dodgy_surname
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Blackpool tree planting
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tangerine_neil
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It’s not a nice little mini woodland, it’s a impenetrable mess of prickly shrubs and trees planted too close. The few remaining open spaces in town are quickly diminishing due to excessive housing projects. Now we are losing areas to over planting as well.
aquaduck
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'Tiny forests' - in other words a small densely packed area of trees are thought to be the most effective way of planting to absorb carbon - though not necessarily the easiest on the eye. Just to clear up about the trees planted in the town centre - the money spent was largely on constructing root chambers under the pavement rather than the trees. The money was provided to the council specifically for greening the town centre and was not transferable to other budget pots. I think if it were possible to have trees on the prom it would have been done by now. It probably is possible that they would survive but never really 'live'. There are some white poplar which were planted in the dunes at St Annes which while not thriving are doing ok. Maybe they could be used more widely? Blackpool is a tough place for trees but its great to see efforts being made. My feeling is that farmers and landowners outside towns and cities are going to be the big players in terms of planting/re-wilding to combat climate change.
JJpool
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One area of this i kind of agree with @tangerine_neil is its mentioned about planting 10k trees.
Now how many were planted here at the field in question.
If only 10k available the to go mad at 1 location at the detriment to others would be wrong, but I have shown othe places being done also, so we'll have to see.
If its just a numbers game for eg so when the next tree canopy number comes out and says Blackpool has doubled now and has x amount. Yes but only in a few places, its better to spread them out and it feel like there's way more as they are everywhere.
I've spotted many verges etc that can still be done, not sure if they have yet as Google maps is old images.
For eg further round Deerhurst on the grass, Warren drive, clifton Road in mereside, cherry tree Road added to etc etc.
As long as all these are done and they said now a development of houses has to put in trees and if not it has to pay the amount and that amount will be used to fund the more tricky planting, where some groundwork is required.
So I have seen some decent progress by roads, but lets hope they haven't wasted too many in one or two locations.
Now how many were planted here at the field in question.
If only 10k available the to go mad at 1 location at the detriment to others would be wrong, but I have shown othe places being done also, so we'll have to see.
If its just a numbers game for eg so when the next tree canopy number comes out and says Blackpool has doubled now and has x amount. Yes but only in a few places, its better to spread them out and it feel like there's way more as they are everywhere.
I've spotted many verges etc that can still be done, not sure if they have yet as Google maps is old images.
For eg further round Deerhurst on the grass, Warren drive, clifton Road in mereside, cherry tree Road added to etc etc.
As long as all these are done and they said now a development of houses has to put in trees and if not it has to pay the amount and that amount will be used to fund the more tricky planting, where some groundwork is required.
So I have seen some decent progress by roads, but lets hope they haven't wasted too many in one or two locations.
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Seasider1953
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Wasn’t the 10 trees at a cost of £10,000 each planted in Cookson Street ? They may have planted some more on Topping St but I wasn’t aware.
Still £100,000 was a total waste of tax payers money by this Council, when they have such an appalling record for looking after our children in care!
JJpool
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Few more example of some done fairly recently or a little bit ago, so they are doing lots of roads.
Still loads of places to do, clifton drive , st annes Road where it meets Arnold avenue, park Road corners further up Bloomfield, Knowsley avenue, along Lawsons field edge and Road, dunes ave, Albany Ave , further down Highfield Road , vicarage lane etc etc, still tons of quick win roads with verges where they can just be put straight in.
Still loads of places to do, clifton drive , st annes Road where it meets Arnold avenue, park Road corners further up Bloomfield, Knowsley avenue, along Lawsons field edge and Road, dunes ave, Albany Ave , further down Highfield Road , vicarage lane etc etc, still tons of quick win roads with verges where they can just be put straight in.
JJpool
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Come on thats a bit ott, theres been loads done and not seen anyone breaking or running off with a tree
As with some more mature trees planted they were perfectly fine and grew into bigger ones, weren't snatched or destroyed.
Seasider1
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Yes 53 you are correct it was Cookson st. And you are also correct about the councils appalling record.
JJpool
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@tangerine_neil any updates on your forest area?
Haven't had chance to see if any more have been planted in verges etc.
Although says there have been some as it says...
"The most recent planting has seen 80 more mature trees put in place around the town alongside saplings, with community groups, schools and developers brought on board.
These include Christmas trees, street trees, trees in parks, memorial trees and community orchard trees planted in collaboration with schools, construction companies, social enterprises and Trees in Cities. Funding has been provided by the Parks Development Service, ward councillors and commuted sums from new developments.
A further 500 saplings have been planted at Mereside Park and an additional 1,000 saplings have been sourced from the Woodland Trust."
