Will anything change Critch cynics minds?

FedoraExplorer

FedoraExplorer

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I read loads of stuff from Blackpool fans, not only on here, and I find the anti-Critch stuff a bit strange because of the love in fans seem to have with him at BR (or is that only because we win more at home).
So out of interest, is that it - will Critch never win those fans over or is there something he can change which would bring them round?
 
There's a fairly small amount of 'anti-Critch' people who are high-volume posters across forums and social media.

It gives a distorted impression because most people are pretty happy, or at least indifferent enough to not be posting about it 5 times a day. Negativity drives online consumption.

As you say yourself, if you surround yourself with fans at the ground, the picture is overall a lot more positive.
 
FedoraExplorer said:
I read loads of stuff from Blackpool fans, not only on here, and I find the anti-Critch stuff a bit strange because of the love in fans seem to have with him at BR (or is that only because we win more at home).
So out of interest, is that it - will Critch never win those fans over or is there something he can change which would bring them round?
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The miserable fuckers who have such a visceral problem with Critchley should look at themselves and think about what it is that is wrong in their lives that is leading them to vent at him.

There is no point in life wasting precious energy over that which you have no control.
 
This season we have seen very good performances, tedious performances and atrocious performances away from home.

I get as frustrated as the next man when it’s not good and it is sometimes fuckn frustrating but there is no doubt in my mind that to change manager now would just set us back another possibly 10 months.

It will be slow burner to get the haters on board but if things continue to improve and by some minor miracle we were to get promoted then people would obviously warm to him.

It’s a process…
 
I'm not anti Critch but whatever we are doing at home, is working.

Whatever we are doing away. Isn't working. So why not switch it up? try 4-3-3 for a game, we're losing anyway so why not? What's the harm?

It's the relentlessness in repetition of things that do not work that really winds me up with him. We saw it with Connolly for a large part of the start of the season. We're seeing it with CJ now. Outrageously out of form.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I'm not anti Critch but whatever we are doing at home, is working.

Whatever we are doing away. Isn't working. So why not switch it up? try 4-3-3 for a game, we're losing anyway so why not? What's the harm?

It's the relentlessness in repetition of things that do not work that really winds me up with him. We saw it with Connolly for a large part of the start of the season. We're seeing it with CJ now. Outrageously out of form.
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Relentless repetition? Connolly hasn't played LWB for months.

CJ played as part of a front three on Saturday to accommodate Gabriel. That's Critchley mixing it up. And we all know that you don't see the value in CJ that many others do so your always going to pounce when he has a couple of poor games.
 
I honestly don't think anybody 'hates' NC, they don't know him personally, so how can they?
Some supporters mix up criticism of how NC (& his coaches) go about their job with 'hatred', which is not constructive & serves to be divisive or stifle debate.
Some supporters also criticise SS and the way he runs our club. Do they 'hate' him too? I don't think so.
 
cside said:
There's a fairly small amount of 'anti-Critch' people who are high-volume posters across forums and social media.

It gives a distorted impression because most people are pretty happy, or at least indifferent enough to not be posting about it 5 times a day. Negativity drives online consumption.

As you say yourself, if you surround yourself with fans at the ground, the picture is overall a lot more positive.
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Unless you've watched them away
 
Truth in both positions I think. CJ has obviously contributed to both the positive and negatives sides of our season to date.

Critch is obviously a far better head coach for our club in 224 than the likes of Appleton and McCarthy. We are stable and doing not too bad, and probably improving.

I have mostly supported NC since he first appeared at Bloomfield Rd but some stuff deserves and needs questioning. We've played a back three with wing backs for six months now, with no respite. Despite having to play people out of position in the wing back roles, and despite having nobody who is well suited to the central role in the back three. Thus we are wasting the talents of Ekpiteta, who is a very good L1 centre back. Lyons has not had a run of games and is a natural wing back.

In the attacking third we've had a lot of Carey, CJ and Dale creating remarkably little with all the possession we've had. And decided not to have a look at Apter in January.

I tend to believe that you pick your best players in positions they are most comfortable, fill them with confidence, and let the rest sort itself out. NC seems stuck in a training methodology that blinds or straitjackets us and leaves players with self doubt and out of their comfort zones. Laying by rote, rather than by instinct and according to their personal strengths. If you pick your best players in their best positions and you have gaps or weaknesses, then you strengthen those positions when you can.

But we can put out a strong XI, with none of the issues, with the squad we have. If we go to a back four. The back three just hasn't worked well enough. And we've had very little quality service into the strikers from out wide. Most of the time.
 
TheLuker said:
Relentless repetition? Connolly hasn't played LWB for months.

