Kicked off in hospitality

seasider1634

seasider1634

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Did anyone see what happened in hospitality? Not long into the game a man started violently shouting at someone else in hospitality. Everyone and their kids in block Q turned around in shock, it wasn’t nice.
 
seasider1634 said:
It was the same bloke that everyone saw on TV when the Forest player kicked the ball into the crowd. He came running down to give it the biggen
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The guy shouting was the box holder in number 11 I think, he came in to apologise to us at half time because he had believed us to be away fans causing trouble not home fans celebrating. The lad you say who ran down giving it the biggun was actually trying to explain that to him at the time because the kids in his box were getting upset. Maybe Raging Bill who was in the same box and came to have a word with us as well can back me up on this 👍🏼
 
Yep, there was a few Trotters fans celebrating … passions running high on both sides.

We’ve had problems with away fans up there before - Southampton and Watford spring to mind …
 
seasider1634 said:
It was the same bloke that everyone saw on TV when the Forest player kicked the ball into the crowd. He came running down to give it the biggen
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He was the same bloke giving it real grief at Middlesbrough last season to some fellow Seasiders. Temper problems?
 
Jesus I think we were the only Pool fans in hospitality at WBA when they scored a last minute winner. We had the best day out ever and their fans were brilliant to us. Despite a well known PA announcer jumping up and going mental when Marv equalised.
 
Old_Laytonian said:
West Paddock Casual is a rather excitable chap. He did have a point against Forest when the player blasted the ball into the crowd in a fit of pique.
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Let's get wpc back on the forum and have a bit of balance.

Always good listening to his views on matters and his tips on the football.

I seem to remember that he was an expert on Welsh football.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Hospitality is about corporate entertainment… Not ‘home fans’… If people want to be territorial, then they need to head for the stands surely?
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I don’t think anyone is saying that corporate should be a complete no go for away fans
And I don’t think the odd away guest on Saturday would be an issue either
Let’s remember though this game warranted the highest police presence in recent memory
Why ? Because of the risks associated with it being a highly charged Derby with past history
We saw what happened in the North in game
On that basis I’m not sure having two boxes that seem to have been made up of a significant proportion of away fans and a full table in the lounge where the dress code home fans have to abide by was seemingly waived ( making them more conspicuous ) was a great idea just like the Nobbers wouldn’t allow it with us and using the WBA example they wouldn’t let it happen with Wolves
Whilst there’s the usual reference to the stereotyoe of ‘ the prawn sandwich brigade ‘ the reality is many are just lads from the stands on a treat and as such making a full day of it and as such perhaps more likely to have consumed more alcohol than usual
What if they’d won and started giving it large on the balcony or back in the lounge ?
That was the risk and one that in my view wasn’t worth taking
As I said on the podcast thread we should have discussed at the end not the beginning of the show as with hindsight it detracted from starting on a positive but that wasn’t planned it just happened
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
I don’t think anyone is saying that corporate should be a complete no go for away fans
And I don’t think the odd away guest on Saturday would be an issue either
Let’s remember though this game warranted the highest police presence in recent memory
Why ? Because of the risks associated with it being a highly charged Derby with past history
We saw what happened in the North in game
On that basis I’m not sure having two boxes that seem to have been made up of a significant proportion of away fans and a full table in the lounge where the dress code home fans have to abide by was seemingly waived ( making them more conspicuous ) was a great idea just like the Nobbers wouldn’t allow it with us and using the WBA example they wouldn’t let it happen with Wolves
Whilst there’s the usual reference to the stereotyoe of ‘ the prawn sandwich brigade ‘ the reality is many are just lads from the stands on a treat and as such making a full day of it and as such perhaps more likely to have consumed more alcohol than usual
What if they’d won and started giving it large on the balcony or back in the lounge ?
That was the risk and one that in my view wasn’t worth taking
As I said on the podcast thread we should have discussed at the end not the beginning of the show as with hindsight it detracted from starting on a positive but that wasn’t planned it just happened
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As far as the podcast is concerned though - who cares?

It just left us all yawning for half an hour!!!

Whether at the end or the beginning, it’s just boring nonsense tbh.
 
