A conversation with a Russian in Moscow

look.its.luke

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Through work i I know a Russian lady. Redacted her name but 2 points of interest. 1 is that even the Russians are viewing our politics as concerning and 2... the actual Russian public dont represent the Kremlin talking points. Screenshot_20221102-134902_WhatsApp.jpgScreenshot_20221102-134933_WhatsApp.jpgScreenshot_20221102-135014_WhatsApp.jpgScreenshot_20221102-135025_WhatsApp.jpgScreenshot_20221103_213124.jpg
 
It's an interesting discussion.

You mention the colour of the Home Secretary, everything through a race lens?

Agree with the 6 week shitshow, even if half of that was in hiatus due to HMQ dying. There week be books written in due course trying to understand how do much damage could be done, to do many, for so long, by so few.

I was trying to work out which Russian Revolution you were talking about; I'm hopeful it was Glasnost/Perestroika rather than of the Bolshevik kind where millions citizens were murdered for holding a different political perspective.

And the saddest thing is holding out hope because an astrologer said so. That must be desperate.

Bet she'd swap circumstances in a heart beat.
 
Yeah I feel so sorry for her. It's objectively worse to be in Ukraine, but at least they can feel proud of their country.
Regarding revolution I was definitely referring to Mickey G and the 90's rather than the 'first' one.

Home Secretary point...not necessarily race, but there's something particularly grim about the daughter of immigrants dreaming of pulling up the drawbridge and flying refugees to Rwanda.
 
Yeah I feel so sorry for her. It's objectively worse to be in Ukraine, but at least they can feel proud of their country.
Regarding revolution I was definitely referring to Mickey G and the 90's rather than the 'first' one.

Home Secretary point...not necessarily race, but there's something particularly grim about the daughter of immigrants dreaming of pulling up the drawbridge and flying refugees to Rwanda.
It was a shame that we didn't quite support MG to complete the job really; still he's up there with Nelson Mandela as great world leaders.

Interesting point about the Home Secretary - I'd suggest that moving to a process centre in Rwanda is preferable than being housed in over crowded conditions in Kent - it might offer a bit of a reason not to risk the journey in the first place, slow down the numbers and therefore give us time to deal with the current mess. I think there's a bit of issue with people not recognising that Rwanda isn't the place it once was - even Arsenal are advertising it as a place to visit. If it was send them to Morocco, or Egypt or Greenland or the Isle of Man would it have the same reaction - I'm not sure.

I think everybody agrees, the current situation is out of hand and is the culmination of 25 years of messing about with economic migration/fleeing persecution and not doing either particularly efficiently.
 
I'd broadly agree that there isn't an issue with the location...I'm certainly not viewing it in Trumpian terms of Rwanda being a shithole.
I think my instinctive disgust is that we're paying billions to outsource the problem, and I also can't help but feel it's a policy the genuine racists will love.
"Come over here expecting a free council house, and get sent to Africa with the flies and the AIDS lol"

Not a mainstream view or something I've seen on here to be fair, but through football/betting I'm part of WhatsApp groups where I've seen that. So maybe I'm over correcting.

I think the other point that needs clarifying is what happens once they've had their claims processed, been judged as successful and are in Rwanda?
If we then welcome them to Britain, it's far less problematic than if we say they have to stay in Rwanda. Otherwise we're just paying our way (from the public purse) out of the duty of compassion.
 
Interesting Luke. I worked in Moscow a decade ago and even then the climate of fear was spreading among decent, ordinary working people because gangsters and oligarchs were stealing their democratising agenda, ripping off the new market economy, usurping political power and making opposition dangerous. Putin was allowed to get where he is because it suited the oligarchs. The older people began to hark back to the Soviet era when at least they had been cared for by the state machine - except the hope that a strong leader would give them that security back was woefully mistaken. The mayor of Moscow tried to forcibly relocate pensioners out of the city so their apartments could be rented out or sold by exploitative developers. The younger people just kept their heads down to retain their jobs. It was becoming increasingly corrupt and repressive. I felt and still feel sorry for my Russian colleagues, though all communication ceased some time ago. For all that living in Britain with a sh!t Tory government is bad, we're still better off than Russia - but Brexit was an entirely predictable disaster and the mistakes of the last 10+ years in the UK will take some sorting out, nothing short of a complete recalibration of the political landscape and the role of government in serving the general good of the population.
 
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