1966_and_all_that
Well-known member
Off you pop then.Why do they all want to end up here though?
Nothing wrong in staying in France in my book.
Off you pop then.Why do they all want to end up here though?
Nothing wrong in staying in France in my book.
If 8 out of 10 cats all prefer Whiskas do the other 2 prefer Lesley Judd?What don't you understand about 'based on recent polls?'
I'm surprised any adult doesn't have an idea about how polls work, and how the results are interpreted and applied. But in order to help you out, I'm happy to explain that polls are considered as a representative indication. They're a convenient way to quickly gauge opinion.
8 out of 10 women noticed their hair was softer and shinier when using Pantene Pro-V. Now if you've ask all the women in your life whether they've been consulted on this, you'll probably find they haven't. But Pantene have used what is known as a poll or a survey.
I suspect you actually knew how polls worked, because I'm sure you don't question the one's which show Labour with a significant lead over the Tory's. ;-)
Malced.What don't you understand about 'based on recent polls?'
I'm surprised any adult doesn't have an idea about how polls work, and how the results are interpreted and applied. But in order to help you out, I'm happy to explain that polls are considered as a representative indication. They're a convenient way to quickly gauge opinion.
8 out of 10 women noticed their hair was softer and shinier when using Pantene Pro-V. Now if you've ask all the women in your life whether they've been consulted on this, you'll probably find they haven't. But Pantene have used what is known as a poll or a survey.
I suspect you actually knew how polls worked, because I'm sure you don't question the one's which show Labour with a significant lead over the Tory's. ;-)
Emigration was a lot more than the 45,000 coming over in small boats, to put it in perspective.I've yet to see an answer to any of the questions @Malced has asked. What limit would everyone put on immigration/asylum numbers, and how would you treat those who can't come here because the number has been reached? If you wouldn't put any limit on it, how do you plan the country's infrastructure when you have no idea year on year how many people will decide to come? There might be a million jobs now, but that won't always be the case. And what about housing? School places? GP access? These things take time to plan. Many of those coming might become teachers, or builders, or GP's but it doesn't happen overnight, it needs proper planning.
I think most people in the UK understand we need immigration, but also that there needs to be a system to manage it properly so we don't just "allow" people here, we welcome them and are able to offer them a life rather than just an existence.
I suspect these questions have been swerved by everyone because no-one actually has an easy answer.
Of course, Sir Mo Farah was trafficked into this country in a small boat as a child. This legislation would see him deported and banned from these shores indefinitely with no appeal.
In the year up to June 2022, the UK Net Migration was a record high of over half a million. So you can't take one aspect of immigration, and compare it in isolation to emigration figures as it serves no logical purpose. It comparing apples with eggs.Emigration was a lot more than the 45,000 coming over in small boats, to put it in perspective.
You don't really need to put a figure on it. The situation will naturally sort itself out.I've yet to see an answer to any of the questions @Malced has asked. What limit would everyone put on immigration/asylum numbers, and how would you treat those who can't come here because the number has been reached? If you wouldn't put any limit on it, how do you plan the country's infrastructure when you have no idea year on year how many people will decide to come? There might be a million jobs now, but that won't always be the case. And what about housing? School places? GP access? These things take time to plan. Many of those coming might become teachers, or builders, or GP's but it doesn't happen overnight, it needs proper planning.
I think most people in the UK understand we need immigration, but also that there needs to be a system to manage it properly so we don't just "allow" people here, we welcome them and are able to offer them a life rather than just an existence.
I suspect these questions have been swerved by everyone because no-one actually has an easy answer.
It must be difficult constantly living under a dark cloud.You don't really need to put a figure on it. The situation will naturally sort itself out.
If too many people came here and this country didn't have the infrastructure to cope, they would then go to somewhere else that had better conditions.
At the moment, we are still stinking rich compared to many other countries around the world so it is still worth coming here. The UK is on a gradual path of decline however, accelerated by Brexit. That will continue and there are predictions now that Poland and Hungary will overtake the UK in prosperity within a decade if the current trajectory of our economies continues.
