A question for the Critchley supporters.

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Martonmosser

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You’re obviously happy with awful performances like Northampton, Burton, Cambridge etc before Christmas.
You’re obviously happy with poor performances like yesterday and Port Vale after Christmas.
You’re obviously happy with the players brought in, released and loaned out during the transfer window.
You’re even obviously happy with a bit of fist pumping by the guy who left but pretends to love the badge.
BUT what will you class as failure from the manager this season?
Maybe not gaining automatic promotion if you think we should have walked the league with the squad we have?
Maybe not getting in the playoffs?
Or you’re just happy to stay in this division after the sh1t show last season?
Under what circumstances would you be happy to see Critchley go?
 
Martonmosser said:
You’re obviously happy with awful performances like Northampton, Burton, Cambridge etc before Christmas.
You’re obviously happy with poor performances like yesterday and Port Vale after Christmas.
You’re obviously happy with the players brought in, released and loaned out during the transfer window.
You’re even obviously happy with a bit of fist pumping by the guy who left but pretends to love the badge.
BUT what will you class as failure from the manager this season?
Maybe not gaining automatic promotion if you think we should have walked the league with the squad we have?
Maybe not getting in the playoffs?
Or you’re just happy to stay in this division after the sh1t show last season?
Under what circumstances would you be happy to see Critchley go?
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You go on and on about Crichley but what do you want to see happen? Which manager would produce the results you want?
Why do you only ask this after a defeat? Had we scabbed a 1-0 win you wouldn’t have posted this.
 
King Billy said:
You go on and on about Crichley but what do you want to see happen? Which manager would produce the results you want?
Why do you only ask this after a defeat? Had we scabbed a 1-0 win you wouldn’t have posted this.
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How do you know what I would have posted? I nearly posted similar after we let another lead slip last Saturday meaning we had dropped 4 points against the same team from winning positions but I couldn’t be arsed due to a raging hangover from the night before
 
Martonmosser said:
You’re obviously happy with awful performances like Northampton, Burton, Cambridge etc before Christmas.
You’re obviously happy with poor performances like yesterday and Port Vale after Christmas.
You’re obviously happy with the players brought in, released and loaned out during the transfer window.
You’re even obviously happy with a bit of fist pumping by the guy who left but pretends to love the badge.
BUT what will you class as failure from the manager this season?
Maybe not gaining automatic promotion if you think we should have walked the league with the squad we have?
Maybe not getting in the playoffs?
Or you’re just happy to stay in this division after the sh1t show last season?
Under what circumstances would you be happy to see Critchley go?
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Absolute bare minimum I would give him is the first 20 odd games of next season. If by then we weren't showing signs of being able to get promoted then I'd start to think that he'd had long enough.
 
King Billy said:
You go on and on about Crichley but what do you want to see happen? Which manager would produce the results you want?
Why do you only ask this after a defeat? Had we scabbed a 1-0 win you wouldn’t have posted this.
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Your question is utterly ridiculous as nobody knows what manager is available or who would want to come to our club

It's a lazy default question every time someone has a pop at Critchley

and its ** stupid
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Your question is utterly ridiculous as nobody knows what manager is available or who would want to come to our club

It's a lazy default question every time someone has a pop at Critchley

and its ** stupid
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OK then. If he was sacked today. And realistically. Of course we don’t know the ins and outs but can still speculate on who we would potentially want.
 
IMO the problem with the OP is, it is so confrontational and contributes to an "I'm right and you're wrong" argument rather than a sensible exchange of views. We're all supposed to be Blackpool supporters, not Critchley supporters or haters. No one, regardless of their view of Critchley was happy with the outcome or most of the performance yesterday, but we are 8th in the table and not out of contention, so thinking Critchley can still get us in the playoffs and even promoted is a perfectly reasonable point of view, as is "I don't think Critchley is the man for the job".

So my view is, if you think Critchley isn't the man for the job, its fine to say so, just no need for the tone of so many posts like those above.

My view for what it's worth, is that I wouldn't have appointed Critchley had I been in charge, I'd have gone with Dobbie as I liked how he set us up to go for the win every time, put square pegs in square holes and played to our strengths. It's entirely possible that would have been a mistake however, no one knows for sure. Right now, Critchley is the manager and I can see that we are capable of being better than we're doing, and we're not doing as bad as all that. I'm going to go on saturday and cheer them on, because that's all the affect I can have.
 
