At what point does the manager have to go.

[the_stockport_one]

Even if SS backs him, he at what point would he have to go because I listen to some and they are so entrenched to the Appleton in stance that yhey would keep him even with relegation.
Others want him gone now.
My own view is if rather take the opportunity to change now than change when it really is too late.
We might now need 8 or 9 winns and to achieve that MA would have to be tactically should which he's not and have the crowd 100% engaged which it isn't.
The players looked as those as hard as they try they have no structure to their play,

 

[southshorepool]

Even if SS backs him, he at what point would he have to go because I listen to some and they are so entrenched to the Appleton in stance that yhey would keep him even with relegation.
Others want him gone now.
My own view is if rather take the opportunity to change now than change when it really is too late.
We might now need 8 or 9 winns and to achieve that MA would have to be tactically should which he's not and have the crowd 100% engaged which it isn't.
The players looked as those as hard as they try they have no structure to their play,

The 'Appleton in' group are, uncannily, some of the same ones who criticised Critchley....the manager who actually got us promoted and comfortably kept us up. And one or two of the same posters weren't keen on Holloway either. Pattern developing. Smiles.

 

[Seasideforever]

We need 9 wins so we would have to change while we still have a chance to stay up ,going down is unthinkable .Lose to Sunderland and I’d maybe change it giving a new manager a couple of freeby games before we embark on the 8/9 wins later in January,just my thoughts

 

[Adams Kebab]

Even if SS backs him, he at what point would he have to go because I listen to some and they are so entrenched to the Appleton in stance that yhey would keep him even with relegation.
Others want him gone now.
My own view is if rather take the opportunity to change now than change when it really is too late.
We might now need 8 or 9 winns and to achieve that MA would have to be tactically should which he's not and have the crowd 100% engaged which it isn't.
The players looked as those as hard as they try they have no structure to their play,

He shouldn’t have got the job based on his managerial career, but he did and the time to change was after Wigan. They didn’t and I think they are going to back him in January & give him chance with better players.

A heavy defeat to Sunderland could change that, if things don’t improve its early/mid February and he’ll have to go.

The squad needs 4-5 players to go in the starting 11.

 

[A_Tense_Grin]

Yesterday?

 

[Mexboroseasider]

The 'Appleton in' group are, uncannily, some of the same ones who criticised Critchley....the manager who actually got us promoted and comfortably kept us up. And one or two of the same posters weren't keen on Holloway either. Pattern developing. Smiles.

Odd isn’t it.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

Even if SS backs him, he at what point would he have to go because I listen to some and they are so entrenched to the Appleton in stance that yhey would keep him even with relegation.
Others want him gone now.
My own view is if rather take the opportunity to change now than change when it really is too late.
We might now need 8 or 9 winns and to achieve that MA would have to be tactically should which he's not and have the crowd 100% engaged which it isn't.
The players looked as those as hard as they try they have no structure to their play,

This is very reminiscent of the last days of Grayson.

As with this season I wasn’t able to get to matches for a while, but followed the “Grayson Out” debate on avftt. I finally managed to get to Wycombe to see what all the fuss was about.

And it really was dire and I understood.

Grayson was gone a short while later. In Feb. After 4 points from a possible 27. My next match will be Watford.

 

[Seaside Aggro]

Let’s be honest, he shouldn’t have got a championship job. He was nailed on to rock up for a stint at Salford in the next couple of years.

 

[Tiptree Tangerine]

Appleton has had a total of 77 matches at championship level in his managerial career and achieved a points per match average of 1.03, and only 1.36 from his 356 games as a manager and that higher average is largely down to his league two record.

We probably need 1.2 points per match to stay up, so why should we feel any confidence that it can be achieved if we stick as is. I don't think backing him in the January window will change anything.

 

[WLDTangerine]

He’s been trusted with a long contract so we should see out a good chunk of it. If we go down this year(I don’t think we will) I’d be confident he could bring us back up.

Let’s face it, if we went down who would want any of our players in the championship besides Grimshaw, Ekpiteta and Yates. This is the reason we’re struggling not because of the manager!

 

[hertfordseasider]

This is very reminiscent of the last days of Grayson.

As with this season I wasn’t able to get to matches for a while, but followed the “Grayson Out” debate on avftt. I finally managed to get to Wycombe to see what all the fuss was about.

And it really was dire and I understood.

Grayson was gone a short while later. In Feb. After 4 points from a possible 27. My next match will be Watford.

See you there

 

[Mexboroseasider]

See you there

Yep. Looking forward to it. Can’t say what state I’ll be in though.