So as time goes by and the UK economy and infrastructure crumbles, we won't be a destination of choice and less boat trips will occur.
Not at all. I get why you're upset over those coming over in small boats, but who's to say they are any less worthy of remaining than those coming via legal routes? As it is, they won't get the opportunity to make their case and won't ever be able to try. These people won't know that the law has changed so to say it will deter them is nonsense.In the year up to June 2022, the UK Net Migration was a record high of over half a million. So you can't take one aspect of immigration, and compare it in isolation to emigration figures as it serves no logical purpose. It comparing apples with eggs.
Again, with respect, you're incredibly selective on what you wish to acknowledge.
We've still no clue on what your approach to this should be. Open doors, a limit, no-limit, or only when we have job vacancies, or only if the numbers coming in don't exceed the emigration figures.
I've been clear. The boat-crossings are inhumane, dangerous, criminal and see people being exploited. The numbers keep going up, so something has to be done. You're selective stat to put things in perspective doesn't at all mean anything or tell us what you would do when the numbers rise again and blow the emigration figure ....out of the water.
Not at all. I get why you're upset over those coming over in small boats, but who's to say they are any less worthy of remaining than those coming via legal routes? As it is, they won't get the opportunity to make their case and won't ever be able to try. These people won't know that the law has changed so to say it will deter them is nonsense.
I'm pretty sure that a lot of the people who turn up in the back of lorries have no idea where they are, just not where they set off from.I can see your viewpoint but I do think that it will deter them. The migrants, especially the economic migrants, are well clued up on how the system works. Eventually they’ll be disincentivised from giving several thousand euros to the people smugglers when they’re savvy enough to realise they’ll not be granted asylum.
Why ever would I want to pop to France it’s my county born & bred here and I’ve never slagged it off like one of two do on a regular basis on here.Off you pop then.
Exactly Dave just what does the £55m we pay them actually get us?Why aren't the French patrolling their coastline?
They could/should stop all these boats fairly easily I would think.
The coastline is so long they can probably only stop a few, we could however reque the £55 million unless they up their game.Exactly Dave just what does the £55m we pay them actually get us?
Because we left the EU so no longer have any voice or power to put pressure on France to do anything about it. Previously we had 26 other allied countries who could put France under the spotlight. Now, it's an opportunity to disperse the problem outside of the EU. They were never going to look this particular gift horse in the mouth.Why aren't the French patrolling their coastline?
They could/should stop all these boats fairly easily I would think.
But they would have as soon as Farah had turned 18 while in the UK.Perhaps focus on the details more and not the rhetoric. The newly suggested rules don’t apply to under-18s.
Focus on the details...But they would have as soon as Farah had turned 18 while in the UK.
So to summarise, the one person who agreed with your views was 'well-dressed' and 'intelligent'.I watched the news today where various members of the public were being asked for their views on the boats.
Does the media contact the local idiots society to put forward people to be interviewed.?
All bar one couldn't string a coherent sentence together. By pure coincidence they all seemed to be racist. The only intelligent reply came from a well dressed lady who said she had no problem with the country accepting these people.
There's a direct correlation between stupidity and racist views- and these are the people the Tories are courting to try and inflict more electoral pain on us.
Heaven help us.
To be fair. They were all called Malced so I suppose it's understandable.So to summarise, the one person who agreed with your views was 'well-dressed' and 'intelligent'.
Those that didn't were idiots, incoherent, and racist.
Now I wonder, could this just be your extreme bias shining through load and clear?
How dare the media bring on people to express a view to which is different to the one you hold?
Just out of interest, were the incoherent, racist idiots, not well-dressed?
Ok you've still not addressed any of the difficult questions.Focus on the details...
“The government’s stance is to sort out the mess” couldn’t be further from the truth as their numerous previous efforts have shown.Ok you've still not addressed any of the difficult questions.
But let's go with your Mo Farah example. Are you saying that we should have uncontrolled immigration because we might find a future Olympian?
One Olympian doesn't justify uncontrolled immigration, in the same way that if one immigrant murders someone, it doesn't make a case to stop all immigration.