Not sure where they've planted the mature ones, but as said a while ago there are still many quick win areas when you could rather quickly plant mature trees and change the appearance of an area and improve wildlife.
Haven't had chance to see if any more have been planted in verges etc.
Although says there have been some as it says...
"The most recent planting has seen 80 more mature trees put in place around the town alongside saplings, with community groups, schools and developers brought on board.
These include Christmas trees, street trees, trees in parks, memorial trees and community orchard trees planted in collaboration with schools, construction companies, social enterprises and Trees in Cities. Funding has been provided by the Parks Development Service, ward councillors and commuted sums from new developments.
A further 500 saplings have been planted at Mereside Park and an additional 1,000 saplings have been sourced from the Woodland Trust."
Blackpool council plants another round of trees despite spate of vandalism
Last year it was revealed hundreds of saplings had been vandalised or dug up across the town
www.lancs.live
Blackpool's new tiny forest with 600 trees in the space of a tennis court
Pupils from Mereside Primary Academy helped plant the new mini forest
www.lancs.live
Not sure where they've planted the mature ones, but as said a while ago there are still many quick win areas when you could rather quickly plant mature trees and change the appearance of an area and improve wildlife.
tangerine_neil
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@tangerine_neil any updates on your forest area?
Haven't had chance to see if any more have been planted in verges etc.
Although says there have been some as it says...
"The most recent planting has seen 80 more mature trees put in place around the town alongside saplings, with community groups, schools and developers brought on board.
These include Christmas trees, street trees, trees in parks, memorial trees and community orchard trees planted in collaboration with schools, construction companies, social enterprises and Trees in Cities. Funding has been provided by the Parks Development Service, ward councillors and commuted sums from new developments.
A further 500 saplings have been planted at Mereside Park and an additional 1,000 saplings have been sourced from the Woodland Trust."
Blackpool council plants another round of trees despite spate of vandalism
Last year it was revealed hundreds of saplings had been vandalised or dug up across the townwww.lancs.live
Blackpool's new tiny forest with 600 trees in the space of a tennis court
Pupils from Mereside Primary Academy helped plant the new mini forestwww.lancs.live
Not sure where they've planted the mature ones, but as said a while ago there are still many quick win areas when you could rather quickly plant mature trees and change the appearance of an area and improve wildlife.
They are getting bigger and there’s less space to move. People exercising or walking dogs are funnelled down tiny paths (which they don’t cut any more, because that’s another result of the over planting). In winter it becomes a mud bath because everyone’s trampling down the same narrow stretch. The trees haven’t been managed. There’s branches hanging at head height.
Near Moor Park on the North Blackpool pond trail, the idiots have planted large trees directly under low hanging electricity pylons. That should be fun in a few years from now.
At Stannah, we’ve now lost the lovely view from the drumlin towards Beacon Fell and the Lakes. The previously wide, sunny drumlin is now half shaded and consequently damp all year round.
Noticed quite a few dead trees on the Bispham Gala field. The trees were planted and just left. No care, no feeding. Expect they didn’t like the prevailing westerly winds either.
Generally: there’s no thought or design gone into the planting. They seem to be plonked too close to each other and seem to forget they need space to grow into mature trees. I get the sense they have done it as a box ticking exercise.
If they plant them down road sides (which I would prefer), who is going to pick up the leaves which block the gutters and cause flooding? Not the council. They don’t manage the weeds growing everywhere on pavements or even bother to pick up the grass when they cut playing fields & verges, etc.
Southshoresteve
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On another note I went to Stanley Park last week and was shucked by the level of neglect in some areas.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Is it ‘over-planting’ though?
I you’re trying to establish a woodland from native species, then generally you’d initially always plant more saplings than you want trees and then thin out over time.
tangerine_neil
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That’s giving them too much credit. Yes, it’s over-planting. Stannah is the best example, because they did that area first. Must have been around 10 years ago. They’ve not returned to thin anything. It’s just an impenetrable mess where the open views used to be on either side.
Not sure how I missed this thread last time.
BFC x 3 is correct. It's commonplace to plan more saplings than needed because so many won't develop. There is usually an intent to thin out when trees are mature.
I was involved in the design and bid stage of the North Blackpool Pond Trail project. Amongst many other things, it did plant 4000 saplings on Moor Park and the intent was to create a wild area with them which is how it is today. There are a few thin paths through them to encourage way lines and avoid disturbance. The memorial arboretum was added to the design afterwards and is integrated pretty well.