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Not watched it yet but you'd have thought the bigger talking point was the supposed Blackpool fan in the North bringing in Bolton fans then ending up in A&E?

That's what was all over social media, our WhatsApp group where talking about and my son's who has many pool fans in it also.

No one gives a toss about corporate.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
I don’t think anyone is saying that corporate should be a complete no go for away fans
And I don’t think the odd away guest on Saturday would be an issue either
Let’s remember though this game warranted the highest police presence in recent memory
Why ? Because of the risks associated with it being a highly charged Derby with past history
We saw what happened in the North in game
On that basis I’m not sure having two boxes that seem to have been made up of a significant proportion of away fans and a full table in the lounge where the dress code home fans have to abide by was seemingly waived ( making them more conspicuous ) was a great idea just like the Nobbers wouldn’t allow it with us and using the WBA example they wouldn’t let it happen with Wolves
Whilst there’s the usual reference to the stereotyoe of ‘ the prawn sandwich brigade ‘ the reality is many are just lads from the stands on a treat and as such making a full day of it and as such perhaps more likely to have consumed more alcohol than usual
What if they’d won and started giving it large on the balcony or back in the lounge ?
That was the risk and one that in my view wasn’t worth taking
As I said on the podcast thread we should have discussed at the end not the beginning of the show as with hindsight it detracted from starting on a positive but that wasn’t planned it just happened
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Our own fans can be as dickish as the next man when it comes to their behaviour and plenty of them could start a fight in an empty room, especially when they’ve had a few too many.

Corporate is about entertaining business clients and suppliers really. Not for tipping up with your mates on a piss up and that applies to all fans. To that extent groups of opposing fans (but not individuals or small groups of away fans being entertained by sponsors) should not be allowed.

If there’s a dress code it needs to be adhered to. If it wasn’t, then the Club need to reinforce the importance of it to the staff policing the corporate area.

Thats it really… It’s no big deal… Much like the minor incident of handbags in the North Stand.

Did the Bolton Fans in the corporate area actually cause any trouble.. beyond their presence raising the heckles of a few BFC Fans?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Our own fans can be as dickish as the next man when it comes to their behaviour and plenty of them could start a fight in an empty room, especially when they’ve had a few too many.

Corporate is about entertaining business clients and suppliers really. Not for tipping up with your mates on a piss up and that applies to all fans. To that extent groups of opposing fans (but not individuals or small groups of away fans being entertained by sponsors) should not be allowed.

If there’s a dress code it needs to be adhered to. If it wasn’t, then the Club need to reinforce the importance of it to the staff policing the corporate area.

Thats it really… It’s no big deal… Much like the minor incident of handbags in the North Stand.

Did the Bolton Fans in the corporate area actually cause any trouble.. beyond their presence raising the heckles of a few BFC Fans?
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Does that first paragraph apply to yourself as well Bifster or have you just got your preachers hat on this morning?
 
poolseasider said:
Not watched it yet but you'd have thought the bigger talking point was the supposed Blackpool fan in the North bringing in Bolton fans then ending up in A&E?

That's what was all over social media, our WhatsApp group where talking about and my son's who has many pool fans in it also.

No one gives a toss about corporate.
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It was a combination of the two that was discussed for about 10mins at the beginning
 
Martonmosser said:
Does that first paragraph apply to yourself as well Bifster or have you just got your preachers hat on this morning?
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😂

I’d happily wear any hat that fits. However I’m talking in general terms here. I have seen it kick off (in corporate) between Blackpool Fans as well as drunken behaviour, so no away fans involved.

Personally though I think that you have to drop certain more ‘territorial’ attitudes at the doorstep when you enter that area.

So if an away supporter celebrating a goal makes you feel uneasy or angry / aggressive, then it’s best to steer clear.

I can honestly say mate (hand on my sacred heart) that I would comfortably mingle with away fans in corporate and take no offence at them celebrating a goal at all.

Fair enough, if someone spat in my face or tipped a drink over my head or worse still, shat in my crocs, then I might get a bit chippy, but other than that I’m all good 👍
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
😂

I’d happily wear any hat that fits. However I’m talking in general terms here. I have seen it kick off (in corporate) between Blackpool Fans as well as drunken behaviour, so no away fans involved.

