table instead, they aren’t even close in terms of ability

Couldn't agree terms with several contracted players even when fees had been agreed , Or players like the Rotherham midfielder just not fancying it preferring to stay at fcuking Rotherham

Had to make do with paying a wage percentages for young loan players instead, that goes against the policy that Bullshit was banging on about signing young players with sell on values whilst having a defined transfer policy and structure

Lets not forget it doesn't matter if a manager leaves the strategy remains the same

Bullshit ......

Struggling to agree terms with players who don't even have clubs now

Meanwhile its looking like Fabian Delph is signing for Wigan on a free, whilst we are scratching around with Dougall and Connolly in midfield struggling to pass the ball to players in the same colour shirt

Maybe a call to Riga should be on the cards, be nice to have some of that 30 odd million that left the club available again, I'm sure uncle Val would help out the club he loves ❤

Maybe its the Hong Kong problems or the banking issues but however you dress it up its a bit weird buying a football club then not wanting to properly invest in it, especially as we are now a Championship club just one promotion away from the riches of the Premier league.

Where is the ambition? What is the ambition?

It really wouldn't have taken much to get us competing at the top end this season, i honestly don't think the league is all that, but the transfer window has kiboshed that ambition.

The Bowler deal is looking worse and worse everytime we take the pitch without him. We should have really just kept him for the season instead of selling him for a pittance.

Even clubs like the Nobbers, Coventry and Rovers have managed to keep their better players, Brereton Diaz also only has a year left btw.

The club is being run like a league one club in terms of finance on the pitch whilst every effort is made in trying to rinse every last penny out of our loyal fanbase off it.

There is only so much 8,000 people can spend

We still have an untapped potential support but the ticket price rises have seen to that, very few fans now buy match day tickets, less than a hundred according to the bloke in the ticket office when i asked at the Bristol City game.

Thats poor however you dress it up given we have thousands of empty seats in a relatively small stadium.

Ahhhh the East stand and Training ground you say? ....Never in a month of Sundays will 40 million be spent on that and its still unclear how that would be financed even if it did miraculously happen.

All my opinion btw whilst our new head coach is getting slaughtered from every corner for losing 2 away games on the bounce with a patched up side

Utp ....

The fcuking mighty
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I do not think we are skint, but money is clearly an issue. It is looking like we are the lowest spenders in the Championship and what we have to spend appears to be constantly changing. Not long ago we had £500,000 to spend on Bishop, now it looks as though no striker is incoming. Only last week the manager spoke of two free agents coming in, now it is only Bridcutt!
 
HodderSeasider said:
I do not think we are skint, but money is clearly an issue. It is looking like we are the lowest spenders in the Championship and what we have to spend appears to be constantly changing. Not long ago we had £500,000 to spend on Bishop, now it looks as though no striker is incoming. Only last week the manager spoke of two free agents coming in, now it is only Bridcutt!
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Oh and the 1.2 million for Brannagan that was accepted
 
Call my cynical but we do seem to be going for players ( drinkwater, Brannigan etc)..that were never realistically going to be able to meet the wage demands of……?
So kinda agree with the op tbf, as we don’t seem to be able to compete with championship player wage demands…not rocket science is it..?
 
We seem to be investing more in players to make up a development squad, that will give fringe first teamers a game every other week.
The blueprint was Anderson, CJ, Yates, Mitchell, Gabriel, Ekpiteta, Lavery, Bowler, first team ready, not a load of loans and a couple of kids from Celtic and Brighton to bulk up a Central League side.
Something has changed without doubt and I have no idea why.
 
PNENIL said:
The thing is though honesty and open communication doesn't always wash with supporters. I'm not saying this is the strategy but just imagine if they came out with...we got promoted sooner than expected, the priority is the East and the training ground and you might have to accept a drop to L1 and be patient for a few years till those projects bear fruit.
I could just see Mansford selling that !
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That's fair, but I think of myself as fairly reasonable and realistic and even I get pissed off with being 'sold' a vision that is evidently not the same as reality.

If you raise expectation then expectation will be raised....

BlackpoolsFinest said:
This is what is bugging me the most (well, this and the 4 year contract).
We were told countless times we were looking to sign a certain type of young player who we would improve, sell on, re invest the fee received, rinse and repeat. What has happened to that? There must still be players available in the lower leagues (or bigger teams reserves) that are capable of stepping up to the level we need, that aren't asking for 14 grand a week.

We seem to have totally abandoned that plan now, and are trying to sign already developed players that are close to their peak, safe in the knowledge we can't offer what they're asking (or what other teams are willing to pay).

