Average attendances this season

Not bad when it's £30 a pop in a stuggling town like Blackpool.

Throw in a poor summer, losing our coach and a couple of frustrating transfer windows too.

Things are a little flat at the moment. I feel the club can do a lot more to entice casual fans to come to the games though.
 
Yeah I agree. Think pretty much the only mistake Sadler has made is the £30 ticket prices. Too much for the casual fan, I'm sure it is hitting attendances
 
I doubt we would attract to many more whatever we charged last season due to promotion and general feel good factor we had good crowds plus big away followings this season theres a bit of a downturn around the club so no big shock. A bit of a reality check for those pushing for a 20,000 plus stadium our stadium suits our needs.
 
I doubt we would attract to many more whatever we charged last season due to promotion and general feel good factor we had good crowds plus big away followings this season theres a bit of a downturn around the club so no big shock. A bit of a reality check for those pushing for a 20,000 plus stadium our stadium suits our needs.
No reality check at all. FFS we are at our lowest ebb at the moment, we lost our manager and brought in someone who most fans need convincing about. The recruitment has been an utter shambles and the football is turgid. Not to mention the ridiculous 30 quid a pop.

Make a judgement when and if we are at the other end of the table with an outside chance of the Prem. The Nobbers were pushing 10k home crowds last season before their enticing season ticket prices came this year. You don’t get them saying their grounds too big nor Luton pushing for a much bigger stadium.

It’s called ambition.
 
We should be offering home fans seats the the NE area for £20 especially with the crap facilities. Getting a thousand at 20 is better than 500 at 30.
Only problem with that you'd have to offer the same deal to away fans, that's what the club decided this season fleece those who travel which has backfired massively ending up putting off home fans.
 
Bournemouth with a capacity of 12000 promoted, Peterborough with a smaller capacity and crowds relegated and Barnsley with similar crowds also relegated. PNE are giving tickets out in a raffle and Hull and Birmingham are in a much different situation to what they were last season. Reading have surprisingly had a bit of a bounce under Ince.
There’s no surprise whatsoever we are where we are. Trying to blame it on ticket prices or even performances seems a bit daft. It’s just a simple case of that being our current level
 
Bournemouth with a capacity of 12000 promoted, Peterborough with a smaller capacity and crowds relegated and Barnsley with similar crowds also relegated. PNE are giving tickets out in a raffle and Hull and Birmingham are in a much different situation to what they were last season. Reading have surprisingly had a bit of a bounce under Ince.
There’s no surprise whatsoever we are where we are. Trying to blame it on ticket prices or even performances seems a bit daft. It’s just a simple case of that being our current level
Bournemouth in receipt of parachute payments able to keep most of their PL players some on 40-50k+ a week and a Russian close to a Billionaire owner is a bit of a bad example.
If you where to do a correct table you'd have to correlate attendances and how much an owner has ploughed in.
 
No reality check at all. FFS we are at our lowest ebb at the moment, we lost our manager and brought in someone who most fans need convincing about. The recruitment has been an utter shambles and the football is turgid. Not to mention the ridiculous 30 quid a pop.

Make a judgement when and if we are at the other end of the table with an outside chance of the Prem. The Nobbers were pushing 10k home crowds last season before their enticing season ticket prices came this year. You don’t get them saying their grounds too big nor Luton pushing for a much bigger stadium.

It’s called ambition.
Yeah things aren't optimal right now.

We have the double whammy of very high prices for the area in a cost of living crisis.

We've seen how much price affects other clubs, as you say the nobbers were similar last season but put out a really cheap deal and marketed it.

So we can't say conclusively well we only have x amount of fans, as if we had made a choice of manager that at the time inspired people, done cheap ST and reasonable match prices, we'd have way more attending too.

There's load of room for growth with some simple adjustments.
 
