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Looked miles better once Norburn went off
Ashworth was good
Baggott looks better than Marv
Apter did well at RWB

I’d start all three of Ashworth, Baggott and Apter on Saturday but we all know there’s more chances of me playing up top with Rhodes than Critchley dropping his favourites
 
I think Baggott will start for Casey, Apter played 90 mins CJ will start, Coulson is class, Ashworth a good player to push him for a place, they had a depleted side and 10 men for most of the game, Ashworth was fed the ball in space to cross by Carey time after time, we won’t get that space against 11 first teamers in the league. We are putting a strong squad together the new lad from Southampton is quality by all accounts.
 
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Wizaard said:
Carey is coming in for some stick. He was the only player to take shots from outside the area, something we slag the team off for not doing.

He shot from distance at least 4 times.
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I like Carey and I thought Ember's got better as the game went on. Apter and Baggott were standout and I thought Fletcher lead the line well but a shit penalty. Finnigan and Evans looked good when they came on.
 
We need to see Baggott against a better side with eleven men. Burton made loads of changes and went down to ten men. No sort of test whatsoever.
 
Macseasider said:
I thought Apter looked like I all he knew he would be. When last season all the cautious Critch acoloytes were telling me "he wasn't ready" and that he "might not be good enough for League 1".

He was then and is now. Could have been the difference between promotion and not last season.
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Player development is a slow tedious process, you should know that by now. 😉
 
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The 2nd half of the 2nd half was much better. How much of that was down to us upping the ante with the subs and them getting tired I don't know. Probably a bit of both. Loved to see a player in the side like Apter who is comfortable on the ball and likes to go forward. Not had a player like that for a while..possibly Bowler..but he kept losing the ball quite regularly. Apter looks as if he has a football brain. Liked what I saw with Baggott. And a few other good contributions. Still worried about our forward line. Beesley and Fletcher looked a poor combination to me. Still not sure about Joseph. Hope this new forward is as good as some of the reports suggest. Yes..better tonight..but against 10 men for so long you'd expect them to win. Acid test Saturday. You could see the joy on the players faces at the end so tonight's result should massively improve the confidence. Let's see if we can build on this on Saturday and build some positivity again.
 
voyeur said:
Played development is a slow tedious process, you should know that by now. 😉
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It is. First player that has been given a chance since Barks. And his chance was cut short. Before that I haven't a clue. Sinclair or Wright? We really just don't ever give talented kids a chance to have a career at Blackpool FC.

Loads get that after leaving our club hugely disappointed.
 
Great result in the end, and will hopefully give everyone, including us, a bit of a lift.
The squad is looking stronger and deeper, but still quite a bit of rebuilding to do. Saturday will be a much bigger test. Hope we can rise to the challenge and see a better tempo, and a bit more cohesion. I had factored in a slow start points wise, but we need to get some on the board.
 
Sooty59 said:
We won so I’m happy for that. I’d feel better if our forwards started scoring too. Wonder if the new lad will feature at all on Saturday. Hope so.
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Fletcher. It was written in the stars that penalty wasn't going in. Shame because I think it affected him.

Overall I thought he looked far more of a player than any of the others (bar Rhodes).

The commentary was awful on that penalty. After multiple replays showing the Burton defender handling the ball the odd commentator really didn't have the skills to work out what happened with the red card. It remained a mystery to him why the player was sent off.
 
Baggott looked good ,he has to start for me ,Coulson at left wing back should start ,Apter won’t start though I’d prefer him to CJ .Fletcher and Rhodes up front .Embleton still needs to get up to speed so bench spot atm .I think Carey will still start with Evans and Norburn .That’s my take .We need to score first on Saturday
 
Players who must start:
CJ
Husband
Norburn

Players who should start:
Pennington
Carey
Rhodes

Players who must not start:
Apter
Finnigan
Gabriel
 
philmus said:
Critchley post-match: “At times we were too aggressive in our pressing”. Obviously still in shock watching us go forwards and score 4 goals - and determined it won’t happen again
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I think that’s actually true. Couple of times we did press too aggressively and got caught out when we really didn’t need to. Fine line needs work on the grass.
 
I'd like to see Ashworth pushing Husband for that left centre back position. He has played there before as well as wing back, and I'd prefer Coulson to stay where he is, in his best position. However, I dont think NC will drop his captain.
 