The design was to link up and create a wildlife corridor from the train line through to Kincraig Lake and beyond. The habitat was to be mixed - trees, grassland and ponds. Interestingly, one place we avoided planting trees was under the pylons because of the long term risk. I was down there a few weeks ago and saw that trees have been planted there since the project completed, so had the same concern as Neil. I did wonder if the trees have a limited height; if not, there will be some maintenance to do in the future. The design was to leave sections of the grassland uncut (or cut once a year) to help develop wildflowers and biodiversity. This is an increasingly used approach across the country. Great for wildlife and saves cutting costs too. What shouldn't happen is that it is left and cut too soon....see recent news report
@tangerine_neil - there is a volunteer group which does maintenance on the NBPT. If you're interested in helping contribute, there is a facebook page which should have contact details.
BFC x 3 is correct. It's commonplace to plan more saplings than needed because so many won't develop. There is usually an intent to thin out when trees are mature.
I was involved in the design and bid stage of the North Blackpool Pond Trail project. Amongst many other things, it did plant 4000 saplings on Moor Park and the intent was to create a wild area with them which is how it is today. There are a few thin paths through them to encourage way lines and avoid disturbance. The memorial arboretum was added to the design afterwards and is integrated pretty well.
The design was to link up and create a wildlife corridor from the train line through to Kincraig Lake and beyond. The habitat was to be mixed - trees, grassland and ponds. Interestingly, one place we avoided planting trees was under the pylons because of the long term risk. I was down there a few weeks ago and saw that trees have been planted there since the project completed, so had the same concern as Neil. I did wonder if the trees have a limited height; if not, there will be some maintenance to do in the future. The design was to leave sections of the grassland uncut (or cut once a year) to help develop wildflowers and biodiversity. This is an increasingly used approach across the country. Great for wildlife and saves cutting costs too. What shouldn't happen is that it is left and cut too soon....see recent news report
Chris Packham in row with council over removal of wildflowers
The TV presenter criticises a council after an area of wildflowers is cut down in Derbyshire.
www.bbc.co.uk
@tangerine_neil - there is a volunteer group which does maintenance on the NBPT. If you're interested in helping contribute, there is a facebook page which should have contact details.
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rockontommy
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That's a nice walk so a job well done.Not sure how I missed this thread last time.
BFC x 3 is correct. It's commonplace to plan more saplings than needed because so many won't develop. There is usually an intent to thin out when trees are mature.
I was involved in the design and bid stage of the North Blackpool Pond Trail project. Amongst many other things, it did plant 4000 saplings on Moor Park and the intent was to create a wild area with them which is how it is today. There are a few thin paths through them to encourage way lines and avoid disturbance. The memorial arboretum was added to the design afterwards and is integrated pretty well.
The design was to link up and create a wildlife corridor from the train line through to Kincraig Lake and beyond. The habitat was to be mixed - trees, grassland and ponds. Interestingly, one place we avoided planting trees was under the pylons because of the long term risk. I was down there a few weeks ago and saw that trees have been planted there since the project completed, so had the same concern as Neil. I did wonder if the trees have a limited height; if not, there will be some maintenance to do in the future. The design was to leave sections of the grassland uncut (or cut once a year) to help develop wildflowers and biodiversity. This is an increasingly used approach across the country. Great for wildlife and saves cutting costs too. What shouldn't happen is that it is left and cut too soon....see recent news report
Chris Packham in row with council over removal of wildflowers
The TV presenter criticises a council after an area of wildflowers is cut down in Derbyshire.www.bbc.co.uk
@tangerine_neil - there is a volunteer group which does maintenance on the NBPT. If you're interested in helping contribute, there is a facebook page which should have contact details.
Costero Poderoso
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We're overrun with eucalyptus trees here, some of them are well over 150 feet tall, in general its illegal to plant them in Spain now. I personally love the smell of them. The bark falls off perfectly as kindling for the fireplace.
JJpool
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Seems like with the article above thats their intention to create some mini forests and its only using cheaper saplings I think so not a big deal.
As long as there's still plenty of verges etc being done with more mature trees.
From the article.
"The forest, which is just the size of a tennis court, will provide a nature-rich habitat patch benefitting Blackpool’s urban wildlife. The team planted 600 trees in the small plot on Bowness Avenue to create a dense fast-growing native woodland. The planting method, developed in the 1970s by Dr Akira Miyawaki, encourages accelerated forest development and uses no chemicals or fertilisers."
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JJpool
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@Delfino do you know any any further progress with more mature trees planting?
Obviously I posted the update saying 80 more, but thats a tiny amount really.
Neil is right when he says what we want, as well as mini forests etc is tree lined roads.
They have said they will use open spaces, grass verges, people's gardens.
To change the image of the town most drastically and quickly, some quite main routes where possible can quite easily be transformed.
