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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
On a serious note, the fact that many of us have managed to live normal functional lives, despite being abused in schools by these utter bellends that have been described in this thread is not really evidence that violence and abuse are appropriate or necessary.

Let's not forget that in many of our schools, churches, childrens homes, football clubs etc.. young kids were being seriously physically and sexually abused by these 'adults' or 'superiors' that we were told that we should respect and look up to. The lack of parental intervention and the willingness to simply accept 'authority' in an unquestioning way, to tolerate this type of fringe abusive behaviour was in no small part responsible for much of the abuse that went on.
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Your second paragraph I totally agree with but do you think the things that kids are getting away with both in school and on the streets today are acceptable ?
 
When I think back Warbreck had some seriously deranged teaching staff in the early 70s. Slipper or cane were both liberally used but a lot of them found that a good hard punch or two was equally effective as a means of control 👊👊😵
It's hard to believe what used to go on in school back then
 
Wizzerboy said:
Your second paragraph I totally agree with but do you think the things that kids are getting away with both in school and on the streets today are acceptable ?
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I don't think that unacceptable behaviour today is any more or less unacceptable than it was 20, 50, 100 years ago. I certainly see no evidence whatsoever to suggest that the type of abuse described in this thread was beneficial.

Fortunately we have far better standards today and we expect more from those in positions of authority.... Lessons learned through the terrible abuse of many thousands of innocent kids, who likely still live with the consequences today.

Education, opportunity, good role models etc.. are the key to improving behaviour.... Monkey see monkey do etc.. and so chucking stuff at kids in your class... No thanks
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
On a serious note, the fact that many of us have managed to live normal functional lives, despite being abused in schools by these utter bellends that have been described in this thread is not really evidence that violence and abuse are appropriate or necessary.

Let's not forget that in many of our schools, churches, childrens homes, football clubs etc.. young kids were being seriously physically and sexually abused by these 'adults' or 'superiors' that we were told that we should respect and look up to. The lack of parental intervention and the willingness to simply accept 'authority' in an unquestioning way, to tolerate this type of fringe abusive behaviour was in no small part responsible for much of the abuse that went on.
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I might not go as deep as you have here but I am definitely with the sentiment of what you have said on this thread.

An adult who has been given responsibility for a child should behave in an appropriate manner.

I'm not going to pretend that I was traumatised by anything that happened when I was at school but the behaviour of some of the teachers was nothing short of disgraceful and just should not have been accepted.

Yes, there is absolutely no doubt that the behaviour of some of the pupils was often unacceptable but surely we don't think that an adult should respond in an unacceptable manner when a child placed in their authority behaves in an unacceptable manner ?

I don't know the ins and outs of this recent case so I am not necessarily saying that I agree with the sacking but such behaviour can't be deemed acceptable - I'd have to know more about the specifics of the case to offer an opinion on exactly what level of misconduct and appropriate punishment but I'm finding it hard to believe the behaviour of the teacher is anything other than misconduct.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
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I might not go as deep as you have here but I am definitely with the sentiment of what you have said on this thread.

An adult who has been given responsibility for a child should behave in an appropriate manner.

I'm not going to pretend that I was traumatised by anything that happened when I was at school but the behaviour of some of the teachers was nothing short of disgraceful and just should not have been accepted.

Yes, there is absolutely no doubt that the behaviour of some of the pupils was often unacceptable but surely we don't think that an adult should respond in an unacceptable manner when a child placed in their authority behaves in an unacceptable manner ?

I don't know the ins and outs of this recent case so I am not necessarily saying that I agree with the sacking but such behaviour can't be deemed acceptable - I'd have to know more about the specifics of the case to offer an opinion on exactly what level of misconduct and appropriate punishment but I'm finding it hard to believe the behaviour of the teacher is anything other than misconduct.
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The thing is 2020, ws it any wonder that many of the kids in those days were being violent in schools...

Parents (even the decent ones) thought nothing of strapping kid with a leather belt or any other object that might come to hand. Teachers behaving like animals in the classroom etc..

I mean they are essentially being shown that violent, intimidatory and abusive behaviour is how you deal with any challenging situation. Don;t get your own way, then just hit someone or abuse them.