Macseasider said:
It is. First player that has been given a chance since Barks. And his chance was cut short. Before that I haven't a clue. Sinclair or Wright? We really just don't ever give talented kids a chance to have a career at Blackpool FC.

Loads get that after leaving our club hugely disappointed.
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I’m just wondering if they knew they were getting Dembele and thought Rob needed games and wouldn’t push him out?

Ironically with the tweak in formation he is playing Apter not in the Dembele 10 role but now in an advanced RW / RM role. Embo is the replacement for Dembele albeit a different style of 10
 
tangible said:
I'd like to see Ashworth pushing Husband for that left centre back position. He has played there before as well as wing back, and I'd prefer Coulson to stay where he is, in his best position. However, I dont think NC will drop his captain.
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Seen him against us for Bolton but first time I've seen some of a game for us that he's played in last night. And yes my initial impression was he's a left sided centre half who was being asked to play wide and further forward in a sort of wonky half-shape thing where the overall set up looks like it's us who has had the defender sent off but before kick off.

Same on the other side with Apter and Pennington as a false number 2 with a lot of the pitch to cover. But he's a right sided centre half who shouldn't be doing that. It should be the job of a proper right back.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Bit bored of the Norburn hate to be honest. Think it's trivial, you need players like Norburn in certain games.

Finnegan played better than Embleton who looked a mile off it tonight and thought he made the difference and stretched them.
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That’s a bit rich Kurt, given your targeted hatred of CJ.

Norburn has lost his 6 position to Evan’s, who is different class in comparison. The problem for Norburn is that he struggles with passing, we know that. Anything over 5-10 yards he regularly turns down and comes back inside. He doesn’t have the confidence or ability to make those passes. He couldn’t in the 6 and it’s like having a holding mid in an attacking mid position. He can’t find defence splitting passes and he can’t get the ball quickly to the WB. It’s often a square pass, not angled to the WB, which slows our game down.

As much as I think he’s solid, he’s holding us back in midfield. Of course you’d always have him on the bench, as there will be a time to bring him on.
 
voyeur said:
We need to see Baggott against a better side with eleven men. Burton made loads of changes and went down to ten men. No sort of test whatsoever.
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Agree but from what I saw he looked so commanding in our own box heading balls away, putting blocks in. In the opps box hes going to be well marshalled so leaving space for others but still think he'll score 4 or 5 this season. Looks a really good signing
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
That’s a bit rich Kurt, given your targeted hatred of CJ.

Norburn has lost his 6 position to Evan’s, who is different class in comparison. The problem for Norburn is that he struggles with passing, we know that. Anything over 5-10 yards he regularly turns down and comes back inside. He doesn’t have the confidence or ability to make those passes. He couldn’t in the 6 and it’s like having a holding mid in an attacking mid position. He can’t find defence splitting passes and he can’t get the ball quickly to the WB. It’s often a square pass, not angled to the WB, which slows our game down.

As much as I think he’s solid, he’s holding us back in midfield. Of course you’d always have him on the bench, as there will be a time to bring him on.
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How is it rich? I don't abuse CJ at games. And never have. So your first comment is bollocks.

Also Apter last night showed CJ up massively and made Critch look like a complete tit.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Bit bored of the Norburn hate to be honest. Think it's trivial, you need players like Norburn in certain games.

Finnegan played better than Embleton who looked a mile off it tonight and thought he made the difference and stretched them.
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You need crap players in certain games ? Like ones we're planning on losing perhaps ?
 
SeasideKurt said:
How is it rich? I don't abuse CJ at games. And never have. So your first comment is bollocks.

Also Apter last night showed CJ up massively and made Critch look like a complete tit.
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Oh, so it’s ok online.

I said that about Apter after Crewe, that he should start at Crawley. Not disagreeing with you there.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Oh, so it’s ok online.

I said that about Apter after Crewe, that he should start at Crawley. Not disagreeing with you there.
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I don't abuse CJ Hamilton. I give my opinion that he is not good enough and I respond to comments about him.

I've said multiple times he's probably a good lad and I would never abuse him to his face and I definitely do not hate him. He just does not produce the goods for Blackpool enough and he's been a core problem to this teams success over the last 24 months.

