Ale drinkers

1966_and_all_that said:
Today I mailed the SLO congratulating the Club on introducing both the Heinken Lounge and the Moretti Lounge. I noted however, that there was nothing for us cask ale drinkers. I suggested the introduction of 1 x 9 gallon cask of ale to each of the West bars, just to test demand. That way there would be no waste and it might just take off. Steve replied that he would put it to the Board.

Can't do any harm eh?
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Got to say……who wants Heineken and Morretti……we want Vocation, Farm Yard, Saltaire, Crankshaft, Seven Brothers etc……great tasting beers, out of cans at right price 👍👍👍👍👍
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Yes keep chilled easily lasts 4 weeks.

Real Ale out of a tin is crap might as well drink lager.
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Jaffa, what are you on about 4 weeks? You can chill it as much as you like but the fact is real ale has around 5 days once the keg is opened, after that it goes off and is undrinkable, chilling it won't make any difference.

There are two issues here, number one is speed of service, it takes time to pull a pint of real ale and time is of an essence at a football club bar when the queues are huge at peak times just before kick off and at half time.

The second one is waste, there are 72 pints in a firkin, at the end of every game you will have so many pints left in each one and unless you have a home game on the following Tuesday that beer will end up getting thrown away, so any profit will be poured down the drain, then even if you had a game on the Tuesday, once more beer would have to be thrown away at the end of the night.

Hence why football clubs don't do cask beer guys.
 
Matesrates said:
It would also slow down the already slow service.
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There is that. I was thinking of having a dedicated ale server so that you place your order with one of the general members of staff, who notifies the ale server. That person immediately starts pulling your pint(s) so that when you've got your pies/hot dogs etc and have paid, you can pick up your ales at the end of the bar.
 
Raging_Bull said:
Jaffa, what are you on about 4 weeks? You can chill it as much as you like but the fact is real ale has around 5 days once the keg is opened, after that it goes off and is undrinkable, chilling it won't make any difference.

There are two issues here, number one is speed of service, it takes time to pull a pint of real ale and time is of an essence at a football club bar when the queues are huge at peak times just before kick off and at half time.

The second one is waste, there are 72 pints in a firkin, at the end of every game you will have so many pints left in each one and unless you have a home game on the following Tuesday that beer will end up getting thrown away, so any profit will be poured down the drain, then even if you had a game on the Tuesday, once more beer would have to be thrown away at the end of the night.

Hence why football clubs don't do cask beer guys.
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Regarding speed of service, see mine at #58. As regards wastage, I covered that in the OP by limiting the trial to 1 x 9 gallon cask per bar in the West stand bars. I would expect that to sell out early - certainly before kick off.
 
charnleysball said:
Got to say……who wants Heineken and Morretti……we want Vocation, Farm Yard, Saltaire, Crankshaft, Seven Brothers etc……great tasting beers, out of cans at right price 👍👍👍👍👍
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Moretti is fine as far as I'm concerned, but you can add Williams Bros to that list... 😉
 
Raging_Bull said:
Jaffa, what are you on about 4 weeks? You can chill it as much as you like but the fact is real ale has around 5 days once the keg is opened, after that it goes off and is undrinkable, chilling it won't make any difference.

There are two issues here, number one is speed of service, it takes time to pull a pint of real ale and time is of an essence at a football club bar when the queues are huge at peak times just before kick off and at half time.

The second one is waste, there are 72 pints in a firkin, at the end of every game you will have so many pints left in each one and unless you have a home game on the following Tuesday that beer will end up getting thrown away, so any profit will be poured down the drain, then even if you had a game on the Tuesday, once more beer would have to be thrown away at the end of the night.

Hence why football clubs don't do cask beer guys.
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Your right Bull I was specifically talking about (bitter) in a barrel that last 3-4 weeks not a keg of real ale.

It was getting late last night and sleep was getting ahead of me. 🥹
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Pretty sure for a period it had a guest mild on which I’am sure it was Chester’s.