The Critchley lovers seem to be a bit deranged. If you post something negative about him, especially on Facebook, they get really aggressive and call you a moaner. But they seem to be the biggest moaners constantly moaning about the so called "moaners." A lot of fans are asking only that someone is held accountable for such shit performances, negative tactics and constant excuses. The buck stops with the narcissistic, fist pumping erm, erm, erm manager!
 
The shit show last season was Appleton/McCarthy/Dobbie.

Critchley actually got us PROMOTED out of Div 1 and KEPT us in the Championship.

I agree performances as opposed to results like Lincoln Wycombe Cambridge Burton & Port Vale are TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

However, I think that some of our fans are a bit deluded thinking we are a bigger club than the likes of Derby or Portsmouth.

Our gates our small and we have not got the money to spend like Oxford have.
I personally think Critchley will eventually stop these unacceptable results occurring but it doesn't make me a "happy clapper".

I don't think there is a manager that would WANT to come to Blackpool that risks rocking the boat for but:

If Simon Sadler can talk Steven Gerrard or Jurgan Klopp to take the job for me it would be: CRITCHLEY OUT!!!

Until then I'll stick with it for the time being as we are actually in the TOP half of the league and have been most of the season!!!

I respect the O/P's perspective I hope he'll respect mine, despite our opinions clashing.

Both of us and all other True Poolsters "Love The Club" after all and we stood together as "Brothers" to get OUR Club Back!!

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Torycorner said:
The shit show last season was Appleton/McCarthy/Dobbie.

Critchley actually got us PROMOTED out of Div 1 and KEPT us in the Championship.

I agree performances as opposed to results like Lincoln Wycombe Cambridge Burton & Port Vale are TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

However, I think that some of our fans are a bit deluded thinking we are a bigger club than the likes of Derby or Portsmouth.

Our gates our small and we have not got the money to spend like Oxford have.
Mi think Critchley will eventually stop these unacceptable results but it doesn't make me a "happy clapper".

I don't think there is a manager that would WANT to come to Blackpool tgat risks rocking the boat for but:

If Simon Sadler can talk Steven Gerrard or Jurgan Klopp to take the job for me it would be: CRITCHLEY OUT!!!

Until then I'll stick with it for the time being as we are actually in the TOO half of the league and have been most of the season!!!

I respect the O/P's perspective I hope he'll respect mine, despite our opinions clashing.

Both of us and all other Poolsters "Love The Club@ after all and stood together as "Brothers" to get OUR Club Back!!

🚌🧡#88
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Out of touch tory shocker!
 
Why is anyone happy after a defeat I certainly ain't.

But what I don't do is get angry or in a meltdown over it.
Yesterday first half we were the better team against someone above us in the league bar a deflected goal we should have had a point.

Did I ever think we would walk this league-No
Did I ever think we had a better squad than others-No
Happy staying in this league-No. Neither are the two teams will probably get promoted who've been away from the Championship a combined 17 years or Derby/Charlton/Reading/Barnsley either

The haters have wanted rid from day one and pounce after a defeat those who back whoever is in charge(yes I wanted Appleton to succeed) so give him more slack,with only 3 months left of the season getting rid now makes no sense.
When should we get rid of Critchley maybe look at the end of the season and see were we are.
 
I believe he’s an overthinker and against all but the top 4/6 in this league we should concentrate on our best side, and worry less about the opposition.

However chopping and changing manager helped no one - I’m not convinced there’s anyone better out there. If the owner continues to invest, top six next year will be the minimum.
 
The OP rightly points out some stinking games.
After the shit show of last season I expected stability and a better drilled side.
I genuinely believed we would make the play offs ( I'm not fully discounting that,still) and we have dropped points on too many occasions. I rarely feel comfortable when we are one up,apart from Charlton game when we looked really comfortable then dropped 2 points ,nearly 3.

I think sacking a manager when there is a chance of making the play offs would be crackers.Anybody going in right now would be on a hiding to nothing .Also who is out there ?? Charlie Adam,Wayne Rooney ????

I'm not sure why SS gives out these 4 year contracts - I suppose uou could say they offer stability and an opportunity to develop .

I'm not sure what the trigger for changing manager would be .There is a case for giving a manager time -Arsenal with Arteta being on an example and chopping and changing can lead to shite outcomes- Everton being another example from the top flight .

I do tend to waffle on but I do not believe anytime before the end of the season is the right time to pull the trigger .
 