Personally though I think that you have to drop certain more ‘territorial’ attitudes at the doorstep when you enter that area.

So if an away supporter celebrating a goal makes you feel uneasy or angry / aggressive, then it’s best to steer clear.

I can honestly say mate (hand on my sacred heart) that I would comfortably mingle with away fans in corporate and take no offence at them celebrating a goal at all.

Fair enough, if someone spat in my face or tipped a drink over my head or worse still, shat in my crocs, then I might get a bit chippy, but other than that I’m all good 👍
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The admission of wearing 'crocs' should see you banned from all areas of Bloomers ever again 😁
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Our own fans can be as dickish as the next man when it comes to their behaviour and plenty of them could start a fight in an empty room, especially when they’ve had a few too many.

Corporate is about entertaining business clients and suppliers really. Not for tipping up with your mates on a piss up and that applies to all fans. To that extent groups of opposing fans (but not individuals or small groups of away fans being entertained by sponsors) should not be allowed.

If there’s a dress code it needs to be adhered to. If it wasn’t, then the Club need to reinforce the importance of it to the staff policing the corporate area.

Thats it really… It’s no big deal… Much like the minor incident of handbags in the North Stand.

Did the Bolton Fans in the corporate area actually cause any trouble.. beyond their presence raising the heckles of a few BFC Fans?
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You and I know both know corporate isn’t just used by businesses entertaining their suppliers

We also know Bolton fans have form for kicking off in corporate - a few years ago now admittedly but nevertheless a known risk

Whether anything happened or not the risk was there and IMO is wasn’t one to have taken

Anyway I’ve had my say and have work to do
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Our own fans can be as dickish as the next man when it comes to their behaviour and plenty of them could start a fight in an empty room, especially when they’ve had a few too many.

Corporate is about entertaining business clients and suppliers really. Not for tipping up with your mates on a piss up and that applies to all fans. To that extent groups of opposing fans (but not individuals or small groups of away fans being entertained by sponsors) should not be allowed.

If there’s a dress code it needs to be adhered to. If it wasn’t, then the Club need to reinforce the importance of it to the staff policing the corporate area.

Thats it really… It’s no big deal… Much like the minor incident of handbags in the North Stand.

Did the Bolton Fans in the corporate area actually cause any trouble.. beyond their presence raising the heckles of a few BFC Fans?
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From what I saw BFC x 3 they jumped up and down as fans do when their team scored and celebrated their teams goal which is understandable.

The problem is people in corporate areas have easy access to alcohol and as we all know people who get drunk often become different people and behave in a way they wouldn't do when sober and celebrations can then lead to them flicking the V's and wanker signs at opposing fans and naturally they are going to get a response like they did on Saturday when Mosser's box and them traded insults.

Like I mentioned the box I was in had women and children in attendance and the box holder quite rightly expects inviting his wife and kids and grandkids to be in a safe area in corporate hospitality and not be subjected to fully grown men trading insults and almost coming to blows.

I see there are differing views on whether the club should allow fans to mix in close proximity to each other in the corporate area of the club, however for me it's a no go especially when we play close rivals like Bolton as there is history going back many years now, but even if it was a team from far afield where there is no previous history, if you get a dozen lads full of alcohol in a box or on a table it only takes one in that group to cause trouble by giving it large if his team scores and in every group of lads there is usually one who can't take his drink and behave himself.

I've been around long enough to recall one person get a whole group of lads either beaten up, ejected from licensed premises or arrested because he started trouble and then everyone then gets embroiled in it.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
You and I know both know corporate isn’t just used by businesses entertaining their suppliers

We also know Bolton fans have form for kicking off in corporate - a few years ago now admittedly but nevertheless a known risk

Whether anything happened or not the risk was there and IMO is wasn’t one to have taken

Anyway I’ve had my say and have work to do
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So the big story of the day is that ‘nothing actually happened in corporate, but it might have’ 😂

I’ll let the BBC know 👍
 
Raging_Bull said:
From what I saw BFC x 3 they jumped up and down as fans do when their team scored and celebrated their teams goal which is understandable.