If we aren't able to give an opinion about players or Blackpool FC, we should close the forum down.
 
Kouassi, Morgan & Beesley after decent performances in cup competitions started for the first team next game last season,can we put to bed then this myth that those who played well last night have got no chance for Saturday.

Ashworth had a decent first half but for two thirds of the game we weren't that good, midfield didn't work again and forwards offering not a lot.

So really hard to judge against a tiring side who had played most of the game with 10 men how anyone really excelled.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I don't abuse CJ Hamilton. I give my opinion that he is not good enough and I respond to comments about him.

I've said multiple times he's probably a good lad and I would never abuse him to his face and I definitely do not hate him. He just does not produce the goods for Blackpool enough and he's been a core problem to this teams success over the last 24 months.

If we aren't able to give an opinion about players or Blackpool FC, we should close the forum down.
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Come off it Kurt, your views on CJ are not provided with a considered and constructive view. That's shown by the words "he's been a core problem to the teams success over the last 24 months" as if by replacing him we'd be in a much better place. There's believing he's not good enough and there's pushing the blame for collective weakness towards certain players, when - in all honesty - most have shown they're not good enough to get us promoted.

Norburn also gets far too much negative comments. It's usually from people who've decided he's 'shit' and see the negative first and ignore anything positive or don't give other players the same grief when they make similar errors. It's been like this forever in football.

I've noticed Husband is starting to fall into the firing line of some now. This is a guy who's generally been a solid and consistent performer for us at League 1 level. If we're moaning about him then we really have become entitled because he's generally a 7/10 performer 85% of the time, with the odd 8/9 out of 10, but also a few 5/6 out of 10's to ensure he'll never really be Championship quality.
 
straightatthewall said:
Come off it Kurt, your views on CJ are not provided with a considered and constructive view. That's shown by the words "he's been a core problem to the teams success over the last 24 months" as if by replacing him we'd be in a much better place. There's believing he's not good enough and there's pushing the blame for collective weakness towards certain players, when - in all honesty - most have shown they're not good enough to get us promoted.

Norburn also gets far too much negative comments. It's usually from people who've decided he's 'shit' and see the negative first and ignore anything positive or don't give other players the same grief when they make similar errors. It's been like this forever in football.

I've noticed Husband is starting to fall into the firing line of some now. This is a guy who's generally been a solid and consistent performer for us at League 1 level. If we're moaning about him then we really have become entitled because he's generally a 7/10 performer 85% of the time, with the odd 8/9 out of 10, but also a few 5/6 out of 10's to ensure he'll never really be Championship quality.
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Sorry I have given stats and more than a good enough reasoned argument as to why he's not good enough. So I think your first paragraph is just nonsense. I've challenged people multiple times to tell me what he does well as a professional footballer and outside of being quick, no one can give me an actual reason why he should be in this team.

His ball retention and all round skills are exceptionally poor for a League One footballer.

So sorry, it's a considered and constructive view which is suddenly realised when someone who have far more footballing ability than CJ is given a chance.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Sorry I have given stats and more than a good enough reasoned argument as to why he's not good enough. So I think your first paragraph is just nonsense. I've challenged people multiple times to tell me what he does well as a professional footballer and outside of being quick, no one can give me an actual reason why he should be in this team.

His ball retention and all round skills are exceptionally poor for a League One footballer.

So sorry, it's a considered and constructive view which is suddenly realised when someone who have far more footballing ability than CJ is given a chance.
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You're missing the obvious point. We can all see where he has limitations. I fully agree with the points on ball retention and skills in tight spaces, but he's also clearly not an 'exceptionally poor League One footballer' either. He's just an average Joe player who's currently being asked to do things that don't suit at all. Last Saturday he was employed in some type of Salah/Saka role, coming in off the right corner of the box to create. He caused some problems for his full back, but it's a ridiculous ask of him. We can all see that the hit rate when he comes inside will be low, because he's not got the quality to do it consistently like a Salah/Saka would (surprise surprise) and if he goes outside to the line we know he's not got a right foot good enough for anything other than hit or hope.

But who's to blame here? A player for being asked to do something that we all know he's going to be average at best at or the coach for asking him to do it? Even 'better' players like Embleton and Apter suffered the same problems and it's not like we looked like creating better chances when they were on the pitch. How long did it take us to break down Burton last night? I'm surprised we weren't ahead well before 70 mins given how significantly better everything was and we were playing against 10 men...