Fortunately, there were also a lot of very good teachers.... Teachers who could control even the most unruly kids without any need to resort to the kind of ridiculous stuff described on here. Those are the kinds of role models we want to be educating our kids👍
 
Wow. This has woken some camps up!

A lot of memories, some good, some bad and I think that applies to one and all. However, the actual naming of (bad?) teachers/school seems small. Thus, the majority must have ranged from forgettable to excellent.
 
Got the Cane many as times in High school! I always remember during winter time and it snowed & 6 of us went up to the Grammar school which was beside us at lunch-time and we were throwing Snow-balls at the Grammar ones and our teacher caught us and Marched us down to his classroom and he got the Cane out and said "Seeing that your hands are cold! Im going to warm them up ! 😂

One other Teacher had 5 canes in his cupboard & When you were about to get caned you had to pick a cane 😂
 
Dave62 said:
Think that was either Hinchliffe (science, mostly biology) or Barker,(maths)
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Nah, it was an arts teacher, cant remember his name for the life of me.
He was a bit of a hippy and played the guitar at assembly 🤣
Wicked with a rule though!!
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don't think that unacceptable behaviour today is any more or less unacceptable than it was 20, 50, 100 years ago. I certainly see no evidence whatsoever to suggest that the type of abuse described in this thread was beneficial.

Fortunately we have far better standards today and we expect more from those in positions of authority.... Lessons learned through the terrible abuse of many thousands of innocent kids, who likely still live with the consequences today.

Education, opportunity, good role models etc.. are the key to improving behaviour.... Monkey see monkey do etc.. and so chucking stuff at kids in your class... No thanks
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Well the monkeys have been watching for the last 30 years now and I personally cannot see any improvement in children's behaviour 🤷‍♂️
 
My son - dad the teacher threw a piece of cardboard at me today

Me - why son?

My son - because I was asleep in his class with my hoodie up, and I didn’t respond to 15 minutes of him trying to wake me

Me - did you hear him trying to wake you?

My son - yes, but I couldn’t be bothered

Me - do you think it’s respectful to behave like that in class?

My son - no dad it’s wrong, he shouldn’t have thrown it

Me - no son, I was referring to your behaviour - tomorrow we will go to school and apologise for your lack of respect to a teacher, who is trying to further your life chances (a teacher with a clean disciplinary record)

My son - you’re right dad, I shouldn’t have put him in that situation and I’m a dick (by the way my mates were also throwing paper at me)

The point here is that generally good and respectful kids do not behave in this way, or go crying to their parent / Carer. Good parents / carers do not respond as in this case. This is a green light to the boy to continue to behave as he has, and that he’s untouchable.

Now had the teacher thrown a board duster then that’s a different matter. For all we know, this teacher could be very laid back, and threw the cardboard not in anger, but to diffuse a difficult situation that was affecting the class.
 
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Wizzerboy said:
Well the monkeys have been watching for the last 30 years now and I personally cannot see any improvement in children's behaviour 🤷‍♂️
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Kids will always be kids, but certainly far more of them are now reaching a higher standard of education than 30-40 + years ago. That said, I do think the way we educate needs a wholesale shake up.
 
Dave62 said:
Was always a South Shore lad, so Roseacre and Highfield for me.

I can remember Mr Roberts, the headmaster at Roseacre, he used to use a cane across either your arse, or your hand. And that was the infants before you got near old Harris in the junior school. Maybe a bit before Seaside 1's time at Roseacre, as I was there at a similar time to Steamgun (66 - 73 in my case ).

At Highfield there was a teacher called Hillage (rape and pillage was his nickname). Apparently he liked to dig his knuckles into your head whilst calling you a numbskull. I wasn't in his class fortunately.. And then there was grumpy old Yates of course.
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Hinchcliffe fancied his chances at the canning Olympics' but fortunately for me never got the chance to apply bamboo to my trousers, I suffered Bill Yates once or twice. Funniest was the tech drawing teacher Mr Roberts who canned my mate for farting too many times in his lesson & threatened me if I didn't stop laughing. I vaguely remember Hillage, but can't picture him. Good old Highfield. There was a mild looking English Lit teacher called Rothwell, who snook up from behind & clouted me so hard I saw stars, only for telling someone a joke or something (now that was sackable) not a bit of rolled up cardboard 🙄
 