You only have to look on Google maps and can find many areas that would be suitable for a tree lined roads. Clifton drive for eg, Highfield Road nearer and past the Highfield etc etc where quick wins could be had.
For me thats what I'd be focusing on, I suppose you can still do the smaller saplings as well but not to the detriment of the rest.
After all the easier ones ita then a case of the harder ones where street modifications are needed, but are needed in order to transform some of the urban sprawl.
Obviously I posted the update saying 80 more, but thats a tiny amount really.
Neil is right when he says what we want, as well as mini forests etc is tree lined roads.
They have said they will use open spaces, grass verges, people's gardens.
To change the image of the town most drastically and quickly, some quite main routes where possible can quite easily be transformed.
You only have to look on Google maps and can find many areas that would be suitable for a tree lined roads. Clifton drive for eg, Highfield Road nearer and past the Highfield etc etc where quick wins could be had.
For me thats what I'd be focusing on, I suppose you can still do the smaller saplings as well but not to the detriment of the rest.
After all the easier ones ita then a case of the harder ones where street modifications are needed, but are needed in order to transform some of the urban sprawl.
Wizaard
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Direct salt spray. Very few trees will withstand that.
JJpool
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Think cordyline australis would, they are the palm trees lookalikes that are in front of the club and are tough, already a couple on the front in front of the eating Inn.
JJpool
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Few links I found for anyone interested.
www.blackpool.gov.uk
www.groundwork.org.uk
From top article...
“The council is working hard to improve housing and revitalise and restructure the town centre, seeking opportunities to create pocket parks, plant trees and green the town, making it a more pleasant and healthy place to live, work, visit and invest.
“Making the urban environment greener, helping to tackle climate change and protecting and enhancing the natural environment and resources is a vital part of delivering a better Blackpool.”
It adds while much of the new green infrastructure will be provided publicly, “it is important that new development also contributes to a greater provision.”
It means in future all new development will be required to retain existing trees and where removal is unavoidable, they must be replaced using native species.
Housing developments of more than three units must provide two trees per home on site, while other types of residential development such as care homes with at least three residents must provide one tree per resident.
If it is not possible to do this on site, developers must pay £1,000 per tree towards planting elsewhere. This could be pooled to pay for urban planting where it can cost up toe £15,000 for a single tree in a hard surfaced area.
The council is aiming to plant 10,000 trees in Blackpool by 2030."
New estates in Blackpool will need trees in bid to make resort greener
Planners have drawn up fresh rules governing how much open space and tree cover schemes need
www.lancs.live
Greening Blackpool
www.blackpool.gov.uk
Groundwork on target to plant over 10,000 trees in Blackpool - Groundwork
With the help of volunteers and partners, Groundwork is on target to plant over 10,000 trees in Blackpool in 2022.
www.groundwork.org.uk
From top article...
“The council is working hard to improve housing and revitalise and restructure the town centre, seeking opportunities to create pocket parks, plant trees and green the town, making it a more pleasant and healthy place to live, work, visit and invest.
“Making the urban environment greener, helping to tackle climate change and protecting and enhancing the natural environment and resources is a vital part of delivering a better Blackpool.”
It adds while much of the new green infrastructure will be provided publicly, “it is important that new development also contributes to a greater provision.”
It means in future all new development will be required to retain existing trees and where removal is unavoidable, they must be replaced using native species.
Housing developments of more than three units must provide two trees per home on site, while other types of residential development such as care homes with at least three residents must provide one tree per resident.
If it is not possible to do this on site, developers must pay £1,000 per tree towards planting elsewhere. This could be pooled to pay for urban planting where it can cost up toe £15,000 for a single tree in a hard surfaced area.
The council is aiming to plant 10,000 trees in Blackpool by 2030."
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todayistheday
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Modern false trees are the answer for the Prom.
JJpool
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Not sure if cost efficient though.
I don't know anything more than what's in the public domain. All the contacts I had at the Council have moved on or retired. I do know of someone who may know so I'll get in touch with them and post back.
JJpool
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Is this a group you know about?
Groundwork on target to plant over 10,000 trees in Blackpool - Groundwork
With the help of volunteers and partners, Groundwork is on target to plant over 10,000 trees in Blackpool in 2022.
www.groundwork.org.uk
I did know them. We appointed them as the lead delivery partner for the NBPT and worked with them for about 4 years on the project. They did a really good job and they are still involved in the volunteering group.Is this a group you know about?
Groundwork on target to plant over 10,000 trees in Blackpool - Groundwork
With the help of volunteers and partners, Groundwork is on target to plant over 10,000 trees in Blackpool in 2022.
I'll try a couple of old contacts too.