Blackpool's ULEZ coming soon

Bennys_was_a_mob

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If there is ANY truth in this story then Blackpool as a tourist resort is all but over.
The lunatics are going too far with this tax hike and it will deter visitors by the thousands

The illuminations will become a paid for event for the majority and it would just kill it off eventually.

The article states 40 local representatives the "Climate Assembly" want this scheme in by 2027.

Sign the petition against this stupidity, Blackpool as a holiday resort needs your signature.

Climate Assembly Stupidity
 
Total non-story, petition created by a Tory candidate in Talbot Ward, don't be fooled.
Good to hear but what worries me is the thoughts behind such a thing.

These ULEZ are being created throughout this idiotic country by the green zealots in charge, it is worrying that sooner or later driving a car or a van anywhere will cost you many more pounds than it does already.

They'll start with petrol and diesel but as soon as that cash cow has died it'll be onto the next form of transport some of the masses can afford.

I personally think they are trying to make personal transport too expensive for us mear mortals so it will become a privilege of the upper echelons of this country once more with us plebs reduced to failing under funded public transport or push bikes and electric scooters.
 
I personally think they are trying to make personal transport too expensive for us mear mortals so it will become a privilege of the upper echelons of this country once more with us plebs reduced to failing under funded public transport or push bikes and electric scooters.

That does seem to be the objective of some of the "green" campaigners, force everybody else into poverty, whilst at the same time thinking they're "special" and deserve privileges not available to the rest of us.

To be clear, it isn't the "old-money" elites or bankers etc pushing this.
 
Good to hear but what worries me is the thoughts behind such a thing.

These ULEZ are being created throughout this idiotic country by the green zealots in charge, it is worrying that sooner or later driving a car or a van anywhere will cost you many more pounds than it does already.

They'll start with petrol and diesel but as soon as that cash cow has died it'll be onto the next form of transport some of the masses can afford.

I personally think they are trying to make personal transport too expensive for us mear mortals so it will become a privilege of the upper echelons of this country once more with us plebs reduced to failing under funded public transport or push bikes and electric scooters.
I think this is quite an over exaggeration of what ULEZ is. I don’t blame you as there is a load of misinformation and confusion being spread around about it, and if you don’t live near London or another city that has a Clean Air Zone regime then you wouldn’t know about it.

ULEZ basically charges for anything that’s less than follows Euro 6 standards for diesel or Euro 4 standards for petrol. That basically means if you’ve bought a petrol car since roughly after 2004, it wouldn’t be charged under ULEZ. So nearly any petrol car in the last 20 years! Obviously most petrol cars on the roads now aren’t over 20 years old. So this isn’t simply a revenue raiser that’s a blanket road charge that hits everyone.

Diesel is harder, as with a Euro 6 standard it basically means roughly any vehicle from after 2016 wouldn’t be charged. So diesel vehicles are much more likely to get caught, but given their higher NOx emissions that’s the entire point if these schemes.

One if my criticisms is that if these schemes aren’t implemented properly they naturally impact the poorer parts of our society more. So some sort of assistance or scrappage scheme needs to be offered so people can get compliant cars.

You are actually right some form of road user charging is going to be coming. The UK government is going to have to look at it as we transition to zero emission vehicles as we will start losing tax income from fuel duty (worth around £30 billion a year).
 
Total non-story, petition created by a Tory candidate in Talbot Ward, don't be fooled.
Agreed. There are loads of Tories going around objecting to sensible traffic calming measures. And sensible anti pollution measures.

On the basis that “They” (who the feck are they?) are trying to lock “Us” (you don’t fecking live here anyway) into “ghettos”. Also known as a safe neighbourhoods without knobheads speeding through and spewing out poisonous fumes because they couldn’t get up in time, and are therefore late, for the pointless meeting they arranged in the first place.

I know that ULEZ isn’t about traffic calming. But the objections always come from the same people.

It’s easy really.

We don’t want to be suffocated in toxic fumes.

We also don’t want to be knocked down by speeding dickheads.
 
Agreed. There are loads of Tories going around objecting to sensible traffic calming measures. And sensible anti pollution measures.

On the basis that “They” (who the feck are they?) are trying to lock “Us” (you don’t fecking live here anyway) into “ghettos”. Also known as a safe neighbourhoods without knobheads speeding through and spewing out poisonous fumes because they couldn’t get up in time, and are therefore late, for the pointless meeting they arranged in the first place.

I know that ULEZ isn’t about traffic calming. But the objections always come from the same people.

It’s easy really.

We don’t want to be suffocated in toxic fumes.

We also don’t want to be knocked down by speeding dickheads.
It’s just a con to get revenue like every other half baked measure. None of this is about protecting people. As for fumes we live on the coast for gods sake and the wind blows everything away so we don’t get soaked in fumes like cities do.
 
We already have one in Bradford, which has put a number of taxi drivers out of business. Private cars are exempt presently, but it is odds on that they will soon be caught in the trap.
As a self confessed Green voter and concerned grandparent I'd imagine air quality is a major concern of yours.
 
These charges are becoming more widespread. As well as the London ULEZ, there's a number of Clean Air Zones (CAZ) that have cropped up around the country as follows:-
  • Bath
  • Birmingham
  • Bradford
  • Bristol
  • Greater Manchester (under review)
  • Portsmouth
  • Sheffield
  • Tyneside - Newcastle and Gateshead
As you can see from the list, these are cities which of course, by their very nature, are at much higher risk of having polluted air than would be the case in a coastal town.

There are some real benefits from the zones because we do have significant health impacts from breathing polluted air. Kids shouldn't be breathing in damaging particles when they play outside for example. There's also the obvious risk to the elderly and those with health issues such as asthma.

