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Matesrates

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Elon Musk in an interview prior to attending the Safety Summit at Bletchley Park, said that it could lead to the extinction of the human race if environmentalists use it to further their aims.

Thoughts on this subject, is he right, or will it make things exponentially better?
 
Like anything else, human or otherwise, it has to have operating parameters. If these cannot be written into it, it is potentially very damaging.

Read a lot of sci-fi as a kid, it was a vital part of storylines that robots could not harm humans.

Uncontrolled AI could indeed threaten the human race, as we are incredibly destructive. Controlled AI could be a game changer in problem solving
 
Matesrates said:
Elon Musk in an interview prior to attending the Safety Summit at Bletchley Park, said that it could lead to the extinction of the human race if environmentalists use it to further their aims.

Thoughts on this subject, is he right, or will it make things exponentially better?
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Personally I'd be more worried about Elon Musk than environmentalists. The guy is a loose cannon.
 
I've been writing about this recently, the conclusion I'm coming to to is artificial intelligence is only as dangerous as the programming and / or programmers behind it, because at its very best it is automated decision making, if the programming is crap or biased and it often is then the outcome is crap or biased.

What I find deeply interesting and possibly a bit more disturbing, is artificial or non-human higher sentience (ie an ability to comprehend ones own demise) partly because it gets us possibly to questions of our own consciousness and sentience, and secondly the systems of restraint in something like that would be entirely outside of human control in the same way that one human is entirely outside of the control of any other human, bar evolved sociability inducing empathy and co-operation or through coercive means. Got onto this subject a while ago after reading that researchers at MIT and Cambridge concluded that the internet (or parts of it) might be already partly conscious.

I really dont see what issue there would be with environmentalists using AI any more than the AI used in twatter, or in Musk's crappy and rather stupid electric cars.
 
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To replace the party system in parliament and rid the house of AU (Actual Unintelligence), AI will be taking over government ASAP. This will then increase the sensibility of any dictates that are made in the Houses of Parliament, with both the Commons and Lords being scrapped. Savings are expected to be in the millions for the first twelve months alone.
 
Everyone seems to be focusing on the Doomsday scenario where AI somehow wipes out the human race or makes you (sorry us … glitch; adjust algorithm) all slaves.

Seems to me the more immediate risk is jobs.

Maybe we should start by listing the most vulnerable jobs and then try to decide which jobs are least vulnerable?
 
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THANKS mex. it was a heartbreaking experience. worked for Royal Mail for THIRTY TWO years, got ill with Hodgkins Lymphoma. they made it difficult for me. Going back to work was never going to work. I was simply not up to handling heavy work loads. just SHIT managers just eager to get a full time wage off the books. i liked my job and was good at it. to upserting to think about it to often, thank god for my wife and son.
 
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THANKS mex. it was a heartbreaking experience. worked for Royal Mail for THIRTY TWO years, got ill with Hodgkins Lymphoma. they made it difficult for me. Going back to work was never going to work. I was simply not up to handling heavy work loads. just SHIT managers just eager to get a full time wage off the books. i liked my job and was good at it. to upserting to think about it to often, thank god for my wife and son.
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Sorry if I’ve unintentionally brought back unhappy memories. Take care.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Sorry if I’ve unintentionally brought back unhappy memories. Take care.
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NO dont worry . just the way it was. never thought that way. i have a son who goes to the matches when he can . he is 38. JUST glad he is a successful financial advisor / mortgage broker@ Simply Mortgages NW ltd. . please have a look . UTMP.
 
He said in an interview with Rishi, that eventually Ai will mean nobody has to work. If that means everyone just gets paid to enjoy themselves, then I’m all for it.
 
AI is awesome. We use it extensively and yes it will replace jobs.

However new technology always replaces old jobs and society creates totally new roles for humans that were not thought of before. The jobs it will replace are normally the mind numbingly boring jobs that can be automated.

Think car production plants now being mainly robot controlled and as a result build quality is far superior. Typing pools no longer exist, so where did all those people go to?

All of the doomsday stuff is less scary than the human element of decision making (see current wars). Ultimately servers running AI programs need electricity power and this can be disconnected
 
Matesrates said:
He said in an interview with Rishi, that eventually Ai will mean nobody has to work. If that means everyone just gets paid to enjoy themselves, then I’m all for it.
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The basis of many economic theories including Marxism. Technology replaces jobs and increases leisure time.

Except it rarely does (damn you Berners Lee and my slavery to screens) ….!
 
Reading Musk's biography at the moment. To summarise...comes across as a bit of an arse, a fascinating arse but nonetheless an arse. Maybe disappointingly though being an arse has helped him achieve some of the stuff he has. Turns out mankind actually needs a few arses.
 
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I tried ChatGPT this week and it was a bit hit and miss. Many questions were basically answered with, "I can't tell you about that, try elsewhere". I'd say it's up there with some of the laziest and thickest staff I've worked with so far, so it should be able to replace them at least.
 
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Reading Musk's biography at the moment. To summarise...comes across as a bit of an arse, a fascinating arse but nonetheless an arse. Maybe disappointingly though being an arse has helped him achieve some of the stuff he has. Turns out mankind actually needs a few arses.
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But maybe not too many?
 
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Reading Musk's biography at the moment. To summarise...comes across as a bit of an arse, a fascinating arse but nonetheless an arse. Maybe disappointingly though being an arse has helped him achieve some of the stuff he has. Turns out mankind actually needs a few arses.
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The best man for the job is rarely the best man
 
Chunkylad said:
AI is awesome. We use it extensively and yes it will replace jobs.

However new technology always replaces old jobs and society creates totally new roles for humans that were not thought of before. The jobs it will replace are normally the mind numbingly boring jobs that can be automated.

Think car production plants now being mainly robot controlled and as a result build quality is far superior. Typing pools no longer exist, so where did all those people go to?

All of the doomsday stuff is less scary than the human element of decision making (see current wars). Ultimately servers running AI programs need electricity power and this can be disconnected
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Youve probably heard of the Singularity theory, Chunks. It says that AI and robot development will reach their peak at the same time, leading to rapid and possibly unpredictable advancements in technology. 🤯
 
I've listened to a fair few podcasts on this and I'm not sure it going to be a positive outcome for man. Best case millions of jobs get replaced by AI which will cause issues and worse case AI develops a self learning process and with these things being billions of times more intelligent than mankind we would no longer be the dominant species on earth. In the immediate future the threat to democracy is real with AI generated voices/images or videos to sound like the real person which can spread disinformation. Humans are now entering a new arms race, China and the US will be frantically trying to beat the other, that alone is bad news.
 
There are different levels of AI with Alexa etc. being the most basic.
Next level AI is where systems can sympathise with human needs.
Next, next level is where systems have to satisfy their own needs.

Just as scary for me is how some justify Elon Musk's eccentricities/power with his wealth, like it is the main measure of a man.
 
The biggest elephant in the room is that ML/AI, call it what you want is a bit of a closed black box - you can see what it does (to some extent) but you don't know fully how each model does it. It has got many use cases where safety and accuracy isn't so important but how do you pass each model and each subsequent version of a model as safe when you can't currently test it fully - by definition it's intended to solve the sort of complex problems that traditional development can't easily solve cause there are too many paths and parameters to be manually coded/tested. How can you be sure that it's doing exactly what you want and doing it consistently and in all cases. Maybe the only thing capable of testing AI is AI but then you're stuck with the same problem.
 
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