 

[Hazi]

2026 when fighting for re election some on here might then think a change would be good, up until then it will all be Bullshits fault obvs

 

[the_stockport_one]

2026 when fighting for re election some on here might then think a change would be good, up until then it will all be Bullshits fault obvs

Was thinking the same hence the thread. I'm sure some will say Appleton can get us promoted from whatever league he gets us in to. Deluded. Com

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

Yeah and the same people who forced Ince out now want Appleton gone

4 managers after Ince and a total of 11 wins between them and 2 relegations

Patterns indeed........

 

[TANGERINETOWERPOWER]

He shouldn’t have got the job based on his managerial career, but he did and the time to change was after Wigan. They didn’t and I think they are going to back him in January & give him chance with better players.

A heavy defeat to Sunderland could change that, if things don’t improve its early/mid February and he’ll have to go.

The squad needs 4-5 players to go in the starting 11.

I think this just about nails it...he should have gone after Wigan and the world cup has saved him...we wont get rid now until its too late and the subsequent relegation will be hard to swallow...I feel we are going down without a whimper and sleepwalking towards League 1...if Beesley playing left midfield is the answer then just remind me of the question again

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

I think this just about nails it...he should have gone after Wigan and the world cup has saved him...we wont get rid now until its too late and the subsequent relegation will be hard to swallow...I feel we are going down without a whimper and sleepwalking towards League 1...if Beesley playing left midfield is the answer then just remind me of the question again

Beesley obviously isn't the answer to our wide problems neither is CJ

We sold our best winger and the other 2 are injured

 

[TANGERINETOWERPOWER]

Beesley obviously isn't the answer to our wide problems neither is CJ

We sold our best winger and the other 2 are injured

Ive got news for you Lavery also isnt the answer at left wing...we just dont have the personnel to play the way Appleton stubbornly tries and the guy has absolutely no plan B. He has been dealt a shit hand but came into the job with his eyes wide open and knew what was going to happen. He plain and simply isnt fit for purpose and imho we are down if he stays...

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

Ive got news for you Lavery also isnt the answer at left wing...we just dont have the personnel to play the way Appleton stubbornly tries and the guy has absolutely no plan B. He has been dealt a shit hand but came into the job with his eyes wide open and knew what was going to happen. He plain and simply isnt fit for purpose and imho we are down if he stays...

So who plays wide then?

I keep seeing all this blaming the manager stuff but nobody has any sensible suggestions

 

[NewburyOne]

Sticking with him and accepting relegation is financial suicide. The loss of TV revenue would be huge, the drop in season ticket sales would be quite something also. League 1 under Appleton would take us back to sub-5K attendances.

The answer to the question was 6 weeks ago but I'd accept this week!

 

[LA1 Seasider]

So who plays wide then?

I keep seeing all this blaming the manager stuff but nobody has any sensible suggestions

You don’t have to play with wingers. We could use wing backs and 3 central defenders in order to give them more freedom to roam. Connolly isn’t ideally suited to RWB but could and Gabriel, Lyons and Corbineau can play there. Thompson and Garbutt are more suited to the LWB role than that of LB.

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

Sticking with him and accepting relegation is financial suicide. The loss of TV revenue would be huge, the drop in season ticket sales would be quite something also. League 1 under Appleton would take us back to sub-5K attendances.

The answer to the question was 6 weeks ago but I'd accept this week!

Nobody is accepting relegation

I see a group of players and a manger trying their best to get results

It's just a section of our fanbase giving up

 

[Lytham_fy8]

The 'Appleton in' group are, uncannily, some of the same ones who criticised Critchley....the manager who actually got us promoted and comfortably kept us up. And one or two of the same posters weren't keen on Holloway either. Pattern developing. Smiles.

If you back the wrong horse it's tricky to step down.

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

You don’t have to play with wingers. We could use wing backs and 3 central defenders in order to give them more freedom to roam. Connolly isn’t ideally suited to RWB but could and Gabriel, Lyons and Corbineau can play there. Thompson and Garbutt are more suited to the LWB role than that of LB.

You don’t have to play with wingers. We could use wing backs and 3 central defenders in order to give them more freedom to roam. Connolly isn’t ideally suited to RWB but could and Gabriel, Lyons and Corbineau can play there. Thompson and Garbutt are more suited to the LWB role than that of LB.

Are you joking or are you on crack?

We tried 3 at the back when he had even more injury problems and the manager got slaughtered for it after defeats at Millwall and Rotherham

 

[td53]

You don’t have to play with wingers. We could use wing backs and 3 central defenders in order to give them more freedom to roam. Connolly isn’t ideally suited to RWB but could and Gabriel, Lyons and Corbineau can play there. Thompson and Garbutt are more suited to the LWB role than that of LB.

Gabriel is crocked, I'd not trust Theo to defend against some kids with a water pistol let alone championship footballers, Lyons is ineligible till forest, Garbutt is slow as fuck.