Bournemouth in receipt of parachute payments able to keep most of their PL players some on 40-50k+ a week and a Russian close to a Billionaire owner is a bit of a bad example.
If you where to do a correct table you'd have to correlate attendances and how much an owner has ploughed in.
I’m not saying attendances have anything to do with performance on the field or whether finances have anything to do with that either. I’m just pointing out our attendances are what they are regardless. Comparing with other teams is pointless as there’s a lot of other factors at play. I don’t think our average attendances or ranking in a table based on average attendances is note worthy. Our current attendances certainly don’t warrant any sort of correlation being drawn between them and our boards action / inaction
 
We finished last season with an average of 12,104, so we're down 476 so far. Considering we've only played 1/4 games with a decent away following, and the price increases, I think our attendances have held up well so far. I think with the teams still to visit, it wouldn't surprise me if we ended the season with a higher average than last season.

Of course, the away crowd is masking our own empty seats. But let's not forget also that PNE and Rovers can both offer far more away tickets than we can and that also masks their poor home crowds too. PNE have had a bounce due to cheap tickets but it really isn't a policy they're going to be able to sustain long term, not if they want to stop leaking £12m per year and invest in a competitive team at championship level.
 
We finished last season with an average of 12,104, so we're down 476 so far. Considering we've only played 1/4 games with a decent away following, and the price increases, I think our attendances have held up well so far. I think with the teams still to visit, it wouldn't surprise me if we ended the season with a higher average than last season.

Of course, the away crowd is masking our own empty seats. But let's not forget also that PNE and Rovers can both offer far more away tickets than we can and that also masks their poor home crowds too. PNE have had a bounce due to cheap tickets but it really isn't a policy they're going to be able to sustain long term, not if they want to stop leaking £12m per year and invest in a competitive team at championship level.
*Not to mention when PNE’s own fans are defrauding the club in order to utilise the free / massively cheaper kids ticket prices when adults are already bargain basement as it is. - this inflating the gate.
 
We should be offering home fans seats the the NE area for £20 especially with the crap facilities. Getting a thousand at 20 is better than 500 at 30.

The problem is that EFL rules mean that would be the price we had to charge the away fans, the only way around that is the membership scheme, and EFL rules dictate what that can and cannot be as well.
 
*Not to mention when PNE’s own fans are defrauding the club in order to utilise the free / massively cheaper kids ticket prices when adults are already bargain basement as it is. - this inflating the gate.
Good point, forgot about that. Clearly dirt cheap is still too much to watch them.
 
Cost of living crisis,football or putting food on the table and Clothes on your Kids backs....not to mention paying the ruddy energy bills this coming Winter.
 
I think it's time to stop judging our club by attendances alone. We've never had big attendances but luckily enough they are just enough to reach very lofty heights at times.

Even more luckily for us, aside from attendances, geographically we are in easy reach of players from a large number of big northern cities and that will always give us an advantage over the likes of Carlisle and Plymouth etc. who can easily match our gates.

We are who we are. A bounce team between the 2nd tier and 3rd tier who might have the odd amazing run of stars aligning to see the top tier or an ugly mess that takes us down to the 4th tier.
 
Can see us staying in bottom 5 for average gates,I agree £30 is too much as is facility to accommodate more away fans !!!
Still think it's more to do with Appleton and the football we're dishing up. Have seen every game so far this season and whilst there have been games which I have enjoyed because of how they have panned out, I've just not found his style of football enjoyable. Know quite a few who haven't yet been. No buzz around the place and feels like we're almost waiting for him to be potted.
 
I think it's time to stop judging our club by attendances alone. We've never had big attendances but luckily enough they are just enough to reach very lofty heights at times.

Even more luckily for us, aside from attendances, geographically we are in easy reach of players from a large number of big northern cities and that will always give us an advantage over the likes of Carlisle and Plymouth etc. who can easily match our gates.

We are who we are. A bounce team between the 2nd tier and 3rd tier who might have the odd amazing run of stars aligning to see the top tier or an ugly mess that takes us down to the 4th tier.

