Afghanistan

catinstalbans said:
Of course we can manage. We are a wealthy nation and we have room. Our population density is not that excessive when compared to Singapore, Belgium and The Netherlands amongst others. Our most densely packed city, London doesn't even come in the top ten in Europe never mind the world.
As for services, well that is a political choice of the Conservative government to deliberately keep the public services needed underfunded for the general population to justify creeping privatisation and excessive profiteering of their billionaire backers.
If we believe that every human being is of value then we can and should do better than we currently do.
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So the environment means nothing to you? And I really couldn't give a stuff about comparisons to other densely populated countries, they mean nothing at all to me.
 
catinstalbans said:
Of course we can manage. We are a wealthy nation and we have room. Our population density is not that excessive when compared to Singapore, Belgium and The Netherlands amongst others. Our most densely packed city, London doesn't even come in the top ten in Europe never mind the world.
As for services, well that is a political choice of the Conservative government to deliberately keep the public services needed underfunded for the general population to justify creeping privatisation and excessive profiteering of their billionaire backers.
If we believe that every human being is of value then we can and should do better than we currently do.
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I very much doubt that opinion would continue for you under an alternative government. All you would do is continue to blame the Tories long after they have lost their place at the top table. If you don’t think London is densely populated then you clearly don’t get out much.
 
catinstalbans said:
Of course we can manage. We are a wealthy nation and we have room. Our population density is not that excessive when compared to Singapore, Belgium and The Netherlands amongst others. Our most densely packed city, London doesn't even come in the top ten in Europe never mind the world.
As for services, well that is a political choice of the Conservative government to deliberately keep the public services needed underfunded for the general population to justify creeping privatisation and excessive profiteering of their billionaire backers.
If we believe that every human being is of value then we can and should do better than we currently do.
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What’s wrong with Australia, New Zealand, Canada, America, France, not forgetting China and Russia.
 
seasideone said:
He will not remember it next week - so who knows!!!

How can the US be led again by a Donkey, but then again look at the choice they had!?
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I think that the only good thing that you can say about Biden's handling of this is that, at least it's not Trump in charge.
He has put our forces and civilians at risk and we can no longer rely on our European allies for help - so much for Global Britain.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
I think that the only good thing that you can say about Biden's handling of this is that, at least it's not Trump in charge.
He has put our forces and civilians at risk and we can no longer rely on our European allies for help - so much for Global Britain.
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Well we will never know will we, you will just have to harbour some imaginary hate towards his non handling of the situation as you watch your beloved sleepy make a complete ** of the situation.
 
I see China’s not hanging around, met in Kabul today saying nice things about their intentions and commitment to the Afghan people.
 
Probably after all the precious stuff that go into the microchips that we cant make for new cars.
 
British citizens and Afghans with correct papers now being told not to come to the airport due to a credible terror threat from Isis K. Mind you if you have 200 cats and dogs, you’re ok.
 
Scaramanga said:
Well we will never know will we, you will just have to harbour some imaginary hate towards his non handling of the situation as you watch your beloved sleepy make a complete ** of the situation.
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Whereas constantly referring to Jeremy Corbyn is inciteful political comment and justification for anything Boris does.
 
Wizaard said:
Whereas constantly referring to Jeremy Corbyn is inciteful political comment and justification for anything Boris does.
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O think you will find I haven’t once referred to JC on here. It’s you lot constantly telling us he’s the messiah and was right all along 😂😂
 
Scaramanga said:
O think you will find I haven’t once referred to JC on here. It’s you lot constantly telling us he’s the messiah and was right all along 😂😂
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I'd love you to find those posts where I said he was the Messiah. You and Trump on the other hand....🤣🤣
 
Wizaard said:
I'd love you to find those posts where I said he was the Messiah. You and Trump on the other hand....🤣🤣
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I said you lot, not you. Same goes for Trump. You won’t find it. I think your just digging a deep hole here wiz. There’s no denying the bloke you lot have been preening over and defending for the last year is making a monumental mistake in his withdrawal of Afghanistan. Anything else is just reflection.
 
Scaramanga said:
I said you lot, not you. Same goes for Trump. You won’t find it. I think your just digging a deep hole here wiz. There’s no denying the bloke you lot have been preening over and defending for the last year is making a monumental mistake in his withdrawal of Afghanistan. Anything else is just reflection.
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He's following through on Trump's isolationism. They're both wrong, imo, to do it so hastily.
 