I can't speak for others, but I'm not calling out your views on CJ because I think CJ is brilliant. It's because I think your criticism of him is over the top and disproportionate to the guys performances and ability. I don't think that if we employed him in a way more suited to his strengths we'd have a world beater, but I do think we'd have a more effective player to use as part of our overall squad.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I don't abuse CJ Hamilton. I give my opinion that he is not good enough and I respond to comments about him.

I've said multiple times he's probably a good lad and I would never abuse him to his face and I definitely do not hate him. He just does not produce the goods for Blackpool enough and he's been a core problem to this teams success over the last 24 months.

If we aren't able to give an opinion about players or Blackpool FC, we should close the forum down.
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Yeh, but people are only having an opinion on Norburn, that was the point you made. I don’t see any hatred, as you put it, towards him.
 
straightatthewall said:
You're missing the obvious point. We can all see where he has limitations. I fully agree with the points on ball retention and skills in tight spaces, but he's also clearly not an 'exceptionally poor League One footballer' either. He's just an average Joe player who's currently being asked to do things that don't suit at all. Last Saturday he was employed in some type of Salah/Saka role, coming in off the right corner of the box to create. He caused some problems for his full back, but it's a ridiculous ask of him. We can all see that the hit rate when he comes inside will be low, because he's not got the quality to do it consistently like a Salah/Saka would (surprise surprise) and if he goes outside to the line we know he's not got a right foot good enough for anything other than hit or hope.

But who's to blame here? A player for being asked to do something that we all know he's going to be average at best at or the coach for asking him to do it? Even 'better' players like Embleton and Apter suffered the same problems and it's not like we looked like creating better chances when they were on the pitch. How long did it take us to break down Burton last night? I'm surprised we weren't ahead well before 70 mins given how significantly better everything was and we were playing against 10 men...

I can't speak for others, but I'm not calling out your views on CJ because I think CJ is brilliant. It's because I think your criticism of him is over the top and disproportionate to the guys performances and ability. I don't think that if we employed him in a way more suited to his strengths we'd have a world beater, but I do think we'd have a more effective player to use as part of our overall squad.
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I saw over 25 games in person last season and I can count on one hand how many 6 or 7/10s he displayed. And only one which was an 8/10 max.

You're even doing the argument for me? He's not good enough whether he's playing left wing, right wing, left wing back. He doesn't move intelligently to give options, he doesn't move from the byline. He stood static for most of Saturday. His crossing is exceptionally poor, look at Rob yesterday evening and last season. Put in far more threatening crosses.

I've said numerous times that he has a time and a place as a Blackpool player but that time and place is not playing 40+ games a season. If CJ plays that many games, Blackpool FC aren't successful. That is a fact. When we've had better quality on the wings, Bowler/Anderson/Mitchell/Embleton we've had far better seasons.

I'll give you one simple reason as to why he's not good enough and why he's been used for a ridiculous reason, when we have attacking corners, he isn't trusted to be in and around the box to take a shot or deliver a cross or to get on the end of a corner. He's at the back sweeping things up because he's quick. You would never ever do that with a winger who is generally a more skillful, better shot taker, better crosser of the ball.

I don't need to say much more, if we want to be successful, then we need better quality in CJs position and the wider positions. Apter will have to prove that over the next few games if given the chance.
 
philmus said:
Critchley post-match: “At times we were too aggressive in our pressing”. Obviously still in shock watching us go forwards and score 4 goals - and determined it won’t happen again
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Didn’t see that comment. He did say at times we didn’t move the ball quick enough or get it forward when we should.

Sounds positive to me
 
Norburn wasn't too bad last night, he wasn't the worst player Saturday either. However in this formation you need midfielders that run beyond the striker and arrive in the box late for crosses (like Finnegan did) and he's so immobile that's impossible for him so there's just no balance. He's a sub for me. Embleton isn't fully fit and thought he struggled last night along with Beesley who was ominous.
Positives i thought Apter was dangerous all game, Fletchers hold up play was decent and Ashworth improved as the game went on.
 