My opinion for what it’s worth is that he is not a bad manager whilst no Pep - 8th league one in what is a brutal division to get out of (look at the likes of Derby , Bolton , Portsmouth and Sunderland before promotion ) playing horrible teams like Stevenage yesterday . Still got 48 points up for grabs - best home form in the league , semi final of a cup with a possible trip to London - the season lacks consistency, but I don’t think it is far away . Whilst not been an automatic walking promotion season , it’s not been a complete flop .
Supported the pool for 45 years and been through much much worse .
BTID 🍊
 
Torycorner said:
The shit show last season was Appleton/McCarthy/Dobbie.

Critchley actually got us PROMOTED out of Div 1 and KEPT us in the Championship.

I agree performances as opposed to results like Lincoln Wycombe Cambridge Burton & Port Vale are TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

However, I think that some of our fans are a bit deluded thinking we are a bigger club than the likes of Derby or Portsmouth.

Our gates our small and we have not got the money to spend like Oxford have.
I personally think Critchley will eventually stop these unacceptable results occurring but it doesn't make me a "happy clapper".

I don't think there is a manager that would WANT to come to Blackpool that risks rocking the boat for but:

If Simon Sadler can talk Steven Gerrard or Jurgan Klopp to take the job for me it would be: CRITCHLEY OUT!!!

Until then I'll stick with it for the time being as we are actually in the TOO half of the league and have been most of the season!!!

I respect the O/P's perspective I hope he'll respect mine, despite our opinions clashing.

Both of us and all other True Poolsters "Love The Club" after all and we stood together as "Brothers" to get OUR Club Back!!

🚌🧡#88
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Agreed. You can be unhappy with performances but still think the managerial appointment is the right one and the club is generally on the right track.

It doesn't mean you are 'obviously happy' with the way things sometimes, not all the time, are.
 
We’ve been garbage in most away games, no excuses.

Did I want NC back? Nope, because as soon as we had bad results it would be the Appleton scenario all over again… but remember who we were linked with? Graham Alexander and Gary Bowyer pffft.

Transfer windows have been average… wouldn’t have let Apter go out if we’ve not got any other attacking options but the rest was all fine as all deadwood. I’m sure he’d like to be able to spend more money than he has though. But that’s another question.

I wanted us to get in the top 6, but after the disaster of Appleton and Mad Mick making it even worse it’s proving harder than thought.

Thinking the above doesn’t make you a Critchley supporter btw. He’s picked players in wrong positions and was late to the party on Dembele and has always been too slow in making in-game tactical changes leaving subs too late.

I just don’t think we need the emotional and dramatic meltdowns if we lose a game of football.
 
Wizaard said:
Agreed. You can be unhappy with performances but still think the managerial appointment is the right one and the club is generally on the right track.

It doesn't mean you are 'obviously happy' with the way things sometimes, not all the time, are.
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The appointment was terrible. We couldn’t be further away from the right track. We are on track to become an established run of the mill league one team.
 
I’m not happy with the last two results. We’ve put in some decent performances over the last few weeks and we were unfortunate in both games, we should’ve taken four points.

I wouldn’t sack him now because I don’t see an immediate benefit, we’re not going up and we’re not going down. I’d review at the end of the season and I honestly don’t mind if he stays or if we decide to go in another direction.

I think we’ll give him another shot next season and I’m ok with that.
 
It can't be disputed that Critchley was successful first time round.
Sadly IMHO it came at a cost, the football is tediously boring.

I was not disappointed to see him leave, I was disappointed to see him return.
I hoped with his time away though, he might of changed tactics, but sadly not.
We set up not to lose. I want us set up to win. Exciting, entertaining, attacking football.

I like the bloke and I'm willing him to change. It's now at the stage he'll have to
change if we have any ambitions of gate crashing the playoff's. From now to the end of the
season, we will be able to see if Critchley is the man for the job.
 
TheLuker said:
Absolute bare minimum I would give him is the first 20 odd games of next season. If by then we weren't showing signs of being able to get promoted then I'd start to think that he'd had long enough.
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So if we’re 8th again after 20 games next season you would keep him?
8th at this point this season isn’t good enough with the money that has been invested in this squad, personally I hope SS sees this as failure as well 🤔
 
Martonmosser said:
So if we’re 8th again after 20 games next season you would keep him?
8th at this point this season isn’t good enough with the money that has been invested in this squad, personally I hope SS sees this as failure as well 🤔
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If we're 4th after 20 games, yes I'd keep him.
If we're 14th then, no I'd probably lose him.
If we're 8th, I'd say other factors would come into it, so a maybe.
 
Yesterday was probably a microcosm of our away performances all season. Aside from the first 20-25 mins we huffed and puffed and produced very little. The game got scrappier and scrappier and irrespective of how lucky their goal was, there was also a certain inevitably about it.

