Tell that to Fiona Bruce. Tory didnt argue!The figures say around 230K tests per day
your own figures say only 80,000 a day,
I know you're trying to do your best but don't talk absolute garb!The figures say around 230K tests per day
Strange isn't how Tories don't want their party or Leader to be criticised over their management of the pandemic.Labour MP lambasted by entrepreneur for trying to score political points from the pandemic.
Daily Data
17/09/2020
Pillar 1 Tests Processed - 79,465
Pillar 2 Tests Processed - 156,754
Like I said, Fiona Bruce said it. I just happened to be watching. Quite comical!You have a source for this?
Bifster has already provided the breakdown, earlier in the thread. Fiona Bruce was wrong.I think it’s 80,000 people being tested, some more than once, hence actual tests are 200k.
Sorry don't have a spare hour to waste.Why dont you all watch the re run of Question Time and make your own minds up?
I was watching inbetween episodes of family guySorry don't have a spare hour to waste.
It does, but the duplicate testing accounts for around 20%. Certainly not more than double.If I’m not mistaken, the breakdown refers to number of tests done, not number of people tested.
Would make sense that I guess.It does, but the duplicate testing accounts for around 20%. Certainly not more than double.
Maybe Fiona was referencing Pillar 1 tests only?
Maybe Fiona was referencing Pillar 1 tests only?
Pillar 1 is only about 60,000, so I'm doubtful.
The only written reference I can find to the 80,000 figure is in The Mirror:
"At the moment around 70,000 to 80,000 tests are done daily"
However there is no source for the above claim and no indication at where it may have come from.
One thing I do notice in the article is: "The proportion of in-person results returned within 24 hours plunged to 33.3%"
Now, the claimed daily testing for Pillars one and two has been floating between 210,000 - 240,000 for the last week or so and I can't help but notice that if you multiply that figure by the percentage mentioned above you end up with (drum roll.......) 70,000 - 80,000.
So is that where the figure comes from? If so do I have to point out how bogus it is to say that if the results aren't returned within 24 hours the test hasn't been done at all?
I’d believe anything Fiona told me to be honestPillar 1 was just under 80,000 on 17/9 (see link to ONS data)
That said, the 24 hour theory could add up. Whichever way you look at it, you’d expect both Fiona Bruce to be better researched and the Tory dude should have had those figures to be able to quote with confidence.
That said, if the host appears so confident, then I suppose you might start to question yourself
ManI’d believe anything Fiona told me to be honest
Pillar 1 was just under 80,000 on 17/9 (see link to ONS data)
Whichever way you look at it, you’d expect both Fiona Bruce to be better researched and the Tory dude should have had those figures to be able to quote with confidence.
@TwelveAngryMen has inadvertently given us a little clue on another thread.
If you watch what FB said (just around 13:00 minutes into the programme) she claimed 81,000, which is a very specific number.
If the reference was to pillar one only then why 81,000 and not 79,000, or even better 79,465, and why pick out one particular day when the average for the week is actually much lower?
The use of a round number is suspicious, why use it when exact ones are available?
Going back to my earlier theory, if you multiply 81,000 by 3 you end up with 243,000, which it turns out is almost exactly the latest published P1 & P2 capacity (242,911).
So is that what happened, someone has taken total capacity, assumed that the proportion of tests returned within 24 hours somehow relates to capacity and simply multiplied the two figures.
It seems bizarre, but then I'm reasonably comfortable with maths and statistics and it's surely too much of co-incidence that the figures tie up so closely.
Presumably QT employs researchers to do this sort of thing and the 81,000 figure likely came from one of them, I should imagine that they vary in ability so it's quite possible that this one couldn't tell one number from another and simply screwed things up.
I didn't watch much of the rest but the Conservative did have the figures to hand and did dispute the claim AFAICS.
How I read it is that the overall numbers given include repeat tests of which apparently there are loads and new tests. It could well be that both sides are correct.
Possible, but I don't think so.
Firstly, this is supposedly government data, but they don't seem to have published anything like this since May so where has it come from?
Secondly, Mr Hancock was given this figure on Sky and he simply had no idea where it came from, were it some kind of offical government statistic even used out of context one might hope that he would be able to recognise it.
Finally, yes there is lots of repeat testing, care home workers get tested weekly, NHS staff possibly even more often, aparently about 50% of all testing goes on them and other key workers, but unless you think we should'nt be testing healthcare workers there's no logical reason to exclude them from the testing figures.
So until I see something more concrete than "Fiona Bruce said" I'm sticking with my guess that this is simply a screw up by a BBC researcher.
The weekly report from NHS Test and Trace reports that testing capacity in the week to 2 September was just under 2.5 million tests or an average of 357,000 tests a day, with 1.3 million tests actually processed – an average of 190,000 tests per day. The report says that 436,884 people were newly tested for coronavirus in the week, a number which does not include repeat testing of individuals in high contact professions.
Interesting points
I recall Louise Minchin pulling the Govt up for quoting 250k tests on Breakfast News on Monday or Tuesday and saying that was capacity not number of tests completed - and the Minister backed down and conceded she was right
Something is amiss as the chaos over bookings doesn't suggest that the system is working anything like as it should
Wow, I didn’t know that. Talk about inflating numbers to suit, it’s appalling.Pillar 1 and Pillar 2 are all swab tests (ie nose and throat swabs on each individual). The government count the two swabs as two tests so the figure of 230k (pillar 1/2) tests processed per day is immediately a maximum of 115k individuals. So the number of individuals tested is 115k maximum.
They use the same test for both the nose and throat sample. It doesn’t require 2 tests per person.Pillar 1 and Pillar 2 are all swab tests (ie nose and throat swabs on each individual). The government count the two swabs as two tests so the figure of 230k (pillar 1/2) tests processed per day is immediately a maximum of 115k individuals. So the number of individuals tested is 115k maximum.
You didn’t know it because it’s not true.Wow, I didn’t know that. Talk about inflating numbers to suit, it’s appalling.
You didn’t know it because it’s not true.
Stop talking bollox and making me look stupid for believing you.Pillar 1 and Pillar 2 are all swab tests (ie nose and throat swabs on each individual). The government count the two swabs as two tests so the figure of 230k (pillar 1/2) tests processed per day is immediately a maximum of 115k individuals. So the number of individuals tested is 115k maximum.
Apologies - originally they were counting swabs/saliva as 2 different tests. Looks like they change the accounting methodology and I missed the change.Stop talking bollox and making me look stupid for believing you.
Stop talking bollox and making me look stupid for believing you.