I could have the pub wrong of course as it was 45 years ago. 🙄

Just read above yes more than likely it was the Veevers so cheers. 👍
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They had Chesters mild in the Washington.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
There is that. I was thinking of having a dedicated ale server so that you place your order with one of the general members of staff, who notifies the ale server. That person immediately starts pulling your pint(s) so that when you've got your pies/hot dogs etc and have paid, you can pick up your ales at the end of the bar.
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I can’t see it working, I had six, pub/ bars/ restaurants of my own, with four of them selling real ale. Apart from the time issue, there would undoubtedly be waste. Even if there was a Tuesday match, they’d have to draw off and clean lines at the end of Saturday. It’s just not practical.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Regarding speed of service, see mine at #58. As regards wastage, I covered that in the OP by limiting the trial to 1 x 9 gallon cask per bar in the West stand bars. I would expect that to sell out early - certainly before kick off.
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It's a right faff though isn't it really...?

It's not really something that a Club can offer at any sort of scale, so essentially they'd just be offering a loss making 'option' to please a few Ale connoisseurs. The easiest thing to do would be to maybe stock a craft beer (IPA) type option in a can perhaps.. It's not ideal, but it's a reasonable compromise.
 
I’ve suggested this to the club before and I believe they did have an agreement with Farm Yard Ales but obviously not! Went in 53 with a friend last week - pint of John Smiths was dire! ( only alternative was Heineken which my lager drinking mate said tasted awful as well!). Needless to say we stuck to coffee after that - club losing revenue - and drank after game elsewhere !
 
Matesrates said:
I can’t see it working, I had six, pub/ bars/ restaurants of my own, with four of them selling real ale. Apart from the time issue, there would undoubtedly be waste. Even if there was a Tuesday match, they’d have to draw off and clean lines at the end of Saturday. It’s just not practical.
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As 66 suggests for starters in would be one keg 72 pints at each bar.
I appreciate a lot more lager gets drunk in the grounds these days (and in general) but the more mature generation tend to drink that horrible John Smith's in the ground simply because there is no other bitter on offer so surely these people would try a pint or two of cask Ale?
As I said previously I can actually see more than one keg being required at some of the bar outlets as a good few people go to the ground by 2:15/2:30pm and start drinking as you struggle to get served at the Armfield club and pubs around the ground at that time.
With the 15 minutes at half time that’s the best part of an hour to consume just 72 pints.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It's a right faff though isn't it really...?

It's not really something that a Club can offer at any sort of scale, so essentially they'd just be offering a loss making 'option' to please a few Ale connoisseurs. The easiest thing to do would be to maybe stock a craft beer (IPA) type option in a can perhaps.. It's not ideal, but it's a reasonable compromise.
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Its not a compromise for the people who like English ales and not the modern craft beers with American hops.

But I basically agree with you about the faff thing. They're not going to take that on. There's pubs nearby that cater.
 
Matesrates said:
I can’t see it working, I had six, pub/ bars/ restaurants of my own, with four of them selling real ale. Apart from the time issue, there would undoubtedly be waste. Even if there was a Tuesday match, they’d have to draw off and clean lines at the end of Saturday. It’s just not practical.
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I'm not trying to be bloody minded here and I bow to your experience and greater knowledge. However it should be possible to have one cask cooled, tapped and vented, ready to go and have the ale served directly from it. No lines to clean.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It's a right faff though isn't it really...?

It's not really something that a Club can offer at any sort of scale, so essentially they'd just be offering a loss making 'option' to please a few Ale connoisseurs. The easiest thing to do would be to maybe stock a craft beer (IPA) type option in a can perhaps.. It's not ideal, but it's a reasonable compromise.
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Maybe x3, maybe. I'd still like a trial though.
 
voyeur said:
Its not a compromise for the people who like English ales and not the modern craft beers with American hops.

