Can we please stop with all theae ridiculous manager shouts

Phil_bfc deux

Phil_bfc deux

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Critchley, Holloway, Adam etc

Or even some of the names that we would have zero chance of ever getting

What we need now is for the board to actually look at the players that we have signed for next season along with any prospective incomings and find a manger who can get the best out of our squad

We need a plan and a system and it all has to work together

We need a definded way of playing and a process from top to bottom not some emotional attachment to someone who has been here before

Appleton and McCarthy were both hopeless with zero homework done

Big couple of months ahead
 
Don't agree with you on a lot Phil but fully agree with your" emotional attachment " point

" don't get sentimental it always turns out drivel"

Not sure who will fit yet and next appointment will have to be thought out carefully
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Critchley, Holloway, Adam etc

Or even some of the names that we would have zero chance of ever getting

What we need now is for the board to actually look at the players that we have signed for next season along with any prospective incomings and find a manger who can get the best out of our squad

We need a plan and a system and it all has to work together

We need a definded way of playing and a process from top to bottom not some emotional attachment to someone who has been here before

Appleton and McCarthy were both hopeless with zero homework done

Big couple of months ahead
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So who do you suggest? Realistically of course.
 
Million dollar question who?
You can do as much homework as you want its a complete guess as I posted on another thread-Ayre second in command behind Mullen,Grayson reserves, Ollie making garden sheds no one wanted, Critchley coaching kids at Liverpool all successful no one could predict.

Then you've the 5k and under we're prepared to pay if you want experienced they ain't coming for that unless their desperate like MM.

So I don't have a problem with Adam(done his badges) in the third division all coaches have to start somewhere as proven above.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Critchley, Holloway, Adam etc

Or even some of the names that we would have zero chance of ever getting

What we need now is for the board to actually look at the players that we have signed for next season along with any prospective incomings and find a manger who can get the best out of our squad

We need a plan and a system and it all has to work together

We need a definded way of playing and a process from top to bottom not some emotional attachment to someone who has been here before

Appleton and McCarthy were both hopeless with zero homework done

Big couple of months ahead
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Good post people need to give their heads a wobble like when people were creaming over us appointing dinomick. Need to look at Crichtley’s last 3/4 games with us and last 10 with QPR to know he’s tactics are getting found out.

New manager, new vision is needed.

Personally I’ll seriously look at Daryll Clarke from Port Vale.
 
LeedsSeasider said:
I’d be quite happy to see how Dobbie does but I wouldn’t mind getting Thommo back as his assistant. He speaks a lot of sense, knows where things are going wrong and how to fix them.
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Not for me sorry

We need fresh football ideas but also someone who has a proven coaching record
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Critchley, Holloway, Adam etc

Or even some of the names that we would have zero chance of ever getting

What we need now is for the board to actually look at the players that we have signed for next season along with any prospective incomings and find a manger who can get the best out of our squad

We need a plan and a system and it all has to work together

We need a definded way of playing and a process from top to bottom not some emotional attachment to someone who has been here before

Appleton and McCarthy were both hopeless with zero homework done

Big couple of months ahead
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Spot on Phil 👍
 
Seaseaseasider said:
Brian Barry-Murphy? Young manager who played good football at Rochdale and has been Man City Under 23's manager for quite a while. Will be aware of lots of good young talent.
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He has a Knobber tag which will come back to haunt him if he has a poor run of results.
 
I think that before any appointment is made Sadler has to publicly announce his intentions regarding the future of the club. We have Mansford saying that we are essentially a League One club punching above our weight, yet Sadler, if he is to be believed, has always maintained that his intentions were to establish us as a Championship club so which one is it?
Is there going to be a budget for next season that will enable us to be competitive in League One, and if not, then why not. Myself and my family along with many others I'm sure, do not want to buy season tickets for next season to watch us struggle against the likes of Exeter, Lincoln, and Cheltenham. I want assurances that there will be substantial investments in the squad, something that has been lacking this sorry season, and that the club will be doing their level best to make a swift return to the Championship.
With regards to appointing a new manager, people are entitled to their opinions of course, however Critchley walked out on us after signing a 4 year contract a matter of weeks before and should not be up for consideration if indeed he is, as that would be the one reason alone that I would not renew my season ticket.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I have no idea to be honest as I don't know the budget the club has or what player plans it has

All I do know is that I would prefer a young progressive type of manager who wants to play more of a possession based style
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You want Apples back don't you. Come on admit it............
 
Billed said:
I think that before any appointment is made Sadler has to publicly announce his intentions regarding the future of the club. We have Mansford saying that we are essentially a League One club punching above our weight, yet Sadler, if he is to be believed, has always maintained that his intentions were to establish us as a Championship club so which one is it?
Is there going to be a budget for next season that will enable us to be competitive in League One, and if not, then why not. Myself and my family along with many others I'm sure, do not want to buy season tickets for next season to watch us struggle against the likes of Exeter, Lincoln, and Cheltenham. I want assurances that there will be substantial investments in the squad, something that has been lacking this sorry season, and that the club will be doing their level best to make a swift return to the Championship.
With regards to appointing a new manager, people are entitled to their opinions of course, however Critchley walked out on us after signing a 4 year contract a matter of weeks before and should not be up for consideration if indeed he is, as that would be the one reason alone that I would not renew my season ticket.
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It is possible to be a L1 club that aspires to become an established Championship club, I suspect most L1 clubs are. Sadler has already said that we'd have a top 8 budget in L1. As for not buying a season ticket without your demands first being met, how the fuck can you seriously demand a level of commitment from the club when you don't have any commitment yourself? It works both ways in the real world, if you're not prepared to put your hand in your pocket without any assurances, why should the owner be?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I have no idea to be honest as I don't know the budget the club has or what player plans it has

All I do know is that I would prefer a young progressive type of manager who wants to play more of a possession based style
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You never really have an original thought do you? You prefer to sit back and criticise others for having an opinion and putting forward names.