It’s irrelevant what Trumpy did now, it’s all on sleepy. He had the opportunity to change things and didn’t. So for people to keep referring to Trump is just bitterness that the person they wanted to take over has ballsed up.
 
Scaramanga said:
It’s irrelevant what Trumpy did now, it’s all on sleepy. He had the opportunity to change things and didn’t. So for people to keep referring to Trump is just bitterness that the person they wanted to take over has ballsed up.
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No it’s not. It’s looking at the whole picture. Not just the selective parts that you want to focus on.

But I agree that the implementation of Trump’s policy (by Biden and Johnson) has been woeful.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
No it’s not. It’s looking at the whole picture. Not just the selective parts that you want to focus on.

But I agree that the implementation of Trump’s policy (by Biden and Johnson) has been woeful.
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It will be Bidens legacy I’m afraid. Like I said, he had the chance to change it and chose not to. Presidents are held accountable for their mistakes, and this was a big one.
 
Scaramanga said:
It will be Bidens legacy I’m afraid. Like I said, he had the chance to change it and chose not to. Presidents are held accountable for their mistakes, and this was a big one.
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You’re not totally wrong about Biden.

Although it’s always interesting to watch people like Trump, Johnson and Raab try to wriggle out of any responsibility for catastrophes they’ve played a part in. And finger point and distract when blame is being allocated. And if you think the PM and Foreign Secretary aren’t partly culpable for the inept implementation of US policy then you need to listen to a few Tory MPs and what they think.
 
Scaramanga said:
Hahahahahahahahahahaha 😂😂😂😂😂
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Search Corbyn's views on Afghanistan and Iraq 10 to 15 years ago.
Whats amazing is that he never says “I told you so” of course he could, on almost every subject or topic.
History proves him right time and time again.

Said it before, your master is the Australian media mogul. Be honest with yourself
 
catinstalbans said:
Of course we can manage. We are a wealthy nation and we have room. Our population density is not that excessive when compared to Singapore, Belgium and The Netherlands amongst others. Our most densely packed city, London doesn't even come in the top ten in Europe never mind the world.
As for services, well that is a political choice of the Conservative government to deliberately keep the public services needed underfunded for the general population to justify creeping privatisation and excessive profiteering of their billionaire backers.
If we believe that every human being is of value then we can and should do better than we currently do.
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I think EagleDay is highlighting the possible terror threat with so many people arriving here which for some reason you fail to mention yet once again you have a dig at the Government which you never fail to mention.
 
kuriousoranj said:
Search Corbyn's views on Afghanistan and Iraq 10 to 15 years ago.
Whats amazing is that he never says “I told you so” of course he could, on almost every subject or topic.
History proves him right time and time again.

Said it before, your master is the Australian media mogul. Be honest with yourself
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Corbyn believes that his views are correct and is a career conviction politician.

That’s not a bad thing, I just don’t agree with 99% of his views and fortunately a lot of the
UK doesn’t either.

Let’s take the ‘Stop the war speech’ he made in 2003 I think - he was campaigning for the resources / costs that would be used in the war to be channeled into AIDS treatments, water resources etc in Africa.

All very admirable in fairness and on the face of it very admirable.

What it doesn’t cover is how you stop a Despot dictator who oversaw the murder and torture of his own citizens - including using chemical weapons against his own people.

Now NOT stopping that could have led to a far worse situation in the region than it is today.

I appreciate the argument above could be used to argue for more wars and not less.

The argument above also questions why haven’t we done anything about North Korea, Zimbabwe etc?

I think we all know the answer in reality.

The other argument here is nobody knows what would have happened if we hadn’t got involved, and nobody seems to think about that - probably because it’s an unanswerable question.

What is the answer? - I am not sure but leaving Afghanistan like this - seems criminal to me.

Just like leaving a Despot in power who used chemical weapons against his own people.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I think EagleDay is highlighting the possible terror threat with so many people arriving here which for some reason you fail to mention yet once again you have a dig at the Government which you never fail to mention.
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Not just the terror threat Jaffa, but the impact on the environment of an already overcrowded piece of land, and seeing some of the reports on Country File getting physically smaller by the year. Most people on threads like this always make the argument about the impact on services and the economy, I believe those are minor problems compared to others we could potentially face.
 