I think this is part of what baffles me with the Appleton appointment, why bring in a manager that would require the "blueprint" being torn up and need x amount of his own players, if we didn't have the time or finances to implement it.

It's all a bit half arsed. And the responsibility for this must fall at the feet of Mansford.
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Yeah, good post.

It's like we'd done a big spreadsheet of "what we can afford for next 5 years" based on shopping at Aldi, then randomly decided we'd go to Harrods with the same amount of money, everyone got excited and then we got to the till and had to put most of the stuff back.

It's really odd how we've not really looked below or sideways for players left out or players wanting the step up after that was our absolute food and drink.

Again, I think Mansford or Sadler would actually get a lot of credit for saying.,.

"Look, we tried fishing in a different pond and it didn't work out - we'll try a different tactic next time"

It's the fact you can imagine Mansford saying "Look, everything went to plan! We've got some of the countries brightest young talents..."

Which isn't totally untrue of course, but it feels like spin and spin irritates when some of us probably spend as much time pondering the Mighty for free as Mansford gets paid a lot to do.
 
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ItsGrimUpNorth said:
So, you’re sticking up for the lack of investment at the moment, but if we go down you’re going to say it wasn’t enough?

If fickle was a person, you’d be looking at him here.
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Football fans being fickle?!

As they say, it's a results business.

(We also don't know the financials, so simmer down)
 
Bloodtangerine said:
Oh no, Tam has batted it off……..gotta go for one of the lefties Phil, they’re great for multiple runs if you press their buttons …..mention Truss would do a better job or some such 👍
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Certainly a straight bat that, very Chris Tavare like

Its ok still got plenty up my sleeve if i really want to hook Sir Tim

Histrionics indeed.....
 
Philbfctrois said:
Or is SS not wanting to spend his money

Apparently loads of offers for players have been made ....and refused and even in the rare case they had been accepted its been hard to agree terms with our league one budget

Missed out on Drinkwater, looking like a pay as you play deal for Bridcutt is on the table instead, they aren’t even close in terms of ability

Couldn't agree terms with several contracted players even when fees had been agreed , Or players like the Rotherham midfielder just not fancying it preferring to stay at fcuking Rotherham

Had to make do with paying a wage percentages for young loan players instead, that goes against the policy that Bullshit was banging on about signing young players with sell on values whilst having a defined transfer policy and structure

Lets not forget it doesn't matter if a manager leaves the strategy remains the same

Bullshit ......

Struggling to agree terms with players who don't even have clubs now

Meanwhile its looking like Fabian Delph is signing for Wigan on a free, whilst we are scratching around with Dougall and Connolly in midfield struggling to pass the ball to players in the same colour shirt

Maybe a call to Riga should be on the cards, be nice to have some of that 30 odd million that left the club available again, I'm sure uncle Val would help out the club he loves ❤

Maybe its the Hong Kong problems or the banking issues but however you dress it up its a bit weird buying a football club then not wanting to properly invest in it, especially as we are now a Championship club just one promotion away from the riches of the Premier league.

Where is the ambition? What is the ambition?

It really wouldn't have taken much to get us competing at the top end this season, i honestly don't think the league is all that, but the transfer window has kiboshed that ambition.

The Bowler deal is looking worse and worse everytime we take the pitch without him. We should have really just kept him for the season instead of selling him for a pittance.

Even clubs like the Nobbers, Coventry and Rovers have managed to keep their better players, Brereton Diaz also only has a year left btw.

The club is being run like a league one club in terms of finance on the pitch whilst every effort is made in trying to rinse every last penny out of our loyal fanbase off it.

There is only so much 8,000 people can spend

We still have an untapped potential support but the ticket price rises have seen to that, very few fans now buy match day tickets, less than a hundred according to the bloke in the ticket office when i asked at the Bristol City game.

Thats poor however you dress it up given we have thousands of empty seats in a relatively small stadium.

Ahhhh the East stand and Training ground you say? ....Never in a month of Sundays will 40 million be spent on that and its still unclear how that would be financed even if it did miraculously happen.

All my opinion btw whilst our new head coach is getting slaughtered from every corner for losing 2 away games on the bounce with a patched up side

Utp ....

The fcuking mighty
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Fuck me, Mr doom and gloom! Rome wasn’t built in a day and it’s going to take time to build up the club. He’s committed millions to the task and all some fans can do is moan and criticise when things aren’t happening fast enough! Get a grip!!!
 
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