So, yeah, maybe Thommo is suited. We've only got 3 centre halves so we'd better pray they stay fit!

The manager should have been doing better by playing injured players or players we haven't signed...

 

[td53]

Are you joking or are you on crack?

We tried 3 at the back when he had even more injury problems and the manager got slaughtered for it after defeats at Millwall and Rotherham

This is true. I defended him playing three at the back and I got absolutely hammered for it.

 

[LA1 Seasider]

Gabriel is crocked, I'd not trust Theo to defend against some kids with a water pistol let alone championship footballers, Lyons is ineligible till forest, Garbutt is slow as fuck.

So, yeah, maybe Thommo is suited. We've only got 3 centre halves so we'd better pray they stay fit!

The manager should have been doing better by playing injured players or players we haven't signed...

Are you joking or are you on crack?

We tried 3 at the back when he had even more injury problems and the manager got slaughtered for it after defeats at Millwall and Rotherham

Theo played at RWB on loan at Wednesday last season. Garbutt isn’t quick but doesn’t need to rely on pure pace to play the position.

And just because a tactic hasn’t worked under Appleton doesn’t mean it can’t work with another manager. Better coaching, instructions and preparation plays a major role. Appleton chopping and changing due to injuries is hardly the point at which you should measure the relative success of a potential alternative set up.

 

[Jakeyr]

Should of gone before the world cup

 

[NewburyOne]

Nobody is accepting relegation

I see a group of players and a manger trying their best to get results

It's just a section of our fanbase giving up

That's not true either is it. You think sticking with a failing manager is the answer to stopping relegation, the vast majority think our best chance of staying up is by replacing him. We are almost at the point of no return, it really is stick or twist for the board.

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

That's not true either is it. You think sticking with a failing manager is the answer to stopping relegation, the vast majority think our best chance of staying up is by replacing him. We are almost at the point of no return, it really is stick or twist for the board.

Of course it's true

The players are with him and so is the club its just a few idiotic fans

With the squad we have we are probably about where I thought we would be

We need 4 or 5 key players in ASAP

 

[NewburyOne]

Of course it's true

The players are with him and so is the club its just a few idiotic fans

With the squad we have we are probably about where I thought we would be

We need 4 or 5 key players in ASAP

If you only think it's a few who want Appleton out, I suggest it is you being an idiot. As for giving up, there's a difference between giving up hope on a garbage manager, than giving up on the players.

We agree on needing 4 Championship ready players.

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

If you only think it's a few who want Appleton out, I suggest it is you being an idiot. As for giving up, there's a difference between giving up hope on a garbage manager, than giving up on the players.

We agree on needing 4 Championship ready players.

I don't care what other fans think I never have, most are clueless tbh

You can't judge a manager when he's having to play a patched up team with players out of position week in week out like he has this season

And if you think we still need 4 'ready' players how can you blame the manager?

 

[LA1 Seasider]

Of course it's true

The players are with him and so is the club its just a few idiotic fans

With the squad we have we are probably about where I thought we would be

We need 4 or 5 key players in ASAP

Hahaha

A few idiotic fans. Your delusion knows no bounds.

And there’s absolutely nothing to suggest the players are with him or without him.

Working hard and putting a shift in is the absolute bare minimum a professional footballer should do. They’re playing for their own career, their teammates and hopefully too the fans.

What I would point out is these same players regularly spoke about their love for Critchley and how much they enjoyed working for him and about the positivity in the camp. There’s been none of that with Appleton in charge.

 

[Macseasider]

Even if SS backs him, he at what point would he have to go because I listen to some and they are so entrenched to the Appleton in stance that yhey would keep him even with relegation.
Others want him gone now.
My own view is if rather take the opportunity to change now than change when it really is too late.
We might now need 8 or 9 winns and to achieve that MA would have to be tactically should which he's not and have the crowd 100% engaged which it isn't.
The players looked as those as hard as they try they have no structure to their play,

Reading some of the posts on here maybe when we are lower half of League 2.

 

[JJpool]

Beesley obviously isn't the answer to our wide problems neither is CJ

We sold our best winger and the other 2 are injured

CJ isn't always brilliant. But I think he's shown a few times he can cause issues and provide.

Quite a few of our better moments this season have involved him. Nobbers win, Watford win, Coventry win with assists or a goal.

He scares defenders shitless when he's given a decent ball in to run at someone and cross. Ask him to be skillful and he cruyff turns thin air like the other night.

But is he better than Beesley in that position, all day for me.

It's not like anyone else doesn't make mistakes at times or is looking dangerous on that side.

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

Hahaha

A few idiotic fans. Your delusion knows no bounds.

And there’s absolutely nothing to suggest the players are with him or without him.

Working hard and putting a shift in is the absolute bare minimum a professional footballer should do. They’re playing for their own career, their teammates and hopefully too the fans.