I get what you're saying and I accept that it's highly unlikely we're ever going to be a consistent and established Premier League club. However, I don't accept that we are who we are either. All those years being told by the Oystons that there was no need to build the south stand because there wasn't the need for it, and now we're having to restrict away ticket allocations because there isn't the room even after the south has been built. We now have a core of 10k home fans when we didn't reach that for thirty years or more prior to 2010. There is a limit to what we can achieve, yes, but I don't think we've even begun to realise this clubs potential yet. With a strong academy and a completed stadium, and a proper marketing drive for new fans, there's higher heights we can reach consistently than just trying to survive in this league.
It's this 'we are what we are' attitude that kept us at 4k crowds in half a stadium and held us in the lower leagues for three decades unnecessarily.
 
We've only played 4 home games, all during the school holidays, and we haven't had a home match at all in September. Had it been played the Boro game would have been the best attended perhaps as they'd sold loads of tickets. See what the average is come the world cup break, it'll be higher than it is now.
 
Bournemouth with a capacity of 12000 promoted, Peterborough with a smaller capacity and crowds relegated and Barnsley with similar crowds also relegated. PNE are giving tickets out in a raffle and Hull and Birmingham are in a much different situation to what they were last season. Reading have surprisingly had a bit of a bounce under Ince.
There’s no surprise whatsoever we are where we are. Trying to blame it on ticket prices or even performances seems a bit daft. It’s just a simple case of that being our current level
We've only played 4 home games, all during the school holidays, and we haven't had a home match at all in September. Had it been played the Boro game would have been the best attended perhaps as they'd sold loads of tickets. See what the average is come the world cup break, it'll be higher than it is now.
We would sell your ground out if you would give us a decent allocation.
 
No reality check at all. FFS we are at our lowest ebb at the moment, we lost our manager and brought in someone who most fans need convincing about. The recruitment has been an utter shambles and the football is turgid. Not to mention the ridiculous 30 quid a pop.

Make a judgement when and if we are at the other end of the table with an outside chance of the Prem. The Nobbers were pushing 10k home crowds last season before their enticing season ticket prices came this year. You don’t get them saying their grounds too big nor Luton pushing for a much bigger stadium.

It’s called ambition.
I don’t think any football club admits their ground is “too big for them.”

I think the issue people have, is we’re about to spend around £10million on an east stand, which we won’t fill as we don’t fill the 3 we’ve got now, while penny pinching around players who are drastically needed in a depleted squad.
 
I don’t think any football club admits their ground is “too big for them.”

I think the issue people have, is we’re about to spend around £10million on an east stand, which we won’t fill as we don’t fill the 3 we’ve got now, while penny pinching around players who are drastically needed in a depleted squad.
We don’t have any choice but to replace the East stand or else it will be forced to close. Closure would reduce useable capacity to around 11,500/12,000 - only 10,000 of which would be home fans which is too small even now.

We’ll likely be spending upwards of £20 million to replace the East with a larger stand (bringing capacity closer to/over 20,000 - thus future proofing the club should success come) which also brings in revenue to the club beyond approximately 48 hours of the year - which is what the current structure does.
 
I don’t think any football club admits their ground is “too big for them.”

I think the issue people have, is we’re about to spend around £10million on an east stand, which we won’t fill as we don’t fill the 3 we’ve got now, while penny pinching around players who are drastically needed in a depleted squad.
We filled the 3 sides even under the Oystons. we averaged 14k for 4 seasons and were only able to offer 2k to away fans. We gained promotion to the Prem and were well and truly under prepared having to throw up a temporary East stand. The aim always has to be the Premier League but even as a Championship side pushing for the play offs we could quite easily get the 14k again as long as fans are not priced out. 30 quid in the current climate is quite frankly ridiculous. A stadium holding 20k would allow us to give away fans 4 to 5k on a par with the Nobbers.
 