CJ played as part of a front three on Saturday to accommodate Gabriel. That's Critchley mixing it up. And we all know that you don't see the value in CJ that many others do so your always going to pounce when he has a couple of poor games.
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The criticism is then that he's always changing and tinkering.
 
The problem is some set up camp to be against him right from the off and will struggle to shift from that. Therefor it’s look for every negative they can find.
There was plenty to pick holes in his management last time but it was nowhere near as vocal as it is now because people were supportive of the appointment initially first time round and took to him.
 
TheLuker said:
The miserable fuckers who have such a visceral problem with Critchley should look at themselves and think about what it is that is wrong in their lives that is leading them to vent at him.

There is no point in life wasting precious energy over that which you have no control.
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you stupid pilloxk. Every time you re-act and post in reply to some-one then you are wasting energy because perhaps it escapes your grasp that you have no control over what others say and do. So your comments are very much pot kettle and black. Miserable fucker, get a life.
 
FedoraExplorer said:
I read loads of stuff from Blackpool fans, not only on here, and I find the anti-Critch stuff a bit strange because of the love in fans seem to have with him at BR (or is that only because we win more at home).
So out of interest, is that it - will Critch never win those fans over or is there something he can change which would bring them round?
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He has to play people in correct positions, drop underperformers, and go for wins. The squad is good enough to be challenging autos but many games we barely register a shot on target.
I just see an arrogant man who knows better than us, who refuses to see he is at least part of the problem
 
Nothing against Critchley personally and couldn't give a crap about him leaving previously. I just find this formation hideous and something I just can't relate to. It just feels like a complete waste of time supporting the team at home knowing we will lose away. I am bewildered why he hasn't tried to change things away from home.

I am very close to packing it in for this season as struggling to support something I really don't believe in.
 
20togo said:
you stupid pilloxk. Every time you re-act and post in reply to some-one then you are wasting energy because perhaps it escapes your grasp that you have no control over what others say and do. So your comments are very much pot kettle and black. Miserable fucker, get a life.
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Interesting take, Mrs Robinson.

The whole point of a messageboard is to interact and in doing so views may change - I know that mine do sometimes.

Now, looking at your history, you seem like a bit of an old bugger who holds a lot of intransigent opinions, so I'm not surprised that you are of the viewpoint that people's opinions cannot be altered by being challenged.

My point about wasting energy over things in which people have no control clearly related to Critchley. There is no point people ranting and raving on here about him because he likely won't see it, or care if he did see it, as a messageboard like this is for sad cases such as us, not managers of professional football teams.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
Nothing against Critchley personally and couldn't give a crap about him leaving previously. I just find this formation hideous and something I just can't relate to. It just feels like a complete waste of time supporting the team at home knowing we will lose away. I am bewildered why he hasn't tried to change things away from home.

I am very close to packing it in for this season as struggling to support something I really don't believe in.
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The formation is a red herring given how fluid during the match the formation is.

You have decided to focus your angst on the formation. If we played with 4 at the back you would focus on something else as many did when we played with 4 at the back.

If you aren't enjoying it, then take some time out. That has to be better than venting on here multiple times a day.
 
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TheLuker said:
The formation is a red herring given how fluid during the match the formation is.

You have de ide to focus your angst on the formation
If we had 4 at the back you would focus on something else as many did when we played with 4 at the back.

If you aren't enjoying it, then take some time out. That has to be better than venting on here multiple times a day.
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Sick to death of hearing these words, fluid, transitional.... it's League One football! The formation and the tactics are the root cause of our problems especially away from home.
 
tangysider said:
He has to play people in correct positions, drop underperformers, and go for wins. The squad is good enough to be challenging autos but many games we barely register a shot on target.
I just see an arrogant man who knows better than us, who refuses to see he is at least part of the problem
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Define correct positions.
 
TheLuker said:
Interesting take, Mrs Robinson.

The whole point of a messageboard is to interact and in doing so views may change - I know that mine do sometimes.

Now, looking at your history, you seem like a bit of an old bugger who holds a lot of intransigent opinions, so I'm not surprised that you are of the viewpoint that people's opinions cannot be altered by being challenged.

My point about wasting energy over things in which people have no control clearly related to Critchley. There is no point people ranting and raving on here about him because he likely won't see it, or care if he did see it, as a messageboard like this is for sad cases such as us, not managers of professional football teams.
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not sure you get the idea of what message boards are for. I think this is exactly the right place for people to express their opinions be they be angry frustated or whatever type of emotion you care to name including all the positive ones. We know managers, players etc won't see it so what are you suggesting. We should all keep quiet and only vent our feelings at the games themselves when we see things we strongly disagree with. And because of that it's only natural that people will have arguments, fall out and disagree with one another. If you can't hack it then maybe football and message boards are not for you.
 