SeasideKurt said:
No, they actually aren't. At Crawley he was getting abuse from the stands which he definitely heard.
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As has CJ and other players, I’ve heard it. Nothing new about Norburn or our fans having a moan, it happens at every ground every week.

Norburn really wasn’t the right buy, as we needed a ball playing 6 with 2 more attacking mids in front. I feel for him a bit, because he’s a good solid player and there will be times when we’ll need him most games this season. I just wouldn’t start him.

Bit like Marv, asked to play at the centre of a 3 when he didn’t have the passing ability. You could see the damage that did the lad.

It all goes back to the manager and the players are sadly caught in the crossfire.
 
SeasideKurt said:
I saw over 25 games in person last season and I can count on one hand how many 6 or 7/10s he displayed. And only one which was an 8/10 max.

You're even doing the argument for me? He's not good enough whether he's playing left wing, right wing, left wing back. He doesn't move intelligently to give options, he doesn't move from the byline. He stood static for most of Saturday. His crossing is exceptionally poor, look at Rob yesterday evening and last season. Put in far more threatening crosses.

I've said numerous times that he has a time and a place as a Blackpool player but that time and place is not playing 40+ games a season. If CJ plays that many games, Blackpool FC aren't successful. That is a fact. When we've had better quality on the wings, Bowler/Anderson/Mitchell/Embleton we've had far better seasons.

I'll give you one simple reason as to why he's not good enough and why he's been used for a ridiculous reason, when we have attacking corners, he isn't trusted to be in and around the box to take a shot or deliver a cross or to get on the end of a corner. He's at the back sweeping things up because he's quick. You would never ever do that with a winger who is generally a more skillful, better shot taker, better crosser of the ball.

I don't need to say much more, if we want to be successful, then we need better quality in CJs position and the wider positions. Apter will have to prove that over the next few games if given the chance.
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I'm glad you took time to phrase your argument like that, because I 100% agree with the points your making in that last post. It was the same point futureistangerine made on Saturday night too. It's not about CJ, who I think can offer us something as part of the squad, when used correctly. It's about CJ being our primary creative outlet, which - with all due respect to the effort the guy puts in - says more about the quality of the squad than anything else. Reminds me of when Neil Bishop was signed. Fine to 'do a job' when needed. Not fine if he's starting game after game...The only difference is I think CJ is much closer to the average L1 standard than NB was to the average Championship standard...

By the way, the 6 or 7's comment related to Husband. Not CJ.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Sorry I have given stats and more than a good enough reasoned argument as to why he's not good enough. So I think your first paragraph is just nonsense. I've challenged people multiple times to tell me what he does well as a professional footballer and outside of being quick, no one can give me an actual reason why he should be in this team.

His ball retention and all round skills are exceptionally poor for a League One footballer.

So sorry, it's a considered and constructive view which is suddenly realised when someone who have far more footballing ability than CJ is given a chance.
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Kurt, you claimed CJ was the reason we lost at Crawley. He was actually one of the few better players on the day. That’s not balanced or reflective of the actual reason we lost - the way we set up and our exposed & poor defending.

Nobody disagrees that CJ has his limitations, it’s just that you focus mainly on him. That’s unfair and although you claim you don’t abuse him in the ground, I’d be amazed if you’ve never shouted “CJ your sh*t”. You also claim you wouldn’t say it to his face, of course you wouldn’t, but he can read you know.
 
straightatthewall said:
I'm glad you took time to phrase your argument like that, because I 100% agree with the points your making in that last post. It was the same point futureistangerine made on Saturday night too. It's not about CJ, who I think can offer us something as part of the squad, when used correctly. It's about CJ being our primary creative outlet, which - with all due respect to the effort the guy puts in - says more about the quality of the squad than anything else. Reminds me of when Neil Bishop was signed. Fine to 'do a job' when needed. Not fine if he's starting game after game...The only difference is I think CJ is much closer to the average L1 standard than NB was to the average Championship standard...

By the way, the 6 or 7's comment related to Husband. Not CJ.
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A lot of my challenge to people has been around when they are saying he's being played out of position but the fact of the matter for me is that he lacks some real football basics to be good enough to get out of this league.

He isn't the only culprit of playing poorly I agree.
TimperleyTangerine said:
As has CJ and other players, I’ve heard it. Nothing new about Norburn or our fans having a moan, it happens at every ground every week.