Headmaster George Halliday sat at his desk. Reach over dodgy_surname. Hands and face near his lap.😬
Deputy Charlie Stockton. 2 4 or 6 headmaster. 6!
70’s Monty with plenty of ruler.
We did kick down the paper sheds👍😜
 
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Pete Boustead, Eddie Thistlethwaite , Johnny Brookes, et al were great teachers if you were prepared to learn and engage and I did. If you couldn’t be arsed or took the piss you felt their pain. The one I hated was Popley, Physics, he whacked me one day and I was bruised for weeks !
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I wouldn't have done either no... Why would I want to embarrass the lad any more than was necessary.

Do you think chucking stuff at people is an appropriate way to deal with them and gain their respect?

How would you wake your child or your wife up? Would you stamp on their head... Maybe chuck a dustbin at them?

The thing is people all to quickly jump into "It wasn't like that in my day" mode and start talking about how ridiculous this bloke being sacked is, without actually stopping for a moment and thinking..

For a teacher to chuck something (anything) at a pupil is nothing short of idiotic... How anyone could ever think it remotely acceptable ever is beyond me.
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I would wake my wife up be caressing her hair.
You still haven't answered how you would wake up an incredibly rude kid up?
 
Must say those teachers of the 70's 80's would wipe the floor with these modern day teachers. It was a great school for sport, most teachers wanted to get involved in after school stuff. Then came sport for all and ruined the competitiveness.
 
All boys grammar. We had a teacher Mr Hughes who was a retired prop forward for Llanelli Scarlets or something.
He walked into our history lesson, told us to turn to page 395 and keep reading.
Anyway 2 minutes later we saw him out the window walking off down the road.
For some reason I thought it would be funny to follow him. 3 other lads went with us, and one of the twats tripped up going round a corner and he chased us. He pushed me up against a brick wall with a concrete edge and I started bleeding from the back of my head.
We resolved things with him offering to by me a Parker fountain pen and letting me off homework for the term😄
Poor guy would have got 5 years these days
 
FamousBlueandWhiteHalves said:
We had that too at Preston Catholic College . They were nicknamed ‘ cracks ‘ because of the noise the ferula made when it hit your hand . Usually doled out in threes , sixes , nines or twelves . Although from Accrington , my parents thought PCC rather than St Mary’s Blackburn was a better educational experience !
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Yep , that's the school ! Looks like I maybe have been at PCC just before you , I had quite a few Blue and White Halvers who I would call very good friends at that time .

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Victorsponge said:
I would wake my wife up be caressing her hair.
You still haven't answered how you would wake up an incredibly rude kid up?
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I’m not sure there’s anything to suggest this kid was ‘incredibly rude’. That’s just a conclusion that most of the meat heads, who agree with attacking the kid, have reached by themselves.

However, rude or not, if a child in my care fell asleep at their desk, I would go over to them and simply call their.name. If that didn’t wake them, then I’d leave them to sleep and tackle the situation in an appropriate way at another time.

I certainly wouldn’t seek to address the situation physically and the last thing I would do is start throwing items across a classroom…. Because that would show a loss of control, lack of judgement and zero professionalism.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m not sure there’s anything to suggest this kid was ‘incredibly rude’. That’s just a conclusion that most of the meat heads, who agree with attacking the kid, have reached by themselves.

However, rude or not, if a child in my care fell asleep at their desk, I would go over to them and simply call their.name. If that didn’t wake them, then I’d leave them to sleep and tackle the situation in an appropriate way at another time.

I certainly wouldn’t seek to address the situation physically and the last thing I would do is start throwing items across a classroom…. Because that would show a loss of control, lack of judgement and zero professionalism.
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We have to agree to differ on the rude aspect, in my opinion falling asleep when someone is talking is incredibly rude.
College is the step between school and the real world of employment, I'm not sure where you work but during my working life, if I had decided to take a snooze during my working day I'm pretty sure I would have been let go.
Please don't misunderstand me.
I was routinely hit at school, whilst it did me no harm I would have taken a dim view of someone hitting my kids, but I think comparing this guy lobbing a piece of cardboard at this lad with violence is a tad over the top.
 