So I'm very much in favour of Councils and the Government taking initiatives to clean up our air. However, I'm not at all convinced that these zones are anything more than a money generating exercise. Our cities and towns are covered by myriad cameras on the look out for anyone breaking a rule. Councils are issuing charges and fines on an industrial scale, whether it be a parking transgression, going into a bus lane, entering a restricted area, and now in many cities, entering a CAZ.

It's so easy to make an innocent mistake and be hit with a fine. Each town and city has different rules and a multitude of signs. But that's the culture we now have. Big brother is monitoring your every movement.

The CAZ charging process is, in my opinion, setting people up to fail, resulting in the initial charge becoming a £60 fine. The way it works is that there's road signage as you enter/leave a CAZ. Your vehicle image is captured by a camera, and then you have up to a week to go online and pay. There's no notification issued to you, and no reminder. It's down to the driver to be aware they've gone into a CAZ, and then to go online and pay. If they don't, they will receive a letter informing them of the £60 charge.

When you go online, you need to make a determination as to whether your vehicle is subject to the charge or not. This isn't straight-forward, especially as the rules differ across all the different zones. (E.g. In the Bradford CAZ, taxis have to pay £7 a day but personal vehicles are exempt. By comparison, in Bristol, personal vehicles are charged £9 a day.)

I recently drove through the Bradford CAZ. I skirted the edge of it en route to somewhere else. I wasn't sure if I had to pay or not. The next day when I made the same journey in the return direction, the one-way system meant I went a slightly different route. A few days later when I went to pay, I wasn't sure if I had been through the CAZ on both days. I expected the online system to tell me if I was due to pay or not, but it didn't. So I was left guessing as to whether to pay or not - especially for the return journey where I couldn't recall seeing a CAZ sign.

I decided not to pay for the return leg of the journey, only to subsequently get the £60 fine, and the threat of it being escalated to £120, then £180, then bailiffs, if I didn't pay.

You may put this fine down to my stupidity, but when you're driving on unfamiliar busy roads, you're primarily concentrating on where you're going, and safety, as opposed to watching out for CAZ charge obligations.

Anyway, with regards to the charge, there's a way to contest it by submitting a Notice of Representation. This is an informal appeals process. There's no point going down this route if you're simply going to claim ignorance. That's no excuse. The onus is on you to know you have to pay. They've put up their signs and so they've done their bit. Therefore I chose a different tack. Remember I said taxis have to pay £7 and personal vehicles don't? Well I was on a personal visit albeit driving my taxi. So I objected to the charge on that basis. This was rejected by Bradford Council and due to my reticence to pay the fine they subsequently raised the charge to £120.

As a final throw of the dice I then submitted a formal Appeal. This goes to an independent Appeal body. I reemphasised that the basis for the Appeal was that the charge was unfair. I said I could appreciate business vehicles being charged, but said I was not operating in a business capacity and was merely on a personal trip. I said my taxi was my only vehicle and thus I was being penalised for not being wealthy enough to own a separate vehicle for personal use.

I finished my Appeal submission with long emotive diatribe about how I was not going to pay on principle and that they were welcome to send the bailiffs to come and pick at my scant personal belongings. A few days later I got an email off the Appeals service to say that Bradford Council had decided to drop their action and I had therefore won my Appeal. lol. I think they must have decided I was a little unhinged and it wasn't going to be worth the hassle. They were right. I am unhinged.

Anyways, with regard to the Bradford CAZ, it's forced some taxi drivers off the road. Many taxi drivers work 6 or 7 days a week. Many will only have the taxi and won't have use of a personal vehicle. So effectively since this charge was introduced they have to find £49 a week. That's a huge amount. In Bristol its £9 a day. It's unfair.

What these charges will do is to penalise the poorer road users who can't afford to upgrade to a more modern car. So they're a tax on the poorer members of society.

With regards to Blackpool, we are a coastal town with very good air quality. However in the article linked on the o/p, you'll read that a bunch of numpties declared a Blackpool climate emergency several years ago. This ULEZ was one of their recommendations to resolve the EMERGENCY. What a load of nonsense. We don't need it. It will discriminate against the poor. It will deter visitors. It won't do anything to help save us from some imaginary climate emergency.
 
As a self confessed Green voter and concerned grandparent I'd imagine air quality is a major concern of yours.
So long as they are used correctly, I personally think they can be a good thing. However, we have a council who tell us to do as we are told not as they do. They are presently building an incinerator towards Keighley, which, with the prevailing winds will spread its fumes and smoke towards Shipley and Baildon. They have just been prevented from building a new Crematorium in the main Public Park in Shipley, which was left to the residents of Shipley by Norman Ray on his death, and are instead building it on green belt land a mile of so away. They have given permission for a private Crem to be built on the lowest point in Bradford, inside the the zone, They do not crack down on regular (often nightly) fireworks being set off in numbers, obviously a racial problem, whilst they promote annual fireworks displays themselves on or around 5th Nov plus at Christmas. N.B. they had to install the zone by order of the present Govermentt.

So, what is supposed to be a protected zone, is only protected if they feel like it. Just to add insult to injury, the leader of the planning committee has just broken the planning rules for one of his constituents who has had two planning applications and an appeal turned down for a takeaway, thus creating a precedent. Due to lack of funding, a duelling of the main road from the M606 through to Shipley but nothing to connect it with the Bingley Bye Pass thus clogging up our area even more than it is currently is has had to be shelved. I can go on but it seems because Shipley votes Green, the Labour Council make us suffer

Edit to add, there were plans for a byepass for Shipley, the plans were drawn up , but the council have allowed housing to be built on the route, bye bye bye pass.
 
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