20togo said:
not sure you get the idea of what message boards are for. I think this is exactly the right place for people to express their opinions be they be angry frustated or whatever type of emotion you care to name including all the positive ones. We know managers, players etc won't see it so what are you suggesting. We should all keep quiet and only vent our feelings at the games themselves when we see things we strongly disagree with. And because of that it's only natural that people will have arguments, fall out and disagree with one another. If you can't hack it then maybe football and message boards are not for you.
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Some players definitely see it. One used to post on here back in the day.
 
20togo said:
not sure you get the idea of what message boards are for. I think this is exactly the right place for people to express their opinions be they be angry frustated or whatever type of emotion you care to name including all the positive ones. We know managers, players etc won't see it so what are you suggesting. We should all keep quiet and only vent our feelings at the games themselves when we see things we strongly disagree with. And because of that it's only natural that people will have arguments, fall out and disagree with one another. If you can't hack it then maybe football and message boards are not for you.
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Not sure what leads you to believe that I can't hack it as I thoroughly enjoy calling out some of the bollocks that I read on here.

I seem to have got under your skin though with the insults that you have directed at me. Take a beta-blocker, check the pacemaker and have a lie-down because you're too old to be The Boxer and too young for The Sounds of Silence.
 
TheLuker said:
Not sure what leads you to believe that I can't hack it as I thoroughly enjoy calling out some of the bollocks that I read on here.

I seem to have got under your skin though with the insults that you have directed at me. Take a beta-blocker, check the pacemaker and have a lie-down because you're too old to be The Boxer and too young for The Sounds of Silence.
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It's you who comes out with more than most. As for the rest of your nonsense, when you continue to talk crap, i'll contine to tell you. Rest assured of that.
 
TheLuker said:
Relentless repetition? Connolly hasn't played LWB for months.

CJ played as part of a front three on Saturday to accommodate Gabriel. That's Critchley mixing it up. And we all know that you don't see the value in CJ that many others do so your always going to pounce when he has a couple of poor games.
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To be fair to SeasideKurt, he's hardly in what you might rather generously call a 'minority' with regard to his views on CJ, is he? And don't even get me started on his assessment of Connolly ...
 
Some of the posters on here just need something to complain about, no matter what the situation is
Some are just on the wind up and say things, just to cause a reaction
Some are really articulate, intelligent and can back up their own arguments with facts and reasoning
Some posters could bore the dead
Some just need to get out of the house more.

But most of us have had an argument with 20's......It's like a welcome to AVFTT that everyone gets
 
I didn't want him back but I did accept it, but the guy is digging his own grave with his rigidness with system and personnel.
He may have lost me completely very soon as the playoffs must be a must for any way the season would not be deemed a failure for me tinpot cup final or not.

I think his stubbornness is his downfall now and I think he must now think if I change now and it works he will get slaughtered for costing us, has it got to that point with CJ and persisting with him when 90% of the time he is a fish out of water.

Quote CJ's stats all you like and I say what could they have been out wide without having to worry about defensive duties?

I really do think I hate Critchley now and it's not a word I like to use he is damaging CJ and I guess the morale of the players who can play wing-back and in a front 3 where Critchley has shoehorned him into of late.

There is just so much wrong and a system should suit the players we have and we do have the quality throughout the squad to do his system(at a push) but he won't pick the best players to do it barring the early cup games where we actually looked more balanced.

Something has to give or SS needs to have a word......
 
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Simonized said:
I didn't want him back but I did accept it, but the guy is digging his own grave with his rigidness with system and personnel.
He may have lost me completely very soon as the playoffs must be a must for any way the season would not be deemed a failure for me tinpot cup final or not.

I think his stubbornness is his downfall now and I think he must now think if I change now and it works he will get slaughtered for costing us, has it got to that point with CJ and persisting with him when 90% of the time he is a fish out of water.

Quote CJ's stats all you like and I say what could they have been out wide without having to worry about defensive duties?

I really do think I hate Critchley now and it's not a word I like to use he is damaging CJ and I guess the morale of the players who can play wing-back and in a front 3 where Critchley has shoehorned into of late.

There is just so much wrong and a system should suit the players we have and we do have the quality throughout the squad to do his system(at a push) but he won't pick the best players to do it barring the early cup games where we actually looked more balanced.