Victorsponge said:
We have to agree to differ on the rude aspect, falling, in my opinion falling asleep when someone is talking is incredibly rude.
College is the step between school and the real world of employment, I'm not sure where you work but during working life, if I had decided to take a snooze during my working day I'm pretty sure I would have been let go.
Please don't misunderstand me.
I was routinely hit at school, whilst it did me no harm I would have taken a dim view of someone hitting my kids, but I think comparing this guy lobbing a piece of cardboard at this lad with violence is a tad over the top.
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It’s not about the item that you throw, it’s about the loss of control and total lack of judgment demonstrated by an individual who ought to be setting an example to his pupils.

In this case a court of appeal upheld the decision to sack the bloke and concluded the school / college had no alternative.

I agree…
 
Sooty59 said:
Hinchcliffe fancied his chances at the canning Olympics' but fortunately for me never got the chance to apply bamboo to my trousers, I suffered Bill Yates once or twice. Funniest was the tech drawing teacher Mr Roberts who canned my mate for farting too many times in his lesson & threatened me if I didn't stop laughing. I vaguely remember Hillage, but can't picture him. Good old Highfield. There was a mild looking English Lit teacher called Rothwell, who snook up from behind & clouted me so hard I saw stars, only for telling someone a joke or something (now that was sackable) not a bit of rolled up cardboard 🙄
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I’m a little bit older than some of you young’uns on here😉 So remember Miss Bloomer,(Keks) headmistress who was more menacing than all the men teachers put together! As for punishment Macfarland, Rothwells predecessor in English, used to put your head between his legs and batter your arse with a baseball bat! Rex Breeze used to thump yer ead with his wedding ring, Williams, German teacher used to call you ‘Dunderhead’ make his hand like a claw and bang on your head a few times! P.E. teacher Taylor used the plimsoll, Yates, one eyed Bates, Bert Watts, horrible Harold Hinchliffe, just used the bog standard cane on your out stretched hand or your arse! Tell that to kids today, and they won’t believe you! Aye.
 
Levi501 said:
I’m a little bit older than some of you young’uns on here😉 So remember Miss Bloomer,(Keks) headmistress who was more menacing than all the men teachers put together! As for punishment Macfarland, Rothwells predecessor in English, used to put your head between his legs and batter your arse with a baseball bat! Rex Breeze used to thump yer ead with his wedding ring, Williams, German teacher used to call you ‘Dunderhead’ make his hand like a claw and bang on your head a few times! P.E. teacher Taylor used the plimsoll, Yates, one eyed Bates, Bert Watts, horrible Harold Hinchliffe, just used the bog standard cane on your out stretched hand or your arse! Tell that to kids today, and they won’t believe you! Aye.
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It was a bit of a whack & clout fest in those days, but it did deter you somewhat from pissing about, clearly some of the antics were just wrong. It's just gone too far the other way nowadays & the result is very little discipline & respect.
Rex Breeze (I'd forgotten about him)I didn't know his first name TBH, he was in charge of careers near the end of my reign & the only thing I remember him saying to me was, "have you got a job" On reflection I don't suppose there was anything else to say, having answered yes. Yates made his peace with me during my last 6 months & was like a different person, after he thought he'd canned me in error. 😂
 
Victorsponge said:
We have to agree to differ on the rude aspect, in my opinion falling asleep when someone is talking is incredibly rude.
College is the step between school and the real world of employment, I'm not sure where you work but during my working life, if I had decided to take a snooze during my working day I'm pretty sure I would have been let go.
Please don't misunderstand me.
I was routinely hit at school, whilst it did me no harm I would have taken a dim view of someone hitting my kids, but I think comparing this guy lobbing a piece of cardboard at this lad with violence is a tad over the top.
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I thought sleeping was compulsory at work 😂
 
Collegiate in the 80's: Gowling was feared for his size 11 pump (& it hurt), but it was accepted in those days as he was a disciplinearian. Slater the Latin teacher was a vindictive fucker who twatted me around the face 'till I almost past out at the age of 12. But the one I hated most was Mr Baines who was all so nicey nicey with everyone, until he found himself alone with me in the concrete squash courts and punched me so hard in the stomach that I couldn't eat or hardly walk for days (I was 13 ffs). I've been waiting to meet that ** for years to no avail.
 
seasideone said:
Roseacre had the persuader which was a very large and thick ruler - I was was sent to have it once and threatened to hit the teacher with a chair - he backed down.