The problem is people in corporate areas have easy access to alcohol and as we all know people who get drunk often become different people and behave in a way they wouldn't do when sober and celebrations can then lead to them flicking the V's and wanker signs at opposing fans and naturally they are going to get a response like they did on Saturday when Mosser's box and them traded insults.

Like I mentioned the box I was in had women and children in attendance and the box holder quite rightly expects inviting his wife and kids and grandkids to be in a safe area in corporate hospitality and not be subjected to fully grown men trading insults and almost coming to blows.

I see there are differing views on whether the club should allow fans to mix in close proximity to each other in the corporate area of the club, however for me it's a no go especially when we play close rivals like Bolton as there is history going back many years now, but even if it was a team from far afield where there is no previous history, if you get a dozen lads full of alcohol in a box or on a table it only takes one in that group to cause trouble by giving it large if his team scores and in every group of lads there is usually one who can't take his drink and behave himself.

I've been around long enough to recall one person get a whole group of lads either beaten up, ejected from licensed premises or arrested because he started trouble and then everyone then gets embroiled in it.
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Which reading between the lines is what seems to have happened in the North
 
Raging_Bull said:
From what I saw BFC x 3 they jumped up and down as fans do when their team scored and celebrated their teams goal which is understandable.

The problem is people in corporate areas have easy access to alcohol and as we all know people who get drunk often become different people and behave in a way they wouldn't do when sober and celebrations can then lead to them flicking the V's and wanker signs at opposing fans and naturally they are going to get a response like they did on Saturday when Mosser's box and them traded insults.

Like I mentioned the box I was in had women and children in attendance and the box holder quite rightly expects inviting his wife and kids and grandkids to be in a safe area in corporate hospitality and not be subjected to fully grown men trading insults and almost coming to blows.

I see there are differing views on whether the club should allow fans to mix in close proximity to each other in the corporate area of the club, however for me it's a no go especially when we play close rivals like Bolton as there is history going back many years now, but even if it was a team from far afield where there is no previous history, if you get a dozen lads full of alcohol in a box or on a table it only takes one in that group to cause trouble by giving it large if his team scores and in every group of lads there is usually one who can't take his drink and behave himself.

I've been around long enough to recall one person get a whole group of lads either beaten up, ejected from licensed premises or arrested because he started trouble and then everyone then gets embroiled in it.
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I get all that RB, but personally I don’t think the issue is solved by blanket banning away fans mate.

I’ve been going in corporate for years and I’ve had plenty to drink in there and I’ve never felt the need to flick the ‘V’s or smack someone because they celebrate a goal ffs.

I’ve taken Customers in there who are from opposition teams and we’ve had banter at the table etc.. It’s what you do in those areas surely ?

I can fully appreciate that we don’t want groups of their fans booking into corporate, but to ban sponsors or local businesses from entertaining guests (Bolton Fsns or not) is not right in my opinion.

The way to deal with any issues should be exactly the same whether you’re a Blackpool Fan or a Fan of any other club. Act like a knob or be aggressive or abusive and you get ejected … and your party ‘leader’ should be worded.

I’d also add that I think the kind of pissed up behaviour you describe… those kind of individuals are going to likely find a source for trouble regardless… That might be kicking off with a waiter, shouting over-zealous abuse at the referee, arguing with other Blackpool Fans etc… The solution there is to eject for a one off and ban for repeat offenders.
 
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Much ado about nothing springs to mind.

It’s a practice used by all other clubs by the looks of it. It seems like another stick to try and beat the club with to me. I’m not getting any of this at all. Total waste of time and energy this discussion.

We beat Bolton 4-1 and all that’s being discussed is something that didn’t happen. Really ?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I get all that RB, but personally I don’t think the issue is solved by blanket banning away fans mate.

I’ve been going in corporate for years and I’ve had plenty to drink in there and I’ve never felt the need to flick the ‘V’s or smack someone because they celebrate a goal ffs.

I’ve taken Customers in there who are from opposition teams and we’ve had banter at the table etc.. It’s what you do in those areas surely ?

