BAN v ENG 1st ODI

NewburyOne

NewburyOne

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England chasing 210, Roy already gone.

I do wonder if his time in England colours is over, horrific form barring 1 decent score in South Africa.
 
Raging_Bull said:
It's embarrassing mate, he fails time after time and they still keep giving him a start.
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The English pundits won't hear of any criticism regarding Roy. It's really out of order. Half the time Roy looks like he doesn't want to be there tey they STILL select him. Basically we bat with 10 men because they won't drop him and there is a dozen young openers that could replace him.

Anyway Salt gone now too. Bit unlucky. Off his pad back onto the stumps.
 
Roy (ODI &T20) and Crawley (Test) are currently stealing a living.

Both completely different situations i.e. current stage in career etc. But both are in SHITE form.

Do we want Crawley opening against Starc and Cummins in the summer? Big fat no from me.

Do we want Roy opening the batting in India in the Autmn at the WC? no again.

Mental
 
Micky's Magic Beans said:
Roy (ODI &T20) and Crawley (Test) are currently stealing a living.

Both completely different situations i.e. current stage in career etc. But both are in SHITE form.

Do we want Crawley opening against Starc and Cummins in the summer? Big fat no from me.

Do we want Roy opening the batting in India in the Autmn at the WC? no again.

Mental
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If Roy didn't play for Surrey he'd have been fired off ages ago. He's pretty much admitted to mental fatigue. Fair enough he represented England well in the past but there are so many players more deserving of that place, it's becoming a joke.

As for Crawley, I just don't get it. He's a poor batsman and a complete liability in the field.
 
Both posts from Newbury and MMB are spot on, imagine Crawley facing the new ball attack of Starc and Cummins? He wouldn't make it past the first two overs, get Jonny Bairstow back and let Zak have some time in County Cricket to try to mend his game.

As mentioned Roy has been simply dreadful for some time now, and his early dismissals puts a lot of pressure on the rest of the line up because they have to be cagey and not give away their wicket instead of playing freely after the openers have given us a good base.
 
NewburyOne said:
If Roy didn't play for Surrey he'd have been fired off ages ago. He's pretty much admitted to mental fatigue. Fair enough he represented England well in the past but there are so many players more deserving of that place, it's becoming a joke.

As for Crawley, I just don't get it. He's a poor batsman and a complete liability in the field.
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Roy had a purple patch about 4/5 years ago and the coaches are still clinging onto that. Its mental. No other team sport would place such unwavering faith in such an out of form player.

Crawley is much younger. I have a mate who's son went to school with him and it sounded like he was an England 'Project Player' since he was 12 which explains the 9 + lives he seems to have. If he underperforms again in the Ashes, the biggest stage, Baz and Stokes are surely going to have to drop him.
 
Micky's Magic Beans said:
Roy had a purple patch about 4/5 years ago and the coaches are still clinging onto that. Its mental. No other team sport would place such unwavering faith in such an out of form player.

Crawley is much younger. I have a mate who's son went to school with him and it sounded like he was an England 'Project Player' since he was 12 which explains the 9 + lives he seems to have. If he underperforms again in the Ashes, the biggest stage, Baz and Stokes are surely going to have to drop him.
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You would like to think so, seeing him fail with the bat and regularly drop routine catches has been doing my head in for the last couple of years. I get that the new BazBall style means some failures are inevitable but scoring well once in every 10 tests is just not good enough, I'd wager Livingstone or Hales would fare much better.
 
NewburyOne said:
You would like to think so, seeing him fail with the bat and regularly drop routine catches has been doing my head in for the last couple of years. I get that the new BazBall style means some failures are inevitable but scoring well once in every 10 tests is just not good enough, I'd wager Livingstone or Hales would fare much better.
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I'd love to see Hales back in the mix. His Do or Die attitude is exactly what "Bazball" is all about.
 
Micky's Magic Beans said:
Roy had a purple patch about 4/5 years ago and the coaches are still clinging onto that. Its mental. No other team sport would place such unwavering faith in such an out of form player.

Crawley is much younger. I have a mate who's son went to school with him and it sounded like he was an England 'Project Player' since he was 12 which explains the 9 + lives he seems to have. If he underperforms again in the Ashes, the biggest stage, Baz and Stokes are surely going to have to drop him.
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MMB, we can't wait until he fails in the Ashes, we need to evaluate his form during the early part of the summer and make the call then, for me JB walks in ahead of Zak as an opener, last summer JB was absolutely brilliant before his injury.

I've always rated Dawid Malan as more of a Test player than an ODI man, I'd be looking at picking between Bairstow, Duckett, Hales, Pope, Root, Malan, Brook, Stokes, Foakes, Vince, Livingstone and Ali as our Test batsmen, with the big key being current form, and that goes for the skipper too.
 
Raging_Bull said:
MMB, we can't wait until he fails in the Ashes, we need to evaluate his form during the early part of the summer and make the call then, for me JB walks in ahead of Zak as an opener, last summer JB was absolutely brilliant before his injury.

I've always rated Dawid Malan as more of a Test player than an ODI man, I'd be looking at picking between Bairstow, Duckett, Hales, Pope, Root, Malan, Brook, Stokes, Foakes, Vince, Livingstone and Ali as our Test batsmen, with the big key being current form, and that goes for the skipper too.
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Agree RB. JB is a given. I just hope he can recreate last summers form. Crawley left out completely for me
 
Crawley needs to, as they say, go back to his county to ‘regain his form’ .He’s young enough to do that for a season or two, then try test cricket again. If he keeps playing tests and failing his confidence will be completely shot.
 
I think you lot are being very unfair. When I saw the game was on this morning I wondered what the team would be like as we wouldn't have any of the Test team in it and when I looked the team was awesome even without the test players who would normally be playing in a 50 over match and those in the one day team who will be featuring in the Ashes series in the Summer.