Now Warbreck was on another level….

Mr Whalley - nobody crossed him as he was really scary and would beat the living daylights out of you.

Chalk - teachers could hit you on the forehead on a single spin.

Chalk wooden board rubber - again they had a deadly accuracy that could hurt!

In wood work one teacher liked to throw chisels - reading that back now is scary 😳

Mr Bousted(?) our history teacher used to open the window on the second or third floor and hold you next to it threatening to throw you out.

Fallen(?) PE used to just make you run until you wanted to be sick - although I deliberately took him out in a tackle that stopped him playing for Fleetwood for a couple of months 👍

There were many others, but the one thing I enjoyed the most was the Pupils v Teachers rugby game, yes we hurt them, but my god they did the same - and it was great 👍

Schools were great back then - but it’s probably safer these days 😂😂😂
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Had all of those teachers - thought Boustead was ace 👍

Didn’t think Fallon was a footballer - you aren’t getting confused by Barnes are you?

I was punched by a geography tutor (Rhymes with Riddlepiss) and had a Wooden board rubber Lobbed at my head by a scouse current affairs tutor (Rhymes with Lammack)

Whalley was mentally ill - total nutcase but a right laugh unless you got on the wrong side of him. Ward could be a menace as well if you pissed him off!
 
Southshoresteve said:
Had all of those teachers - thought Boustead was ace 👍

Didn’t think Fallon was a footballer - you aren’t getting confused by Barnes are you?

I was punched by a geography tutor (Rhymes with Riddlepiss) and had a Wooden board rubber Lobbed at my head by a scouse current affairs tutor (Rhymes with Lammack)

Whalley was mentally ill - total nutcase but a right laugh unless you got on the wrong side of him. Ward could be a menace as well if you pissed him off!
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Should of been with Lofthouse at bippi endowed, thrown into a 70’s radiator for taking the piss aged 10🤓
 
I agree that the bizarre nostalgia of teacher inflicted violence does illustrate the paucity of education dished out in the past. The anecdotes of Warbreck ring true. It was an educational vaccum. I learnt nothing at that place and am for more impressed with the quality of teachers today.

This theory of halcyonic says is akin to Boris and his heady uplands bollocks.
 
Southshoresteve said:
Had all of those teachers - thought Boustead was ace 👍

Didn’t think Fallon was a footballer - you aren’t getting confused by Barnes are you?

I was punched by a geography tutor (Rhymes with Riddlepiss) and had a Wooden board rubber Lobbed at my head by a scouse current affairs tutor (Rhymes with Lammack)

Whalley was mentally ill - total nutcase but a right laugh unless you got on the wrong side of him. Ward could be a menace as well if you pissed him off!
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Steve

I'd find it hard to argue with any of that.

I liked Boustead and you could talk to him about sport/football as you got older but no excuse for his overly aggressive behaviour, saying that I imagine that he was/is a good man and I think I'd get on with him now - if he's still with us ?

Yes, Barnes was the footballer and a good man, Fallon was a James Hunt and thought he was good at basketball - like anybody gives a chite whether anybody is any good at that nonsense.

I can't say I had too much to do with Middlemass but I know enough to know that he was a bully and a James Hunt.

Cammack as per Middlemass, not as big a bully but a Scouse James Hunt.

Whalley was certainly mentally ill as you say but what I find disgraceful is that everybody knew that yet he was allowed to continue teaching, who of a sane mind would consider his behaviour to be acceptable ?

I did nothing to p1ss Ward off but some strange reason he bullied me all the time and especially when he was head of my year, he was a bully and w@nker of the highest order.

That's more than enough of my negativity so I will give you some of my favourites:

Smallwood, Barnes, T Smith, basically all the PE staff apart from Fallon.

Miss Leigh (German) was a very good teacher and a good human being.

The finest teacher that ever lived was Mr Schwartz (Maths).
 
