Newholland
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Interesting... could you explain further please?It points to significant differences in the way people believe our society should be organised. I can't believe you're so dismissive of that.
Interesting... could you explain further please?It points to significant differences in the way people believe our society should be organised. I can't believe you're so dismissive of that.
It points to significant differences in the way people believe our society should be organised. I can't believe you're so dismissive of that.
Think the point is, Brexiteers have had fuck all to celebrate in terms of the so called Brexit bonus, with a real downturn as a consequence of leaving. This is a straw for a drowning man.I wouldn't judge a person based on his/her opinion on whether or not we stayed in the EU.
You had somebody on the thread saying that such and such was great news for Brexiteers and nonsense like that as if there are different consequences based on how you voted in the referendum.
I can't say I voted myself and I can't say that my life has been seriously affected, I imagine that those more seriously affected would probably already be concentrating on working on how to best to adapt to any changes, meet new challenges and develop new opportunities.
I would imagine that most on here were like myself 66 and not seriously affected but I guess I can only speak for myself.
Think the point is, Brexiteers have had fuck all to celebrate in terms of the so called Brexit bonus, with a real downturn as a consequence of leaving. This is a straw for a drowning man.
At the very least, those who voted to leave the EU have a more insular mindset. I make no comment here as to the subjective benefit of that condition. Conversely, Remainers would be considered to be more open to and accepting of external influences. One mindset appears to be more openly accepting of outside influence and the other side appears to be more suspicious of external factors. One suggests a need for greater security within the known and trusted cultural mindset, one suggests a willingness to explore the benefits of wider cultural influences.Interesting... could you explain further please?
It’s not worth explaining. You’re just a tree hugging lefty.At the very least, those who voted to leave the EU have a more insular mindset. I make no comment here as to the subjective benefit of that condition. Conversely, Remainers would be considered to be more open to and accepting of external influences. One mindset appears to be more openly accepting of outside influence and the other side appears to be more suspicious of external factors. One suggests a need for greater security within the known and trusted cultural mindset, one suggests a willingness to explore the benefits of wider cultural influences.
I wouldn't seriously base a proper discussion of the wider implications of a person's Brexit vote on things posted on this board. I do believe that there are wider cultural, sociological and political feelings informing that vote than would be apparent from the knockabout stuff we read here. I can't believe that it simply boiled down to owners of SMEs being frustrated with the paperwork. In reality the vote swayed around a fulcrum of insularity and openness. These emotions were the real informers of the Brexit vote and they tell us a lot about significant touch points across a range of political concepts: security versus liberty, democracy versus autocracy, openness versus insularity, conservation versus exploration.I wouldn't judge a person based on his/her opinion on whether or not we stayed in the EU.
You had somebody on the thread saying that such and such was great news for Brexiteers and nonsense like that as if there are different consequences based on how you voted in the referendum.
I can't say I voted myself and I can't say that my life has been seriously affected, I imagine that those more seriously affected would probably already be concentrating on working on how to best to adapt to any changes, meet new challenges and develop new opportunities.
I would imagine that most on here were like myself 66 and not seriously affected but I guess I can only speak for myself.
I wouldn't seriously base a proper discussion of the wider implications of a person's Brexit vote on things posted on this board. I do believe that there are wider cultural, sociological and political feelings informing that vote than would be apparent from the knockabout stuff we read here. I can't believe that it simply boiled down to owners of SMEs being frustrated with the paperwork. In reality the vote swayed around a fulcrum of insularity and openness. These emotions were the real informers of the Brexit vote and they tell us a lot about significant touch points across a range of political concepts: security versus liberty, democracy versus autocracy, openness versus insularity, conservation versus exploration.
Thanks for your considered reply above and post 57.At the very least, those who voted to leave the EU have a more insular mindset. I make no comment here as to the subjective benefit of that condition. Conversely, Remainers would be considered to be more open to and accepting of external influences. One mindset appears to be more openly accepting of outside influence and the other side appears to be more suspicious of external factors. One suggests a need for greater security within the known and trusted cultural mindset, one suggests a willingness to explore the benefits of wider cultural influences.
Partly agree, (fear of stepping outside the 49 year security blanket). However, a dinosaur in a progressive world? It makes me wonder what you base your concept of progressiveness on. There is much evidence to show that, since the financial crash the world has been going through a sustained period of insular nationalism.Thanks for your considered reply above and post 57.
Whilst there is considerable evidence to support the “insular v openness” position , I think the polar opposite also exists, to a lesser extent, which inevitably adds to the complexity.
To explain, many remain voters have said to me they feared stepping outside the 40 year security blanket of EU membership... to them it simply wasn’t worth the risk... for myself and other leave voters...membership was stifling opportunity in a ever decreasing world.
I would have happily remained if I felt the EU was open to massive reform... for me it had grown beyond its original “trade” objective and is becoming a dinosaur in a progressive world.
That’s a fair point re progressive world, although I do feel things are improving, my main buyer has found enough benefits from leaving the EU to counter some of the difficulties ( bizarrely even with EU countries) . It’s worth noting they were very strong for remaining but took the attitude on 23/6/16 that they would make the best of ( what they considered) was a bad job.Partly agree, (fear of stepping outside the 49 year security blanket). However, a dinosaur in a progressive world? It makes me wonder what you base your concept of progressiveness on. There is much evidence to show that, since the financial crash the world has been going through a sustained period of insular nationalism.
Nobody wants a workers revolution. What is needed is for the Government to stop playing political games and negotiate with these people.That’s a fair point re progressive world, although I do feel things are improving, my main buyer has found enough benefits from leaving the EU to counter some of the difficulties ( bizarrely even with EU countries) . It’s worth noting they were very strong for remaining but took the attitude on 23/6/16 that they would make the best of ( what they considered) was a bad job.
I’ve got to say, I’m encouraged by Sir Kier and his comments on this subject.... also I’m keep a close eye on his position re the current industrial unrest.... a workers revolution might not be in their political interests.
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My friend in London.is having huge difficulty exporting to the EU because of all the ridiculous paperwork and increased costs , so former EU customers not wanting to deal with UK companies. She will eventually close her business. SMEs all over the UK have this problem. Quite ridiculous in the modern world..Not much publicised though for obvious readonsThat’s a fair point re progressive world, although I do feel things are improving, my main buyer has found enough benefits from leaving the EU to counter some of the difficulties ( bizarrely even with EU countries) . It’s worth noting they were very strong for remaining but took the attitude on 23/6/16 that they would make the best of ( what they considered) was a bad job.
I’ve got to say, I’m encouraged by Sir Kier and his comments on this subject.... also I’m keep a close eye on his position re the current industrial unrest.... a workers revolution might not be in their political interests.
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Yeah, sure it did.But the EU is not rushing to pursue this with vigour because it's worried about how many of its own institutions might be shown to be corrupt. So says the BBC report this am.
My friend in London.is having huge difficulty exporting to the EU because of all the ridiculous paperwork and increased costs
Put her house up for sale at £20 million, £10 million for the yacht and gone off to Honduras, which coincidentally, doesn't have an extradition treaty with us.A few hundred thousand for 4 or so MEPs. Michel Mone ripped off minimum £29 million as a Tory Peer using the so called " fast lane " during Covid created by the Tory gov, when suspending normal or basic controls during covid, hence Matt Hancock's pub landlord mate getting his share too. Other UK established companies denied access. Seems she or associates just bought random gowns from China to sell on to us, mostly found to be useless. So govt pursuing a case against her re that apart from criminal investigation.