What I would point out is these same players regularly spoke about their love for Critchley and how much they enjoyed working for him and about the positivity in the camp. There’s been none of that with Appleton in charge.

"Love for Critchley"

That's just you

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

To answer the O/ P … The manager has to go, when the board decide to release him of his duties.

So whilst a determined group of whingers can possibly make life extremely uncomfortable for the manager, contribute towards declining performances and even create sufficient pressure to speed up the process, fortunately they can’t make the final decision.

A better question to ask might be…

Has NAPM and the Boycott given some fans the impression that they have a right to behave like smacked arses every time they don’t get their own way ?

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

To answer the O/ P … The manager has to go, when the board decide to release him of his duties.

So whilst a determined group of whingers can possibly make life extremely uncomfortable for the manager, contribute towards declining performances and even create sufficient pressure to speed up the process, fortunately they can’t make the final decision.

A better question to ask might be…

Has NAPM and the Boycott given some fans the impression that they have a right to behave like smacked arses every time they don’t get their own way ?

The answer is Yes

It's fcuking pathetic and completely irrational to not be able to see a bigger picture due to a hatred of a man who used to play for Preston

 

[LA1 Seasider]

"Love for Critchley"

Ffs that's just you

I did love Critchley as our manager. It worked really well.

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

I did love Critchley as our manager. It worked really well.

You loved him

 

[LA1 Seasider]

You loved him

Freak ........

You’re a weird guy aren’t you.

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

You’re a weird guy aren’t you.

Err not really

 

[LA1 Seasider]

Err not really

It’s freakish to like the most successful manager at Blackpool in a decade and we’re idiots for wanting an unsuccessful manager gone. You’re bonkers

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

It’s freakish to like the most successful manager at Blackpool in a decade and we’re idiots for wanting an unsuccessful manager gone. You’re bonkers

Where have I said I like him?

Again stop making things up ffs......

Giving someone a chance and liking are two different things, they simply aren't connected at all yet you call me bonkers

Have a rest kid

 

[NewburyOne]

I don't care what other fans think I never have, most are clueless tbh

You can't judge a manager when he's having to play a patched up team with players out of position week in week out like he has this season

And if you think we still need 4 'ready' players how can you blame the manager?

All managers will say they want a couple of extra players and no team dodges a season without having injuries. The fact remains he inherited a tight squad that finished mid table. I wouldn't trust Appleton with my weekly shop, let alone the 2 or 3 million we will need to invest in January to have a hope. As for judging managers, you're a hypocrite because is that not exactly what you did with Critchley?

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

All managers will say they want a couple of extra players and no team dodges a season without having injuries. The fact remains he inherited a tight squad that finished mid table. I wouldn't trust Appleton with my weekly shop, let alone the 2 or 3 million we will need to invest in January to have a hope. As for judging managers, you're a hypocrite because is that not exactly what you did with Critchley?

He didn't though

He got a squad that was losing its best player with gaps all over the place

As for Critchley true I didn't want him as I wanted someone more experienced and I could see through the Project shite. I was proven right as he left as soon as he could

So no not a hypocrite at all as Critchley had the backing he wanted from the board in his first 3 transfer windows

Appleton has had no backing as the desperate signings of Ward and Bridcutt have proved alongside a raft of young loan players

 

[Jakeyr]

The relationship between the Manager and Fans is broken and there was probably 1500 season ticket holders or paying customers who didn't turn up last night.

 

[LA1 Seasider]

He didn't though

He got a squad that was losing its best player with gaps all over the place

As for Critchley true I didn't want him as I wanted someone more experienced and I could see through the Project shite. I was proven right as he left as soon as he could

So no not a hypocrite at all as Critchley had the backing he wanted from the board in his first 3 transfer windows

Appleton has had no backing as the desperate signings of Ward and Bridcutt have proved alongside a raft of young loan players

How could you see through the project shite.

Everything he did was successful. It’s not like he promised us premier league football. He over delivered. There’s nothing to see through you absolute goon.

 

[Davepick]

Even if SS backs him, he at what point would he have to go because I listen to some and they are so entrenched to the Appleton in stance that yhey would keep him even with relegation.
Others want him gone now.
My own view is if rather take the opportunity to change now than change when it really is too late.
We might now need 8 or 9 winns and to achieve that MA would have to be tactically should which he's not and have the crowd 100% engaged which it isn't.
The players looked as those as hard as they try they have no structure to their play,

in answer to the O/P, I would say, 'When he has not won a match in the last eight.'
Like NOW.

 

[Phil_bfc deux]

How could you see through the project shite.

Everything he did was successful. It’s not like he promised us premier league football. He over delivered. There’s nothing to see through you absolute goon.

Because its proved to be shite