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Hockaday’s Quiff said:
I agree that the bizarre nostalgia of teacher inflicted violence does illustrate the paucity of education dished out in the past. The anecdotes of Warbreck ring true. It was an educational vaccum. I learnt nothing at that place and am for more impressed with the quality of teachers today.

This theory of halcyonic says is akin to Boris and his heady uplands bollocks.
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I would of loved to write a post like that. Sadly I went to Monty 👍👍🤓
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Steve

I'd find it hard to argue with any of that.

I liked Boustead and you could talk to him about sport/football as you got older but no excuse for his overly aggressive behaviour, saying that I imagine that he was/is a good man and I think I'd get on with him now - if he's still with us ?

Yes, Barnes was the footballer and a good man, Fallon was a James Hunt and thought he was good at basketball - like anybody gives a chite whether anybody is any good at that nonsense.

I can't say I had too much to do with Middlemass but I know enough to know that he was a bully and a James Hunt.

Cammack as per Middlemass, not as big a bully but a Scouse James Hunt.

Whalley was certainly mentally ill as you say but what I find disgraceful is that everybody knew that yet he was allowed to continue teaching, who of a sane mind would consider his behaviour to be acceptable ?

I did nothing to p1ss Ward off but some strange reason he bullied me all the time and especially when he was head of my year, he was a bully and w@nker of the highest order.

That's more than enough of my negativity so I will give you some of my favourites:

Smallwood, Barnes, T Smith, basically all the PE staff apart from Fallon.

Miss Leigh (German) was a very good teacher and a good human being.

The finest teacher that ever lived was Mr Schwartz (Maths).
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I reckon I must have been at there same time as you. Boustead still alive but retired and breeding ponies (I kid you not!) I know his son well.

Ward still goes to games occasionally. Subbuteos wife and son also go to games but alas B Smith is no longer with us.

My favourite teacher was Conroy 👍
 
Southshoresteve said:
I reckon I must have been at there same time as you. Boustead still alive but retired and breeding ponies (I kid you not!) I know his son well.

Ward still goes to games occasionally. Subbuteos wife and son also go to games but alas B Smith is no longer with us.

My favourite teacher was Conroy 👍
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Good to here that Boustead is still with us, I imagined he'd be retired but I wouldn't have him down for breeding ponies.

Ward is still a w@nker of the highest order and he'll have to do far more than support the Mighty for me to change my mind, a big bully, I say big but only big to a little boy which is what I was when he bullied me for nothing.

I don't know Subbuteo ??????????????

Sad to here that B Smith has left us but I won't pretend that I rated him as a teacher, he was an alcoholic who struggled to control a class whether he's stopped breathing or not.

When you talk of your favourite teacher, I do hope you are talking about Conroy the coloured English teacher who was a keen runner, I had him for English for a couple of years and I missed him out of my favourites, not Mr Z (Schwartz) but definitely one of the best.

I hope you didn't mean Conboy, also an English teacher who was my form teacher for a year, he can be added to my chit list, he was a Burnley supporter and I guess I should have taken the clue.
 
Have we made the 100 yet?

A piece of cardboard. Doesn’t seem to be a deadly weapon. Yet, he loses his job. There is more to him and his standing as a teacher than published.
The student (loosely, he wasn’t studying, was he?) was over sixteen. He didn’t need to be at school. He could have entered employment if he didn’t like school.
His foster parent: if the lad was sleeping in class, he was tired. Does he not sleep at home or (hoodie?**) out late at night doing what?
The authorities upheld the sacking. They would not risk that if they thought he would sue for wrongful dismissal.

Been a nice ride down memory lane.
 
ansdellmafia said:
Yep , that's the school ! Looks like I maybe have been at PCC just before you , I had quite a few Blue and White Halvers who I would call very good friends at that time .

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Good to hear AM . I was there between 1969 - 76 , a year below Lawrenson . I had a Rovers supporting brother who was there from 1962 - 69 and Burnley supporting brother who was there from 1966 - 1973 . We were an Accrington family so geographically half way between the two towns . As well as Stanley before they were kicked out of the League , my Dad was a Burnley fan and hated the Rovers with a passion !
 
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