Brianna Ghey

Wizzerboy

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Just watched someone on GMB saying that the two children who murdered Brianna shouldn't be named as it'll hinder their rehabilitation and future!!
For Christ's sake, when is this namby pamby molly coddling going to stop.
Poor Brianna hasn't got a future and her family and friends are burdened with a life sentence but we have to think of the accused future!!
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No different to Venables & Thompson, so that sets a legal precedent for withholding their identities.

No doubt, the media will leak their identities just as they did with Thompson & Venables
 
If you read the story these 2 are awful planners and executioners.
Old saying, 'let the punishment fit the crime'.
They did the crime, and by all reports enjoyed doing it.
No reason at all why they should remain anonymous.
I think they'll be out in their 30/40s or even sooner.
Probably get a chunk of cash for their stories.
 
They will be named in February. Not naming them now would serve no purpose as they can be named when they are 18 anyway. The lawyer arguing for the boy stating they are concerned for his mental health was what really riled me. How Brianna’s parents have coped with listening to things like this I do not know.
 
traffordtang said:
They will be named in February. Not naming them now would serve no purpose as they can be named when they are 18 anyway. The lawyer arguing for the boy stating they are concerned for his mental health was what really riled me. How Brianna’s parents have coped with listening to things like this I do not know.
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There has to be something wrong with your mental health if you plan and execute a murder and show no remorse at what you've done.
It is a long and complex argument but there really has to be a reintroduction for the death penalty in certain circumstances.
I watched a documentary on Broadmoor not too long ago and it costs the tax payer something like £200,000/year to keep an individual inmate, that can't be right🤨😔
 
Wizaard said:
The British hangman, Albert Pierpoint lived in Knott End.
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Don't know about Pierrepoint but Harry Allen, who jointly carried the last executions in 1964 worked with my mum at Fleetwood Pier in the late 1970s.

As a child he used to terrify me knowing his former profession, although from memory he was a decent bloke.
 
Chunkylad said:
Her argument was that prison should be about rehabilitation?

Where is the line to be drawn on rehabilitation and release back into the community?
Would a contrite and remorseful Myra Hindley have been ok?
Robbery, burglary, fraud yes - sociapathic murder I struggle with.
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Prison isn’t just about rehabilitation in my opinion. It’s also about punishment.
I’m ok with holding that viewpoint too, even if it isn’t in keeping with the current climate whereby everyone is a victim, even the perpetrators of heinous crimes.
 
The mother said in her statement the pair showed no remorse.
Should never be let out but our legal system will have rights in place for them so they can have an easy life. So called justice.
 
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April13th1970 said:
Did he offer you $51 million if you gave him your bank derails? 💸💸💸💸
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Lol no such thing as t'interweb when I met him (early 91).
Interesting bloke, very matter of fact and clearly what he was doing didn't give him any visible concerns.
In all seriousness I've thought about it long and hard and could I take another person's life by the rope and the answers yes I could.
I know people will say what if it turns out they were innocent all along, and that is a concern but for nailed on killers where there is no doubt at all, Cregan, Brady, West, Shipman, then the rope is a deterrent and saves millions of pounds a year that it costs looking after these creatures.
 
Lala said:
Prison isn’t just about rehabilitation in my opinion. It’s also about punishment.
I’m ok with holding that viewpoint too, even if it isn’t in keeping with the current climate whereby everyone is a victim, even the perpetrators of heinous crimes.
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I agree, and would add that it’s also about deterrence. It’s imperative that we do everything to try and stop others from copying these heinous crimes.
 
traffordtang said:
I agree, and would add that it’s also about deterrence. It’s imperative that we do everything to try and stop others from copying these heinous crimes.
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Nobody in their right mind would copy there crimes so I'm not sure a deterrent works. People who murder in such a way are mentally ill, that's not excusing them its a fact and they shouldn't see light of day again.
 
Shandypants said:
Nobody in their right mind would copy there crimes so I'm not sure a deterrent works. People who murder in such a way are mentally ill, that's not excusing them its a fact and they shouldn't see light of day again.
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Im not so sure of that, especially in the case of minors who can be so easily led. It’s just that it’s incredibly hard for “normal “ folk to comprehend that it’s possible for any sane human being to commit crimes like these.
 
I'm currently watching a programme about serial killer 'Mary Bell' who killed two toddlers in 1968.
She was sentenced to life imprisonment but released only 12 years later aged 23!!
This is where the Mary Bell order comes from, forbidding publication of any information that could identify a child involved in legal proceedings.
 
Lala said:
Prison isn’t just about rehabilitation in my opinion. It’s also about punishment.
I’m ok with holding that viewpoint too, even if it isn’t in keeping with the current climate whereby everyone is a victim, even the perpetrators of heinous crimes.
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Prison is, unfortunately, no longer a deterrent.

Once they let prisoners wear their own clothing, it was a cost cutting move, you suddenly saw the have and the have nots.
I never imagined prisoners having access to televisions again a cost cutting move.
Smash one, get another where's the punishment in that?

The punishment is allegedly loss of liberty however its become a home from home for many.
 
traffordtang said:
Im not so sure of that, especially in the case of minors who can be so easily led. It’s just that it’s incredibly hard for “normal “ folk to comprehend that it’s possible for any sane human being to commit crimes like these.
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Kids know right from wrong at a very early age I they are wired up right. I'm 54 now but I can clearly recall from a very young age what was right.
 
Wizzerboy said:
I'm currently watching a programme about serial killer 'Mary Bell' who killed two toddlers in 1968.
She was sentenced to life imprisonment but released only 12 years later aged 23!!
This is where the Mary Bell order comes from, forbidding publication of any information that could identify a child involved in legal proceedings.
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Near the end of the program you had the obligatory hard liner and do gooder saying if a child could be rehabilitated or not.
The hardliner saying , unfortunately some are just born bad/evil and its got absolutely nothing to do with blaming upbringing, living environment etc.
You had the other view that a child must be given another chance.

They ended the program interviewing the sisters of murdered Martin Brown.
Whilst Mary Bell is living a life of anonymity the sisters remember every birthday that their little brother never had and the pain their mother lives with.
 
Both of the killers are on the autistic spectrum according to the news. If this is true it might possibly help account for some of the extremity of their behaviour and lack of remorse perhaps?
 
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