But I basically agree with you about the faff thing. They're not going to take that on. There's pubs nearby that cater.
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They could maybe arrange a bring your own rotokeg facility and charge corkage perhaps 👍
 
Worth a trial I suppose. The sale of the Farmyard Seasiders ale in a can seemed fairly popular last season ?
Problem in the west is the bars aren’t fit for purpose. Too small an area for too many people.
It won’t matter what’s on the bar if you can’t physically get to the bar. The only remedy I can see to ease the congestion is to allow you to take a pint to your seat.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Regarding speed of service, see mine at #58. As regards wastage, I covered that in the OP by limiting the trial to 1 x 9 gallon cask per bar in the West stand bars. I would expect that to sell out early - certainly before kick off.
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It has been tried many times before and always failed, what happens is they get one keg in and they run out so get two in, the second keg gets half drunk and they end up throwing away 36 pints and so on and so forth.
 
Pretty sure Coventry have Purity beer bars, selling a choice of 2 hand pulled beers, in plastic glasses. It's been pretty good whenever I've had it. I'd love something similar at Bloomfield Rd. Would be great if the Brew Room, for example, could run it - selling their own beers. I'd be well happy with a pint of Blackpool Blonde before a game.
 
OK another day breaks and I've slept on this thread. Thanks all posters, including those criticising the idea of trialling ale in the West stand bars. The criticisms have been constructive and, taken as a whole piece, probably convincing. I'll see if anything comes of it with the Board but I doubt it will. Oh well, ever onward. UTP!
 
Westby said:
I’ve suggested this to the club before and I believe they did have an agreement with Farm Yard Ales but obviously not! Went in 53 with a friend last week - pint of John Smiths was dire! ( only alternative was Heineken which my lager drinking mate said tasted awful as well!). Needless to say we stuck to coffee after that - club losing revenue - and drank after game elsewhere !
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The big brewery don't like competition.
 
Raging_Bull said:
Jaffa, what are you on about 4 weeks? You can chill it as much as you like but the fact is real ale has around 5 days once the keg is opened, after that it goes off and is undrinkable, chilling it won't make any difference.

There are two issues here, number one is speed of service, it takes time to pull a pint of real ale and time is of an essence at a football club bar when the queues are huge at peak times just before kick off and at half time.

The second one is waste, there are 72 pints in a firkin, at the end of every game you will have so many pints left in each one and unless you have a home game on the following Tuesday that beer will end up getting thrown away, so any profit will be poured down the drain, then even if you had a game on the Tuesday, once more beer would have to be thrown away at the end of the night.

Hence why football clubs don't do cask beer guys.
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Brighton do. Accrington do. It's not impossible.
 
Raging_Bull said:
And the other 90 clubs don't? Like i said the main issue is wastage, but then I didn't mention you need staff to tap and vent it, you cannot ask any Joe Bloggs to take care of real ale, it's a skill in itself.
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I don't know if any others do. Haven't been to them all recently. Don't disagree with what you're saying, but it's not impossible and worth thinking about to make us a little different.
 
I guess it's not sold at football matches because there is no appetite for warm brown beer other than a few older beardy types.
 
Raging_Bull said:
Jaffa, what are you on about 4 weeks? You can chill it as much as you like but the fact is real ale has around 5 days once the keg is opened, after that it goes off and is undrinkable, chilling it won't make any difference.

There are two issues here, number one is speed of service, it takes time to pull a pint of real ale and time is of an essence at a football club bar when the queues are huge at peak times just before kick off and at half time.

The second one is waste, there are 72 pints in a firkin, at the end of every game you will have so many pints left in each one and unless you have a home game on the following Tuesday that beer will end up getting thrown away, so any profit will be poured down the drain, then even if you had a game on the Tuesday, once more beer would have to be thrown away at the end of the night.

Hence why football clubs don't do cask beer guys.
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case closed Bully 👍
 
I note the usual drinking snobbery on here lads.

I like Real Ale……so that will draw hatred

I also like Lager…..so that will draw hatred


heres an idea…..just drink what you like and don’t worry about anyone else‘s preferences as they are immaterial to you….


what do you think?
 
Bloodtangerine said:
I note the usual drinking snobbery on here lads.

I like Real Ale……so that will draw hatred

I also like Lager…..so that will draw hatred


heres an idea…..just drink what you like and don’t worry about anyone else‘s preferences as they are immaterial to you….


what do you think?
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You've gotten old pal. What happened?

Too much folk music. Hope you've not gotten a tweed jacket with patches on the elbows and joined CAMRA 😧😏
 
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