I can fully appreciate that we don’t want groups of their fans booking into corporate, but to ban sponsors or local businesses from entertaining guests (Bolton Fsns or not) is not right in my opinion.

The way to deal with any issues should be exactly the same whether you’re a Blackpool Fan or a Fan of any other club. Act like a knob or be aggressive or abusive and you get ejected … and your party ‘leader’ should be worded.
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Unfortunately BFC x 3 not all invited guests behave like you or me, for instance if you get one or two away fans on a table or in a box you rarely have an issue, its only a problem when you get large groups like there was on Saturday and there is always one that can't have a drink without behaving like a grade A bell end.

I recall many years ago going to York and staying over on the Saturday night after we played them with a group of a dozen or so Pool fans, the door staff kindly allowed our group in Yates by the river but we had one of our party getting lairy as the night progressed and more alcohol was consumed.

I had to have strong words with him about his behavour as quite honestly he was going to get the lot of us in bother with either the locals or the door staff and fortunately he piped down and we enjoyed a great night out without incident.

Numbers and alcohol is the issue, the more you have in a group of male only, the more likely you'll see trouble.
 
Raging_Bull said:
Unfortunately BFC x 3 not all invited guests behave like you or me, for instance if you get one or two away fans on a table or in a box you rarely have an issue, its only a problem when you get large groups like there was on Saturday and there is always one that can't have a drink without behaving like a grade A bell end.

I recall many years ago going to York and staying over on the Saturday night after we played them with a group of a dozen or so Pool fans, the door staff kindly allowed our group in Yates by the river but we had one of our party getting lairy as the night progressed and more alcohol was consumed.

I had to have strong words with him about his behavour as quite honestly he was going to get the lot of us in bother with either the locals or the door staff and fortunately he piped down and we enjoyed a great night out without incident.

Numbers and alcohol is the issue, the more you have in a group of male only, the more likely you'll see trouble.
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I get that, which is why I would agree with them banning large groups of opposition fans, but at the same time we can’t have people coming into corporate areas and ‘kicking off’ or abusing people just for celebrating a goal.

So to my mind you deal with the issue of the individual behaviour. It shouldn’t matter whether they are a Blackpool Fan or an opposition fan…

Banning opposition fans isn’t going to stop Blackpool Fans from getting pissed up and acting like morons mate. I was in there a while ago when a particular individual started getting a bit ‘over-familiar’ with a waitress after a few too many (resulting in a kick off). I’ve seen it kick off between two tables of Blackpool Fans arguing after a loss…

We can’t just blanket ban all away fans surely? I mean inviting opposing fans who are customers / suppliers of your business is a massive part of what people do… The club will likely lose sponsors if they start restricting them from inviting people.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I get that, which is why I would agree with them banning large groups of opposition fans, but at the same time we can’t have people coming into corporate areas and ‘kicking off’ or abusing people just for celebrating a goal.

So to my mind you deal with the issue of the individual behaviour. It shouldn’t matter whether they are a Blackpool Fan or an opposition fan…

Banning opposition fans isn’t going to stop Blackpool Fans from getting pissed up and acting like morons mate. I was in there a while ago when a particular individual started getting a bit ‘over-familiar’ with a waitress after a few too many (resulting in a kick off). I’ve seen it kick off between two tables of Blackpool Fans arguing after a loss…

We can’t just blanket ban all away fans surely? I mean inviting opposing fans who are customers / suppliers of your business is a massive part of what people do… The club will likely lose sponsors if they start restricting them from inviting people.
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Ban large groups are your words mate….. there was a table full in the main room and 2 boxes virtually full of them. Who sold them the tickets cos we can’t blame Karl Oyston for this one??
 
Martonmosser said:
Ban large groups are your words mate….. there was a table full in the main room and 2 boxes virtually full of them. Who sold them the tickets cos we can’t blame Karl Oyston for this one??
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RB seems to be suggesting (and I might be reading it wrong) that the Bolton Fans just celebrated a goal, which sparked an aggro reaction from our fans… So it doesn’t sound like they (the Bolton Group) were looking to cause trouble?
 
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