Norburn really wasn’t the right buy, as we needed a ball playing 6 with 2 more attacking mids in front. I feel for him a bit, because he’s a good solid player and there will be times when we’ll need him most games this season. I just wouldn’t start him.

Bit like Marv, asked to play at the centre of a 3 when he didn’t have the passing ability. You could see the damage that did the lad.

It all goes back to the manager and the players are sadly caught in the crossfire.
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I do agree with a lot of what your saying but I have only heard people say "ffs CJ" I've rarely heard him get out and out abuse like Norburn did.

Norburn needs an Evans next to him and I don't think Norburn was the issue on Saturday it was the back 3 + GK and the lack of an out ball to the front 2.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Kurt, you claimed CJ was the reason we lost at Crawley. He was actually one of the few better players on the day. That’s not balanced or reflective of the actual reason we lost - the way we set up and our exposed & poor defending.

Nobody disagrees that CJ has his limitations, it’s just that you focus mainly on him. That’s unfair and although you claim you don’t abuse him in the ground, I’d be amazed if you’ve never shouted “CJ your sh*t”. You also claim you wouldn’t say it to his face, of course you wouldn’t, but he can read you know.
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No I didn't. Please stop mis-quoting me because it's really poor from you and it's making you lose credibility coming back to me.

I stated that if CJ had played well, as people suggested he had, we wouldn't have lost. Because if your "creative attacking" players are playing well, they would have scored or created chances or assisted. And he didn't do any of that with a substantial amount of opportunities to do so.
 
Yeah, not sure if it's my posts that are being referenced here, but I'm not slagging off Norburn nor 'hating'. And, if so, unsure how that is any different to the frequent CJ posts on here.

I think he's struggling in the system and I'd rather him not start on Saturday. We looked better when he was dropped at the end of last season and went on that four-game (I think) winning run. We've looked better shape-wise with him off the pitch in the last two games. I also think he can play a part in the squad. I think that's fairly reasoned and I also said that CJ should be bit-part at best.

SeasideKurt said:
Norburn needs an Evans next to him and I don't think Norburn was the issue on Saturday it was the back 3 + GK and the lack of an out ball to the front 2.
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When Norburn came off and Embleton came on against Crawley, we actually started getting the ball to the forwards' feet - especially Fletcher's, noticeably, when he came on. I don't think I saw that once while Norburn was on - like you say, we lacked an out ball, but that change rectified it. Back three were all over the shop, agreed on that.
 
thefutureistangerine said:
Yeah, not sure if it's my posts that are being referenced here, but I'm not slagging off Norburn nor 'hating'. And, if so, unsure how that is any different to the frequent CJ posts on here.
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My comment stemmed from the fact I didn't agree with the abuse Norburn was getting in person and you referenced to me doing the same to CJ on this forum.

Doing so on a forum and doing so to a persons face is different. But also, I don't abuse CJ, I argue he makes us a far poorer football side. And I'm yet to see an argument to make me wrong.
 
SeasideKurt said:
No I didn't. Please stop mis-quoting me because it's really poor from you and it's making you lose credibility coming back to me.

I stated that if CJ had played well, as people suggested he had, we wouldn't have lost. Because if your "creative attacking" players are playing well, they would have scored or created chances or assisted. And he didn't do any of that with a substantial amount of opportunities to do so.
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I’m not misquoting you Kurt, go back and read what you posted. You can play with the words if you wish, but you mentioned CJ specifically in the context of us losing. I don’t believe you mentioned any other player in that post.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
I’m not misquoting you Kurt, go back and read what you posted. You can play with the words if you wish, but you mentioned CJ specifically in the context of us losing. I don’t believe you mentioned any other player in that post.
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You are mis quoting me, I can remember exactly what I said. I was disputing someone saying he had a good game. And I said "If he was good, we wouldn't have lost". So where is that laying the only blame on CJ? It's stating that a winger, who's job it is to create chances and score goals. Cannot have a good game as a footballer if he isn't doing that.

He had a large portion of the ball and if was good at his role on that day, with the amount of ball he had in promising areas, if he showed better quality. We simply wouldn't have lost that game as he would have created or scored.

It's really not difficult to understand. And if you pay attention to posts, which you seem inept at, I've also said that CJ wasn't the worst player on the pitch.
 
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