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What I find even more immoral is the new government line of using the deaths of civilians and soldiers in Ukraine to try to deflect away from the fact that he lied to Parliament.
He has no honour; no morals; no empathy; no care for the country he leads.
On the day of the first of a number of fines issued he's schmoozing his MP's at a 5 star hotel.
And why are those fined not being named?
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southshorepool said:
What I find even more immoral is the new government line of using the deaths of civilians and soldiers in Ukraine to try to deflect away from the fact that he lied to Parliament.
He has no honour; no morals; no empathy; no care for the country he leads.
On the day of the first of a number of fines issued he's schmoozing his MP's at a 5 star hotel.
And why are those fined not being named?
Cult of Boris replies in 3, 2, 1
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Seriously, which is the more important at the present time, a buffoon lying in Parliament or a madman killing innocent civilians and attacking a neighbouring country, as well as possibly threatening the world with nuclear extinction? I know which I would plump for!
 
Curryman said:
Seriously, which is the more important at the present time, a buffoon lying in Parliament or a madman killing innocent civilians and attacking a neighbouring country, as well as possibly threatening the world with nuclear extinction? I know which I would plump for!
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An untrustworthy, oligarch friendly PM and a mad man slaughtering civilians in their thousands?

Why should we tolerate either?
 
TangerineBayern said:
PMQ could be a bit feisty today with mud slinging from both sides, Partygate and can women have a penis 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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Particularly now that Potty Mouth Raynor has entered the argument by saying ' I don’t get asked – I present as a woman, people don’t ask me, “Have you got a penis.” And I think that’s wholly right. And there’s protections in place to protect women only spaces and vulnerabilities around that. And there’s protections in place to support people who are transitioning, who have identity concerns.'
 
Newholland said:
WE don’t have to... WE can vote one out... which is why one is far more serious than the other.
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People stupidly voted for him in the past after falling for lie after lie promises. What makes you think next time will be any different? Britain has now got the politicians it deserves because they fell for all the fairy tales in the lead up to elections and referendums.
 
Curryman said:
Seriously, which is the more important at the present time, a buffoon lying in Parliament or a madman killing innocent civilians and attacking a neighbouring country, as well as possibly threatening the world with nuclear extinction? I know which I would plump for!
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I'm not buying that. Reece Mogg saying these allegations were "fluff" was the start of this. Not fluff to those who couldn't see their dying relatives. If we're going to convince the world that we are a country that others should aspire to and be a template for openness; rule of law and equality then that's how we should act.
I concede partly that in terms of immediate importance, the war in Ukraine trumps parties over lockdown, but once this is over, it will be something else that they will hide behind.
We also changed Prime Minister once when we were actually in real tangible danger so there is a precedent.
 
Shandypants said:
Proving to be fairly difficult with 1st past the post system rather than PR. Concentrate on buttering up a few marginal seats and power is yours, easy as that.
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Agree with that our two party can only win power is shite and since Labour lost Scotland(56 MPs 1997 GE) it's going to be even harder for them to get in power.
 
In today's PMQs, when challenged on tax rises while claiming they were cutting taxes, his defence was there's a pandemic and a war in Ukraine to pay for.

Cynically conning the public and as can seen on here, they're falling for it.

No PM in history has ever been questioned by police over criminal breaches of the laws they set.

How anyone can support this charlatan is beyond belief.
 
The law breaking is trivial but the principle is a big one.
The law should apply equally to both prince and pauper.

This PM broke the special laws that his government made and has mislead the house about it (which should be a resigning offence).
Incidentally I think he has probably told yet more lies at PMQs today about reducing child poverty figures.
It is easy to appear to win any argument if you just make things up like Johnson does. He is dragging British politics to an all time low where the truth has no value. Boosterism won't pay the electricity bill.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Did he?

AFAIK he's not one of those who's been fined, so on what basis do you make that statement?
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I make the statement on the basis of the evidence that is already in the public domain. Whether he does or does not get fined will not alter my view that he broke the law at the time. several barristers have already stated this publicly so they must be very confident that it is true.
And on the second part of the statement he has certainly mislead the houses of parliament about his knowledge of events. That is why Starmer, a lawyer, went with that today at PMQs.

