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That’s the net migration figure into the U.K. in the year up to June. So how come firms are crying out for staff?
 
Matesrates said:
That’s the net migration figure into the U.K. in the year up to June. So how come firms are crying out for staff?
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Are they all cheap supply of labour a lot of these businesses are looking for rather than pay well enough to attract people to want to work there?

Either way presume that doesn't include the illegals.
 
Matesrates said:
That’s the net migration figure into the U.K. in the year up to June. So how come firms are crying out for staff?
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Not a political point, but does anyone know how many EU citizens went home during COVID and never returned?

The point about lack of workers sits firmly with the Government. Until their status is agreed, they are not allowed to work, at current rate there is a 25 year backlog . I could never understand why there could not be a temporary status to allow them to work and reduce the cost to the public purse.
 
I think it's always with looking at the population figures over a much longer period.

It took from 1951 to 2001 to grow by about 10 million (40m - 50m) - 200,000/year

In the last 20 years, it's gone up by about 17 million or 800,000/year - which is more or less the population of Liverpool and Manchester every year.

However we dress it up, that's a huge amount of pressure on public services, which are, on the whole, universal.

The main beneficiaries have been industry who have been able to keep wages artificially low and with clever use of the tax system pitching wages at the point where you're better off working and claiming Universal Credit than not working - but only just - call it a state subsidy.

And Universities who need to keep the Ponzi scheme going and having rinsed home students are casting the net ever further.

Better planning, better use of resources may have mitigated the impact, but in a densely populated England, it was still going to be an issue.

And I'll say again, the fuck up that is our asylum system/economic migration system means that those relatively few people who are fleeing persecution are left unable to build a new life for far too long.
 
It would help the conversation on this thread if posters were to do some research into the nature of the immigration causing these high figures. ONS data concludes that this very high net figure results largely from the return of overseas students post-pandemic. Other critical factors are the immigration of Ukranian refugees and Hong Kong British passport holders. It is expected that a large majority of the overseas students and the Ukranian refugees will return home at some point. The Hong Kong passport holders are likely to stay in the UK.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
It would help the conversation on this thread if posters were to do some research into the nature of the immigration causing these high figures. ONS data concludes that this very high net figure results largely from the return of overseas students post-pandemic. Other critical factors are the immigration of Ukranian refugees and Hong Kong British passport holders. It is expected that a large majority of the overseas students and the Ukranian refugees will return home at some point. The Hong Kong passport holders are likely to stay in the UK.
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😂 Pesky facts getting in the way of a perfectly good hate.

Spoilsport.
 
This country benefits massively from immigration. Loads of Hong Kong businesses are popping up at the moment, from bubble tea shops to restaurants and Asian mini-markets.

Last week I had a great meal in a Jamaican eatery which was a business created by an Iranian and his Jamaican wife.

I wonder how many millions per day immigrants are earning this country in tax with all these businesses they run?
 
Pre pandemic and Brexit, immigrant labour was paying far more in tax than expenditure on their benefit and services use.
 
277000 are returning foreign students.
Then when you factor in Ukraine refugees and Hong Kong passport holders, the figures start to look a little less alarming.
Unfortunately the headline figure is out there and that's all that will be remembered.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Not a political point, but does anyone know how many EU citizens went home during COVID and never returned?

The point about lack of workers sits firmly with the Government. Until their status is agreed, they are not allowed to work, at current rate there is a 25 year backlog . I could never understand why there could not be a temporary status to allow them to work and reduce the cost to the public purse.
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45000 EU citizens left the UK, on BBC last night
 
It would be particularly mindless to try to block foreign students coming in just to massage the immigration figures.
They have been keeping our Higher Education system afloat for donkey’s years.
 
glasshalffull said:
It would be particularly mindless to try to block foreign students coming in just to massage the immigration figures.
They have been keeping our Higher Education system afloat for donkey’s years.
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Yes, I cannot believe that this is even being discussed - it's stupid short-term thinking. I wonder if the home secretary is behind this idea, she certainly has form for this sort of short-termism.
They pay good money to fund our institutions, get themselves educated to a high level and frequently stay on and contribute to our economy.
This benefits us in 3 ways, the foreign students subsidise UK students, we don't have to pay to educate foreign students and later on (often) they contribute to the exchequer via their taxes.
 
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