So I suspect this Mo Farah example is just another smoke screen whilst you continue to avoid the difficult questions.
I've just been watching the evening news, and I'm heartened as much as Ollygon is disheartened at hearing what the majority public opinion is. The majority want the Government to take radical action. They've had enough. This includes swathes of Labour voters or former Labour voters.
So the Labour Party had better get real, cos they're on very dodgy ground with their weak stance on illegal immigration. Their main stance is to talk about the mess and blame the Government. Whilst the Government's stance is to sort out the mess.
“The government’s stance is to sort out the mess” couldn’t be further from the truth as their numerous previous efforts have shown.
They have even admitted themselves that this latest wheeze is unlikely to come to fruition - it’s clearly a cynical stunt designed to regain some of its lost support in a desperate effort to cling on to power.
What dark cloud?It must be difficult constantly living under a dark cloud.
Give over Dave.Why aren't the French patrolling their coastline?
They could/should stop all these boats fairly easily I would think.
Countries who could put France under the spotlight?Because we left the EU so no longer have any voice or power to put pressure on France to do anything about it. Previously we had 26 other allied countries who could put France under the spotlight. Now, it's an opportunity to disperse the problem outside of the EU. They were never going to look this particular gift horse in the mouth.
Voters were warned this would happen but just labelled it Project Fear.
Good God. No wonder people voted the way they did if that kind of thinking is still being peddled.Countries who could put France under the spotlight?
France and Germany run the EU that’s one of the reasons we left.
Little old us eh? But hang on they need us more than we need them.Countries who could put France under the spotlight?
France and Germany run the EU that’s one of the reasons we left.
What about Hungary they on the EU naughty list I believe for standing up to EU bullshit laws over loads of things. Next country to vote leave lump on.Good God. No wonder people voted the way they did if that kind of thinking is still being peddled.
EU members are comprised of one minister from each EU country and the Presidency rotates every six months.
You can’t criticise the EU it’s not allowed on here anymore.What about Hungary they on the EU naughty list I believe for standing up to EU bullshit laws over loads of things. Next country to vote leave lump on.
Need and ambulance? - wait an hour
Hospitalised ?- good luck
Food prices soaring? - eat a 30p meal
Mortgage gone up by 100%? - cut back
Want a decent level of funding for schools? -nah
Want a dentist? -no chance
Getting a train ?- don't bother
Been burgled? - we'll get back to you
Paying more tax than ever before?- too right you are
Fancy a swim in a river or the sea? - see hospitalised
Want a salad? - eat a turnip
STOP THE BOATS
I'm voting tory again
Nailed itSerco paid millions for putting them up and processing them. Amazing how so many politicians have shares in the company!
And how many of them were returning overseas students?In the year up to June 2022, the UK Net Migration was a record high of over half a million. So you can't take one aspect of immigration, and compare it in isolation to emigration figures as it serves no logical purpose. It comparing apples with eggs.
Again, with respect, you're incredibly selective on what you wish to acknowledge.
We've still no clue on what your approach to this should be. Open doors, a limit, no-limit, or only when we have job vacancies, or only if the numbers coming in don't exceed the emigration figures.
I've been clear. The boat-crossings are inhumane, dangerous, criminal and see people being exploited. The numbers keep going up, so something has to be done. You're selective stat to put things in perspective doesn't at all mean anything or tell us what you would do when the numbers rise again and blow the emigration figure ....out of the water.
And how many of them were returning overseas students?
As for boats. Who's been in power for 13 years? Who has overseen the collapse of the vetting and processing system? Why will this work when similar schemes haven't? Why do the people of this country seem to think that we're the only place that takes refugees? Miniscule compared to France, Turkey and Germany.
I think your earlier comments slagging the Government off on waiting times clearly makes this a political debate and not a humanitarian one which you are now trying to sell us with the above video/comments.
To extrapolate your point, can we assume that skanky north-western bastards will stay the feck out of the south east and stick to pulling up vegetables in muddy Lancastrian fieldsI’ve a problem with …. encouraging economic migrants.