I think we are in a fantastic place currently and we should be delighted.
 
hertfordseasider said:
I think we are in a fantastic place currently and we should be delighted.
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We are, but we also need to make sure that the right players are in both Test and ODI teams and those players are in form, right now the likes of Jason Roy and Zak Crawley should be nowhere near either team, both players poor form means we get off to a dreadful start and that puts huge pressure on numbers 3,4,5 as they come in and we're rocking at single figures for one, it's so much easier to bat when the openers have got you off to a flier and took the shine off the ball.
 
Raging_Bull said:
MMB, we can't wait until he fails in the Ashes, we need to evaluate his form during the early part of the summer and make the call then, for me JB walks in ahead of Zak as an opener, last summer JB was absolutely brilliant before his injury.

I've always rated Dawid Malan as more of a Test player than an ODI man, I'd be looking at picking between Bairstow, Duckett, Hales, Pope, Root, Malan, Brook, Stokes, Foakes, Vince, Livingstone and Ali as our Test batsmen, with the big key being current form, and that goes for the skipper too.
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I could never understand why, in test cricket, form is rarely a consideration when picking a test team early on in the season.
Someone could be absolutely flying but overlooked because so and so was in the team last year, even though they haven't scored double figures......
 
Ginge said:
I could never understand why, in test cricket, form is rarely a consideration when picking a test team early on in the season.
Someone could be absolutely flying but overlooked because so and so was in the team last year, even though they haven't scored double figures......
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In sport Ginge, form comes before reputation every single time pal.
 
Seriously what is James Vince trying to achieve?

He comes in and pokes around for 16 deliveries never once looking to score a boundary and then falls cheaply whilst he's poking around, I wouldn't mind if he got out trying to hit a four, absolute garbage.

Nice to see Jason Roy get some runs after the hammering he took off all of us the other day.
 
Ginge said:
Roy.......form is temporary 😁
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Ginge, sometime form is age related, in other words the older you get, the less form you have, my take on Roy Is he’s fine once he gets a start but he’s so vulnerable early on in his innings.
 
Just seen this thread and therefore now watching this game, I really need to be more aware of what’s going on in the world, not that easy where I live 🤷‍♂️
 
Ginge said:
Roy.......form is temporary 😁
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Agreed and I've always liked Roy but given the strength in depth we have at the top of the order I think it's time for him to step down.

With Hales now back playing and a whole host of young talent we need to freshen up the top order.
 
Raging_Bull said:
Ginge, sometime form is age related, in other words the older you get, the less form you have, my take on Roy Is he’s fine once he gets a start but he’s so vulnerable early on in his innings.
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I agree but also in the games shorter forms there is a certain amount of Russian roulette as well due to the pressure to score quickly.....T20 is almost a lottery in reality.
 
Leither said:
Agreed and I've always liked Roy but given the strength in depth we have at the top of the order I think it's time for him to step down.

With Hales now back playing and a whole host of young talent we need to freshen up the top order.
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How does Hales, Bairstow, Malan, Brook, Buttler, Livingstone, Moeen, Curran, Rashid, Archer and Wood sound as a line up?

Ben Stokes to replace Livvy depending how spin friendly the track is.
 
Raging_Bull said:
How does Hales, Bairstow, Malan, Brook, Buttler, Livingstone, Moeen, Curran, Rashid, Archer and Wood sound as a line up?

Ben Stokes to replace Livvy depending how spin friendly the track is.
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Blimey . . .nobody is beating that line up. Personally I'd get Livi higher up the order but England seem to like him lower down.

He's an opener in my eyes . . Hales & Livi to open - now that's carnage!!!

Throw in Smeed, Banton, Jacks and others and we have a very strong line up 👍
 
Leither said:
Blimey . . .nobody is beating that line up. Personally I'd get Livi higher up the order but England seem to like him lower down.

He's an opener in my eyes . . Hales & Livi to open - now that's carnage!!!

Throw in Smeed, Banton, Jacks and others and we have a very strong line up 👍
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Livvy could open buts its hard to oppose JB based on last summer's form, the other factor to look at are the conditions, you have to pick players who are good v spin for the World Cup with it being in India, watching James Vince this morning he looked bemused against the spinners before tamely edging to the keeper, if you can't play spin it's pointless taking them to the World Cup because the spinners there will have you on toast.

The options you mentioned are interesting because Smeed, Banton and Jacks are white ball specialists who play in the PSL and IPL so you have to look at their form, I'd also add Joe Root as a possibility with his ability to play spin and rotate the strike.

It goes to show how much talent we have in the white ball game and why we are World Champions in both formats right now.
 
Raging_Bull said:
Livvy could open buts its hard to oppose JB based on last summer's form, the other factor to look at are the conditions, you have to pick players who are good v spin for the World Cup with it being in India, watching James Vince this morning he looked bemused against the spinners before tamely edging to the keeper, if you can't play spin it's pointless taking them to the World Cup because the spinners there will have you on toast.

The options you mentioned are interesting because Smeed, Banton and Jacks are white ball specialists who play in the PSL and IPL so you have to look at their form, I'd also add Joe Root as a possibility with his ability to play spin and rotate the strike.

It goes to show how much talent we have in the white ball game and why we are World Champions in both formats right now.
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The pitches in India aren't anything like what they used to be. The IPL has removed that. Big score flat batting tracks out there now for the IPL plus the fact India's pace attack is their main threat these days.
 
So a 2-1 series win for England over Bangladesh which is an excellent result, their home record is very good and it highlights the importance of selection for the upcoming ODI WC in India, you need good spinners and you need batsmen that can play spin well otherwise you're not going to do anything in this competition.
 
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