Something has to give or SS needs to have a word......
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That’s just it though. Let him dig his own grave.
It’s not about defending away performances, I am the first to voice how bad they are.
But let’s just give the process a chance to someone who has delivered success previously and not get rid 6 months into a 4 year contract.
I suppose I’m saying let’s just give Sadler and Crichley the benefit of the doubt at the moment and see what happens over the rest of this season at the very least.
 
20togo said:
you stupid pilloxk. Every time you re-act and post in reply to some-one then you are wasting energy because perhaps it escapes your grasp that you have no control over what others say and do. So your comments are very much pot kettle and black. Miserable fucker, get a life.
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You OK hun?
 
Simonized said:
I didn't want him back but I did accept it, but the guy is digging his own grave with his rigidness with system and personnel.
He may have lost me completely very soon as the playoffs must be a must for any way the season would not be deemed a failure for me tinpot cup final or not.

I think his stubbornness is his downfall now and I think he must now think if I change now and it works he will get slaughtered for costing us, has it got to that point with CJ and persisting with him when 90% of the time he is a fish out of water.

Quote CJ's stats all you like and I say what could they have been out wide without having to worry about defensive duties?

I really do think I hate Critchley now and it's not a word I like to use he is damaging CJ and I guess the morale of the players who can play wing-back and in a front 3 where Critchley has shoehorned him into of late.

There is just so much wrong and a system should suit the players we have and we do have the quality throughout the squad to do his system(at a push) but he won't pick the best players to do it barring the early cup games where we actually looked more balanced.

Something has to give or SS needs to have a word......
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To summarise your longish post, you "hate" Critchley because of the system plays?!

That is crazy talk.
 
TheLuker said:
The formation is a red herring given how fluid during the match the formation is.

You have decided to focus your angst on the formation. If we played with 4 at the back you would focus on something else as many did when we played with 4 at the back.

If you aren't enjoying it, then take some time out. That has to be better than venting on here multiple times a day.
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Spot on Luker, I posted recently about formations and made that very point that formations go out out of the window when the game starts and I used Arsenal v Liverpool as an example.
All teams get out of formation during a game but unfortunately certain posters like The Grim Reaper cannot get their heads round it and so use their ignorance of the game as an excuse to berate the manager.

And you are also spot on that the Reaper will find fault with something else if we regularly played 4 at the back.
 
FedoraExplorer said:
I read loads of stuff from Blackpool fans, not only on here, and I find the anti-Critch stuff a bit strange because of the love in fans seem to have with him at BR (or is that only because we win more at home).
So out of interest, is that it - will Critch never win those fans over or is there something he can change which would bring them round?
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Just what this board needs, another run chase thread about Critch.......
 
Simonized said:
I didn't want him back but I did accept it, but the guy is digging his own grave with his rigidness with system and personnel.
He may have lost me completely very soon as the playoffs must be a must for any way the season would not be deemed a failure for me tinpot cup final or not.

I think his stubbornness is his downfall now and I think he must now think if I change now and it works he will get slaughtered for costing us, has it got to that point with CJ and persisting with him when 90% of the time he is a fish out of water.

Quote CJ's stats all you like and I say what could they have been out wide without having to worry about defensive duties?

I really do think I hate Critchley now and it's not a word I like to use he is damaging CJ and I guess the morale of the players who can play wing-back and in a front 3 where Critchley has shoehorned him into of late.

There is just so much wrong and a system should suit the players we have and we do have the quality throughout the squad to do his system(at a push) but he won't pick the best players to do it barring the early cup games where we actually looked more balanced.

Something has to give or SS needs to have a word......
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CJ stats are thrown at you as they are very good and not based on opinion. You'd have to be simple Simon not to see it. He has good and bad games like everybody else but you are frankly very weirdly obsessed with him. Hate is a word I suspect you use more than you care to admit. Another fact, Critch up for manager of the month for Jan. Nice.
 
Razzledazzle53 said:
CJ stats are thrown at you as they are very good and not based on opinion. You'd have to be simple Simon not to see it. He has good and bad games like everybody else but you are frankly very weirdly obsessed with him. Hate is a word I suspect you use more than you care to admit. Another fact, Critch up for manager of the month for Jan. Nice.
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the key point which you kinda fail to mention is that his bad games considerably outnumber his good ones to the point that it ain't that close.
 
20togo said:
the key point which you kinda fail to mention is that his bad games considerably outnumber his good ones to the point that it ain't that close.
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I disagree and the stats will back that up. You are 1 of the 3 or 4 vocal CJ bashers though so we might as well leave the argument there.
 
Well I rest all the blame on Kenny. Everything was fine, and this forum was a happier place until he decided to jet off to Thailand 😂
 
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