We filled the 3 sides even under the Oystons. we averaged 14k for 4 seasons and were only able to offer 2k to away fans. We gained promotion to the Prem and were well and truly under prepared having to throw up a temporary East stand. The aim always has to be the Premier League but even as a Championship side pushing for the play offs we could quite easily get the 14k again as long as fans are not priced out. 30 quid in the current climate is quite frankly ridiculous. A stadium holding 20k would allow us to give away fans 4 to 5k on a par with the Nobbers.
The club aren’t going to budge on that price, though? So forget the East and invest in the team.

With more success on the pitch will come more fans, regardless of it being £30 a ticket.
 
The club aren’t going to budge on that price, though? So forget the East and invest in the team.

With more success on the pitch will come more fans, regardless of it being £30 a ticket.
The money for the East is borrowed and will go down as debt on the books so you want us to go that route with players fees and salaries with absolutely no guarantees it's going to work out?
 
The club aren’t going to budge on that price, though? So forget the East and invest in the team.

With more success on the pitch will come more fans, regardless of it being £30 a ticket.
I think you'll find Simon Sadler is more about the infrastructure of the club. That seems to be his priority and maybe it's the best for the long term future of the club. He keeps pointing out that he's only the custodian of the club and I'm sure he'd love to leave a legacy of a new East Stand and Training ground for possibly a wealthier owner to build on and invest in new higher calibre players.

Of course a winning team will always bring in more fans whatever the price but with the football on offer at present 30 quid is far too steep. I'd love to see the money being invested on the playing side but thats more a short term win or bust policy and I don't really think that's Sadler's strategy.
 
The money for the East is borrowed and will go down as debt on the books so you want us to go that route with players fees and salaries with absolutely no guarantees it's going to work out?
I thought we were “sustaining” the club under SS? If we can’t afford a stadium redevelopment, don’t do it. We don’t need a new east stand. We can’t sell our 3 stands we have now, until Preston come to town. Which is ironic, that everyone moans about £30 ticket prices but buys one for Preston. 🤔

If redeveloping the East stand means we’re going to get a load of day tripper supporters, who aren’t bothered about the team then for me it can go back to the old Gene Kelly.
 
I think you'll find Simon Sadler is more about the infrastructure of the club. That seems to be his priority and maybe it's the best for the long term future of the club. He keeps pointing out that he's only the custodian of the club and I'm sure he'd love to leave a legacy of a new East Stand and Training ground for possibly a wealthier owner to build on and invest in new higher calibre players.

Of course a winning team will always bring in more fans whatever the price but with the football on offer at present 30 quid is far too steep. I'd love to see the money being invested on the playing side but thats more a short term win or bust policy and I don't really think that's Sadler's strategy.
£30 is too steep, yet, I bet we sell out for Preston.

“Big game” supporters knock me sick.
 
I thought we were “sustaining” the club under SS? If we can’t afford a stadium redevelopment, don’t do it. We don’t need a new east stand. We can’t sell our 3 stands we have now, until Preston come to town. Which is ironic, that everyone moans about £30 ticket prices but buys one for Preston. 🤔

If redeveloping the East stand means we’re going to get a load of day tripper supporters, who aren’t bothered about the team then for me it can go back to the old Gene Kelly.
Where you putting the away fans then if we don't need the East and how is the club expected to grow if we don't have enough seats to be sold?

Like the training ground these developments 100% need doing for our long term future, spunking a load of money on player's because of our low attendances isn't 'sustsaining' the club it becomes bad debt.
Next season if the policy worked your in the same boat again more money needed for salaries and still an East soon to close and third rate training facilities which are an embarrassment when you look what Cods and Fylde have.
 