We don't yet know if Johnson is amongst those who have been fined and there are more fines to be issued.
Don't you ever get tired of defending the indefensible?
Whatever happens Johnson comes out of this looking very bad.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
I make the statement on the basis of the evidence that is already in the public domain. Whether he does or does not get fined will not alter my view that he broke the law at the time. several barristers have already stated this publicly so they must be very confident that it is true.
And on the second part of the statement he has certainly mislead the houses of parliament about his knowledge of events. That is why Starmer, a lawyer, went with that today at PMQs.

We don't yet know if Johnson is amongst those who have been fined and there are more fines to be issued.
Don't you ever get tired of defending the indefensible?
Whatever happens Johnson comes out of this looking very bad.
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So it's your opinion then, my opinion is that he didn't break the law.
 
Lost Seasider said:
So it's your opinion then, my opinion is that he didn't break the law.
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Good, I'm not surprised that you think that.

But if you look at the available evidence objectively I don't think that you can come to any other conclusion than that he broke the law at the time. If he doesn't get fined, BTW, it doesn't mean that he didn't break the law, it just means that he didn't get fined. This kind of legal hair splitting that Johnson and his fan club are doing, just looks silly, he may well get off on a technicality but morally he is in a bad place (as he always is).

I do wonder if there is more incriminating evidence that will be put in the public domain after the police investigation is concluded.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
People stupidly voted for him in the past after falling for lie after lie promises. What makes you think next time will be any different? Britain has now got the politicians it deserves because they fell for all the fairy tales in the lead up to elections and referendums.
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I voted for him... calling me stupid is the reason I couldn’t vote for the alternative presented to me at the time... the only credible party capable of ousting the current government now have a leadership that doesn’t think because I didn’t vote them I’m stupid and that is why I think it will be different.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Good, I'm not surprised that you think that.

But if you look at the available evidence objectively I don't think that you can come to any other conclusion than that he broke the law at the time.
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Okay, what do you think was the clearest example of him breaking the law, because I can't think of any clear-cut examples.
 
From what we’ve seen it appears he did break the law, but we’ve no actual evidence, that will be looked at by the police and we’ll subsequently see the Sue Gray report. Until then we don’t know for certain if he broke the law. Innocent until proven guilty still applies in this country I believe.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Okay, what do you think was the clearest example of him breaking the law, because I can't think of any clear-cut examples.
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Attending 6 of the 12 gatherings under investigation may be a clue. If it's found he didn't break the law himself then we must accept that. What we shouldn't accept is that he is the boss and under his leadership, a culture has developed whereby the sort of behaviour warranting fines has prevailed. He's either an incompetent leader or he commands no respect from those under him.
 
southshorepool said:
Ok. The fines handed out were for .........(finish the sentence with whatever bollocks you cook up).
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Not wearing masks
not socially distancing
not washing hands properly
bringing their own booze
eating sausage rolls
having meetings that weren’t meetings
singing happy birthday, but not while washing hands
 
Curryman said:
Seriously, which is the more important at the present time, a buffoon lying in Parliament or a madman killing innocent civilians and attacking a neighbouring country, as well as possibly threatening the world with nuclear extinction? I know which I would plump for!
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There can be more than one issue at once you know...
 
Curryman said:
Particularly now that Potty Mouth Raynor has entered the argument by saying ' I don’t get asked – I present as a woman, people don’t ask me, “Have you got a penis.” And I think that’s wholly right. And there’s protections in place to protect women only spaces and vulnerabilities around that. And there’s protections in place to support people who are transitioning, who have identity concerns.'
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I smell misrepresentation.
 
southshorepool said:
What I find even more immoral is the new government line of using the deaths of civilians and soldiers in Ukraine to try to deflect away from the fact that he lied to Parliament.
He has no honour; no morals; no empathy; no care for the country he leads.
On the day of the first of a number of fines issued he's schmoozing his MP's at a 5 star hotel.
And why are those fined not being named?
Cult of Boris replies in 3, 2, 1
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In reality no different from most Prime ministers/politicians over the years…
 
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