It’s a mess that’s what it is.

A humanitarian tragedy which no one seems to have the answer to right now.

These poor families who we see now trying to escape are just like us and our families only they’re now imprisoned in a country that’s being ruled by a brutal awful regime, and that’s just totally unthinkable when you do try to relate.
 
Lala said:
It’s a mess that’s what it is.

A humanitarian tragedy which no one seems to have the answer to right now.

These poor families who we see now trying to escape are just like us and our families only they’re now imprisoned in a country that’s being ruled by a brutal awful regime, and that’s just totally unthinkable when you do try to relate.
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I can't believe that we are prioritising airlifting animals (presumably at the expense of airlifting people) and at the say so of the PMs wife (if we are to believe reports). How can you justify that?

www.dailymail.co.uk

Did Carrie intervene to rescue animals stranded in Kabul?

Animal rights campaigner Dominic Dyer claimed that Boris Johnson 'took control' after reading media coverage of Nowzad founder Paul 'Pen' Farthing's war of words with Ben Wallace.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
Lala said:
It’s a mess that’s what it is.

A humanitarian tragedy which no one seems to have the answer to right now.

These poor families who we see now trying to escape are just like us and our families only they’re now imprisoned in a country that’s being ruled by a brutal awful regime, and that’s just totally unthinkable when you do try to relate.
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These poor families aren't just like us. They've been called potential terrorist infiltrators by some on this thread.

The lack of empathy is staggering.
 
Wizaard said:
These poor families aren't just like us. They've been called potential terrorist infiltrators by some on this thread.

The lack of empathy is staggering.
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So non of these families coming here from Afghanistan and indeed across the channel won’t blossom in to some sort of terrorist activity in the future?
Because that statement pretty much says they won’t and if that’s the case and not one single person turns nasty I’am happy with that. 😬🤔
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So non of these families coming here from Afghanistan and indeed across the channel won’t blossom in to some sort of terrorist activity in the future?
Because that statement pretty much says they won’t and if that’s the case and not one single person turns nasty I’am happy with that. 😬🤔
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Presuming it could be any of them so not allowing any in shouldn't be the default position you seem to be espousing.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So non of these families coming here from Afghanistan and indeed across the channel won’t blossom in to some sort of terrorist activity in the future?
Because that statement pretty much says they won’t and if that’s the case and not one single person turns nasty I’am happy with that. 😬🤔
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It's a racist statement. Some children grow up to be murderers. You don't say ban children.
 
Wizaard said:
Presuming it could be any of them so not allowing any in shouldn't be the default position you seem to be espousing.
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I’ve never once said or even suggested we don’t let anyone in.
I’am concerned about the fanatical nut cases amongst them that will come here and rest assured they will.
catinstalbans said:
It's a racist statement. Some children grow up to be murderers. You don't say ban children.
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Racist statement? yer whatever. 😂
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So non of these families coming here from Afghanistan and indeed across the channel won’t blossom in to some sort of terrorist activity in the future?
Because that statement pretty much says they won’t and if that’s the case and not one single person turns nasty I’am happy with that. 😬🤔
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Dream on, the problem is with some people they refuse to see certain risks even when history and experience prove otherwise.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
The exact same fanatical nutcases I’am on about who have just set off what appears to be a suicide bomber killing many at Kabul airport.
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Patrick Mercer saying this is the kind of attack the west is exposing itself to........................anybody care to argue?
 
The people who were in power in America and the UK just after the 9/11 attack on the Trade Centre are responsible for this catastrophic mess in Afganistan along with awful American foreign policy over several decades.
 
Let all those oppressed people in the UK follow what is about to happen in Afghanistan and learn what real oppression is. (That is assuming Biden and his cronies didn't allow this to happen to justify another war.)
 
Matesrates said:
British citizens and Afghans with correct papers now being told not to come to the airport due to a credible terror threat from Isis K. Mind you if you have 200 cats and dogs, you’re ok.
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We love animals as much as anyone else; however, we can't see why the UK is accepting 200+ Afghanistan cats and dogs, when our animal sanctuaries are full and the charities are struggling for money. We really must save the people, but why homeless cats & dogs?
 
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