I thought we were “sustaining” the club under SS? If we can’t afford a stadium redevelopment, don’t do it. We don’t need a new east stand. We can’t sell our 3 stands we have now, until Preston come to town. Which is ironic, that everyone moans about £30 ticket prices but buys one for Preston. 🤔

If redeveloping the East stand means we’re going to get a load of day tripper supporters, who aren’t bothered about the team then for me it can go back to the old Gene Kelly.
We HAVE to development the East. It’s NOT optional. The safety certificate will not be renewed and without that the stand will be closed for good. Without the East capacity doesn’t satisfy current demand. It’s pretty simple.
 
I thought we were “sustaining” the club under SS? If we can’t afford a stadium redevelopment, don’t do it. We don’t need a new east stand. We can’t sell our 3 stands we have now, until Preston come to town. Which is ironic, that everyone moans about £30 ticket prices but buys one for Preston. 🤔

If redeveloping the East stand means we’re going to get a load of day tripper supporters, who aren’t bothered about the team then for me it can go back to the old Gene Kelly.
This is where ambition comes in and also not judging our current situation right now as the maximum.

BTW we do sell out for the big games like nobbers, we will eventually progress in cups and draw big sides etc.

Think about it, we are currently under a cost of living crisis, but not forever. Last season was covid affected still.

We haven't even begun to market and sell the club, offer deals, cheap prices etc.

We've had many years of boycott and losing fans, before that decades of shit and no ambition.

Last season we had nearly 12k home fans for the nobbers game at high prices and had to stop selling.

The game wasn't on sale that long, not compared to what the nobbers do anyway.

There's tons of potential for growth, its about building for the future.

Plus it has to be replaced anyway.

But if we sell the 3 sides, which is 10.5k, hospitality holds about 750 I think.

We could have some pool fans in the east and away fans get 3k+ maybe.

Certainly for big games should we want to you can then give some away fans more and have 14-15k for pool fans, or however you want to split it.

Obviously it won't always be filled up, it's about being able to capitalise on the big occasions.

Even with the nearly 12k pool fans we had vs pne last time, you could give away fans 4-5k and be beyond our current capacity limit when segregation is accounted for.

Thats without any future growth, deals etc.

This stand is being built and the club is looking years into the future too.

Even now in a cost of living, we'd be only a cheap price and a good run away from far bigger crowds.
 
Where you putting the away fans then if we don't need the East and how is the club expected to grow if we don't have enough seats to be sold?

Like the training ground these developments 100% need doing for our long term future, spunking a load of money on player's because of our low attendances isn't 'sustsaining' the club it becomes bad debt.
Next season if the policy worked your in the same boat again more money needed for salaries and still an East soon to close and third rate training facilities which are an embarrassment when you look what Cods and Fylde have.
Who said we’re spunking money on players to get fans in?

We need players because the ones we have now are all injured.

And it’s blatantly obvious, that success on the pitch brings bigger crowds.
 
Who said we’re spunking money on players to get fans in?

We need players because the ones we have now are all injured.

And it’s blatantly obvious, that success on the pitch brings bigger crowds.
Prioritising investment in the squad over the stadium is foolhardy. If we were successful on the pitch this season we’d have demand for tickets which would outstrip supply. We’d then not be able to actually capitalise on the success for the medium and long term and would still find ourselves having to demolish and replace the East stand regardless - only doing it at that point would mean locking out thousands of home and away fans in the meantime.
Invest in the ground first and then we’re able to capitalise on any success, can build additional revenue in the meantime and don’t have to worry about locking out fans. It’s just the sensible way to do things.
 
Who said we’re spunking money on players to get fans in?
We'll I never mentioned that, you want development projects stopped to be spunked on player's.
We need players because the ones we have now are all injured.
Too late transfer window is closed and won't those players come back at some point season shuts down for a month in November.
And it’s blatantly obvious, that success on the pitch brings bigger crowds.
But you want to close the East and not redevelop it that makes no sense.
 
In fairness we've only had 4 home games (PNE have had 6) and bar Blackburn none have seen great away followings. Confidentally expect that to rise in the next few months.
 
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