The big issue with NC here is what he's able to do about it. We could all see what was happening and it needed something better as a tactical change to turn the tide. Based on yesterday - and plenty of other games over his time with us - his ability to change games is limited. We let the game drift away and continued making daft mistakes. One obvious issue yesterday was the gaping hole in the middle of the park that was never plugged effectively. That left us losing every second ball and gave them the chance to keep working on rebounds and deflections etc.

One baffling moment was seeing Morgan take a free kick from the left back position with Husband stood right next to him. It was a long diagonal that they won and headed out exactly to where Morgan could/should have been. Daft and yet nobody is taking control to cut out stupid shit like that.

And wtf is this nonsense of husband playing it one yard to Grimmy on goal kicks....?

You also can't help but feel that the experienced and seasoned pro is still needed to get us better at 'professional' elements in the game.
 
poolseasider said:
Why is anyone happy after a defeat I certainly ain't.

But what I don't do is get angry or in a meltdown over it.
Yesterday first half we were the better team against someone above us in the league bar a deflected goal we should have had a point.

Did I ever think we would walk this league-No
Did I ever think we had a better squad than others-No
Happy staying in this league-No. Neither are the two teams will probably get promoted who've been away from the Championship a combined 17 years or Derby/Charlton/Reading/Barnsley either

The haters have wanted rid from day one and pounce after a defeat those who back whoever is in charge(yes I wanted Appleton to succeed) so give him more slack,with only 3 months left of the season getting rid now makes no sense.
When should we get rid of Critchley maybe look at the end of the season and see were we are.
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Wait til next season with teams like Wigan and Charlton challenging plus teams that have come down like Sheffield Wednesday and Rotherham and teams probably coming up like Stockport and Wrexham…….it certainly won’t be an easy league to get out of
 
The immediate aftermath of a disappointing result is rarely the best time to offer up a well considered and constructive opinion.

I said that there was a rebuild necessary before the manager was even appointed. It was the main reason I didn’t want Dobbie (amongst many others.)

I also said it would take a few windows to get to where we needed to be.

As far as this season is concerned, I think we have got steadily better over the course of the season. So we’re moving in the right direction. Promotion would have been a bonus (and it still might be), but realistically it’s a big ask.

Hopefully the owner shows the strength of character and resolve that may be necessary in order to stick with his man and the fans are capable of seeing the bigger picture.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The immediate aftermath of a disappointing result is rarely the best time to offer up a well considered and constructive opinion.

I said that there was a rebuild necessary before the manager was even appointed. It was the main reason I didn’t want Dobbie (amongst many others.)

I also said it would take a few windows to get to where we needed to be.

As far as this season is concerned, I think we have got steadily better over the course of the season. So we’re moving in the right direction. Promotion would have been a bonus (and it still might be), but realistically it’s a big ask.

Hopefully the owner shows the strength of character and resolve that may be necessary in order to stick with his man and the fans are capable of seeing the bigger picture.
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Hopefully they show strength and character and sack him. We are going nowhere whilst we play this hideous formation and Critchley will never change it.
 
seasidepaddle said:
I believe he’s an overthinker and against all but the top 4/6 in this league we should concentrate on our best side, and worry less about the opposition.

However chopping and changing manager helped no one - I’m not convinced there’s anyone better out there. If the owner continues to invest, top six next year will be the minimum.
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With Sadler's limited investment on the playing side the top six will be out of reach.
I see no evidence that the transfer income and cup revenue is being spent.
We have one decent flair player and one decent striker and they are both on loan.
Also a coach who thinks he's a master tactician when clearly he's anything but.
 
I think what will and needs to happen is SS siting down with X, Y and Z and asking questions objectively and not as a football fan. I can't imagine if he was to ask 'are we getting a fair return on the investment in the team?' that the answer would be anything other than a big fat NO. So putting his business head on he has to find a viable solution. I can't see that being the sacking of NC, more of an exp. No 2 replacing one of the two, if not both. If NC doesn't like that then tough.

Still with his business head on he will ask if doing nothing and going into next season the same will turn out different. Logic says not to me.
 
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65 & Counting said:
With Sadler's limited investment on the playing side the top six will be out of reach.
I see no evidence that the transfer income and cup revenue is being spent.
We have one decent flair player and one decent striker and they are both on loan.
Also a coach who thinks he's a master tactician when clearly he's anything but.
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Read the Structured Dialogue minutes or the accounts to see that the owner is spending money, you daft old fart.

And that coach that you deride got us promoted out of this division and comfortably kept us in the Championship.
 
