Brentford and Brighton
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basilrobbie3
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Brentford, maybe. I'm not sure what Brighton have done is anything many clubs could replicate. The amount of investment has been enormous.
Phil_bfc deux
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Not really
They actually started from a very low point without even a stadium
Yes the owner has invested millions but their model is based on a brilliant scouting network that works like a conveyor belt of talent
Paul Barber is a very good footballing man under the owner as well
There is a lot we can learn from clubs like Brighton
fcblackpool
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About to sell McAllister and another lad, beginning with a C for close to £100m.
Brentford last time I saw were £120m in debt.
zico_bamber
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And Fulham
voyeur
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There is, but they do have a level of funding far beyond our wildest dreams and that makes a humongous difference.
Seasider1887
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Brentford is certainly a success story. It makes me think if it wasn’t for KoKo we could have established ourselves. Good luck to both of them. It’s good for the genuine fans.
BigHandsOliverKahn
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Whilst the Premier League continues its policy of money imbalance, there will always be a glass ceiling that means each one of the smaller clubs will eventually get relegated as they are just treated as collateral damage so that the big few can keep their infinite, anti-competition, monopolised place.
Seainsea
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The conveyor belt of talent that Brighton have recruited and sold on for massive profits is incredible. Brentford, similarly and managed to hold on to a very good coach in Thomas Frank. However, you've got to bear in mind that both lie in very affluent parts of the country with huge catchment areas compared to Blackpool.
basilrobbie3
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They have got a new stadium and surrounding infrastructure since Bloom took them on. That almost certainly wouldn't have happened without him.
They even made a paper profit of around £24m in 21/22. But only after the owner lent them £70m. The club's debt debt currently stands at a shade under £400m. I'm not sure it can be sustained without the owner, and I don't think spending on that scale offers any "learning" to our owner, who is attempting to do precisely the same sort of thing, on a smaller scale. Work for which you consistently give him little or no credit.
dodgy_surname
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We have 3 piers and a tower they don’t
Our time will come
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Our time will come
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Phil_bfc deux
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Our owner is doing nothing like what Bloom has done
They have a clear strategy and vision from top down and when a manager leaves like Potter they have a seamless transition because they have a plan and a way of operating and playing
The complete opposite to us
Equally when their top player moves on example being Trossard they have ready made replacements
Again nothing like us
They also appointed Paul Barber about 10 years ago when they were in the Championship who has done a brilliant job as CEO
Again nothing like Ben Mansford who lasted 3 years and has left us about where he found us
Is this you just trying to get back into Sadlers good books after your recent dressing down?
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Seaseaseasider
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I literally said the same a few days ago and your critique was that it was a 'completely unrealistic comparison'. Now you are saying that we can learn from Brighton...just as I said? Make your mind up.
Phil_bfc deux
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We can learn from then is certain aspects absolutely
Good CEO who has been with them for over 10 years
Investment in scouting and data analytics
Clear footballing vision and strategy of how they play
Etc etc
basilrobbie3
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just pointing out your colossal double standards Phil. Plenty of credit and recognition for Brighton (which they deserve, in many respects). None at all for the improvements made by your own club owner, who has much less spending power than Bloom has.
The clubs are very different and need to be assessed on their individual merits. I've posted this before, but you have seemingly limitless ambition for the club - as long as someone else is paying. But when it comes to you, we have this annual summer pantomime "Is Phil going to renew?", with you simultaneously leading choirs shouting "Oh no he isn't!" and "Oh yes he is!"
You keep going on about the lack of a plan. You are one of quite a few people who just lately seem to be building up a bit of Dutch courage to call for SS to go. I'd like hear your plan, specifically :
- Do you want SS to go?
- If so, who do you want instead?
- If you haven't got a name, where will you find one?
- Either way, how are you going to close the funding deficit we face?
- How will you sustain the effort needed to do so?
- How will you identify and mitigate risk?
- How are you going to build the club's commercial potential?
- How will any of your answers to 4-7 above be different from what happens already?
We've all spent years reading your posts telling us all what the club does wrong. If you've got answers to these and other questions, I'm sure people would love to read them. It would make a pleasant change to see you post something constructive, as opposed to destructive.
Phil_bfc deux
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I haven't called for him to go, you really need to stop making things up
I'm certainly disappointed with this season and Sadlers role in it
The rest is just nonsense and if I buy a ST or not is completely irrelevant
As I've stated before it's not about me or if I buy one, (or 5 in my case) its more about the thousands of other fans who may be wavering due to a complete lack of leadership at the top with seemingly very little communication or clear plan
As for your questions there is absolutely no point in me answering any of them as you clearly have a different idea to me about how football clubs are run
You spent years championing a fans owned model and now spend more time waffling on national councils than supporting your club
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I agree with all of this, there is a lot to learn from both brighton and brentford. However, I would say that Dan Ashworth had a ton to do with Brightons success and Phil Giles with Brentford. Frankly its why Im more worried about the Downes appointment than the manager.
Matesrates
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There’s a lot of luvvly lefties there, they have a beach, stones instead of sand and they have a pier, but it burned down. Whatever they’re doing is working magnificently.
This is completely true as well, but I would also doubt that if this happened to either of these clubs they would be down for long. They have improved the standing of their club through good recruitment and staying ahead of the curve. Leicester will be favourites to come right back up, dont underestimate the value of parachute payments and a platform for players. Burnley only stayed up a few years, then Kompany (a huge name in world football) agrees to manage them and signs players who have great potential and pisses the championship first year back. Would you take being a Norwich or Fulham? I would.
Seaseaseasider
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I'm glad that you have changed your mind on that from calling me out for saying the same to saying this now. Most on here never do. Well done for seeing the light