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Martonmosser said:
Wait til next season with teams like Wigan and Charlton challenging plus teams that have come down like Sheffield Wednesday and Rotherham and teams probably coming up like Stockport and Wrexham…….it certainly won’t be an easy league to get out of
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It never is that's why Portsmouth and Bolton have been in it so long.
 
fcblackpool said:
I think what will and needs to happen is SS siting down with X, Y and Z and asking questions objectively and not as a football fan. I can't imagine if he was to ask 'are we getting a fair return on the investment in the team?' that the answer would be a big fat NO. So putting his business head on he has to find a viable solution. I can't see that being the sacking of NC, more of an exp. No 2 replacing one of the two, if not both. If NC doesn't like that then tough.

Still with his business head on he will ask if doing nothing and going into next season the same will turn out different. Logic says not to me.
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The team is clearly improving as the season goes on, but not in the straight line that the impatient need.

Critchley needs support from above, which he says he is getting and more time which I hope that he gets.
 
TheLuker said:
The team is clearly improving as the season goes on, but not in the straight line that the impatient need.

Critchley needs support from above, which he says he is getting and more time which I hope that he gets.
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The team is improving from where we were but it literally takes a 1-0 away defeat from a deflected goal and everyone is back to ripping the whole thing up and starting again.
We were completely useless at the start of the last promotion season, did everyone bang on about the poor performances when we went up?
 
Martonmosser said:
How do you know what I would have posted? I nearly posted similar after we let another lead slip last Saturday meaning we had dropped 4 points against the same team from winning positions but I couldn’t be arsed due to a raging hangover from the night before
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Ok I’ll take your word that this was coming regardless of the result today.
 
King Billy said:
The team is improving from where we were but it literally takes a 1-0 away defeat from a deflected goal and everyone is back to ripping the whole thing up and starting again.
We were completely useless at the start of the last promotion season, did everyone bang on about the poor performances when we went up?
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Thank God there were no supporters in the ground during that promotion season as I doubt that we would've got promoted if there had been a fraction of the poison that was spewed out on here, directed at the players and manager in the ground.
 
Martonmosser said:
You’re obviously happy with awful performances like Northampton, Burton, Cambridge etc before Christmas.
You’re obviously happy with poor performances like yesterday and Port Vale after Christmas.
You’re obviously happy with the players brought in, released and loaned out during the transfer window.
You’re even obviously happy with a bit of fist pumping by the guy who left but pretends to love the badge.
BUT what will you class as failure from the manager this season?
Maybe not gaining automatic promotion if you think we should have walked the league with the squad we have?
Maybe not getting in the playoffs?
Or you’re just happy to stay in this division after the sh1t show last season?
Under what circumstances would you be happy to see Critchley go?
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Mosser, as I and to a different extent Herts has alluded to, I don't know how people are happy with the performances and the management. At times its dire and we have a Manager who I think got lucky with us previously, but now shows his true ability.

Ive regularly mentioned on previous threads that our previous success in a major part was due to Calderwood. Since his departure, other than the short tenure of McCall, Critchley has been poor.
 
The Merry Stripes said:
It can't be disputed that Critchley was successful first time round.
Sadly IMHO it came at a cost, the football is tediously boring.

I was not disappointed to see him leave, I was disappointed to see him return.
I hoped with his time away though, he might of changed tactics, but sadly not.
We set up not to lose. I want us set up to win. Exciting, entertaining, attacking football.

I like the bloke and I'm willing him to change. It's now at the stage he'll have to
change if we have any ambitions of gate crashing the playoff's. From now to the end of the
season, we will be able to see if Critchley is the man for the job.
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Can we let it go that the football is tediously boring.

This myth has come about to justify irrational hatred. Anyone who went to any of the Cup games to date has not been bored.

If they were, I suggest a trip to see a doctor who specialises in ADHD
 
With escalating consultancy and construction and costs and a poor economic outlook, the situation we find ourselves in to grow as a club is not ideal. It would be great to get one of the two big projects underway soon, but surely Championship level media income would quicken that process? Some of Critchley's decision making, particularly matching up the opposition away from home, the rigid playing style and introducing subs by rote on 65 minutes, can drive me crackers as a fan. I really hope he finally loosens up, goes for it with power and pace, and Byers in a proper three man midfield, and picks players showing a semblance of form for the rest of the season. Then even if we don't quite make it fans will be encouraged rather than feeling a bit flat as it appears many do now. We come to football to get away from our working lives, not mirror them! We can still do this, but not by being timid.
 
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