Don't hide behind the budget and player plans argument it's too easy.
 
Seainsea said:
You never really have an original thought do you? You prefer to sit back and criticise others for having an opinion and putting forward names.

Don't hide behind the budget and player plans argument it's too easy.
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If we don't know the budget how can we pick a manager

For example there isn't a cat in hells chance Evo or Edwards would come to us yet people are still mentioning them

It's ridiculous
 
The budget is known, maybe not to you and me precisely, but we have been told how much Simon will be putting in if we are in the Championship or League 1.
I'm not sure you can go and appoint someone on the basis of the players you have. The whole point is we want change. You are more likely to appoint a Manager on the style of football you want for the future and allow the Manager to assemble a squad which obviously won't happen overnight. (that's why you give the Manager a 4 year contract 😉)
I've no idea who that person will be but I'd certainly be wanting someone, young, intelligent, hardworking and ambitious although the latter can be a bit of a poisoned chalice.
 
This is a really difficult point for the board as they've also got to replace Badlad (assuming they do) with someone who integrates with an as yet unknown manager.
 
Billed said:
I think that before any appointment is made Sadler has to publicly announce his intentions regarding the future of the club. We have Mansford saying that we are essentially a League One club punching above our weight, yet Sadler, if he is to be believed, has always maintained that his intentions were to establish us as a Championship club so which one is it?
Is there going to be a budget for next season that will enable us to be competitive in League One, and if not, then why not. Myself and my family along with many others I'm sure, do not want to buy season tickets for next season to watch us struggle against the likes of Exeter, Lincoln, and Cheltenham. I want assurances that there will be substantial investments in the squad, something that has been lacking this sorry season, and that the club will be doing their level best to make a swift return to the Championship.
With regards to appointing a new manager, people are entitled to their opinions of course, however Critchley walked out on us after signing a 4 year contract a matter of weeks before and should not be up for consideration if indeed he is, as that would be the one reason alone that I would not renew my season ticket.
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Bang on great post
 
td53 said:
This is a really difficult point for the board as they've also got to replace Badlad (assuming they do) with someone who integrates with an as yet unknown manager.
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Why does the club need another layer of senior management

What does Mansford do?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Why does the club need another layer of senior management

What does Mansford do?
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That's a fair question.

I think the club needs some football knowledge or direction. If you look at say, Luton - they've had Mick Harford in there behind the scenes (and occasionally popping up on the bench) for a decade or more.

Look at Brentford and they have a highly defined data driven process that is understood by all. Two different approaches but essentially, both have a really strong identity that runs deeper than the current manager.

I think we need to have someone above the manager (or something that is understood by all) - if we had that, then we'd not have made such weird reactive decisions. Badlad was obviously not that man. I assume the intent was that he would bring some kind of process to it all beyond Ben's books of contacts.

Whether you need that in addition to or instead of the current structure is the question.

Right now, the question is not 'who?' but 'what?' - you can't answer 'who?' until we understand what we actually want to be.
 
We’ve been relegated before and it’ll happen again but this one sees an opportunity to change & freshen things up.

Mansford has flopped on his arse the past 12 months and no amount of “synergising”… “the Blackpool way” & his other bullshit phrases will cover this up.

Simon Sadler has entrusted him and paid him very well to run the Club. Things might be improving behind the scenes but it’s on the pitch that matters most and managerial recruitment has been shocking as has player recruitment. People can blame Sadler but he’s not the one who was sat with Colby Bishop and Cameron Brannagan etc. The Chris Badlan saga and then the last week or so just show to me the board are making it up as they go along.

Heads need to roll for it.

We’ve not gone down unluckily, we’ve self harmed with stupid mistakes, not signing players we needed to in key positions. If anyone can correct me that’s fine, but I don’t think a CEO giving a ref shit and getting a 1 game ban is his job? He said he’d rather do it so it’s not them, but leave that to the management and playing staff. Stick to being a CEO and stay out the football talk as you have shown you are clueless.

Now we’ll be in League 1, I’m up for the Eric Ramsey style appointment with a blueprint of signing young players and developing them with an attacking style of football. Kieron McKenna has done a fantastic job at Ipswich. Could we get Ramsey? Who knows? But we need a fresh start. Modern, forward thinking. I’ve got PTSD from Mick McCarthy’s football and squad selections.

When Critchley left we had a chance to kick on I thought. Make a great appointment, go and get someone’s manager and big the Club up. For some reason, we accepted trying to finish 21st went for a totally dull appointment and killed any optimism. The lecture letter was a red flag too.

So it’s a reset, change the staff and bring in a new guy with fresh ideas and approach.

We’ll be back.
 
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td53 said:
That's a fair question.

I think the club needs some football knowledge or direction. If you look at say, Luton - they've had Mick Harford in there behind the scenes (and occasionally popping up on the bench) for a decade or more.

Look at Brentford and they have a highly defined process that is understood by all.

I think we need to have someone above the manager (or something that is understood by all) - if we had that, then we'd not have made such weird reactive decisions. Badlad was obviously not that man. I assume the intent was that he would bring some kind of process to it all beyond Ben's books of contacts.

Whether you need that in addition to or instead of the current structure is the question.

Right now, the question is not 'who?' but 'what?' - you can't answer 'who?' until we understand what we actually want to be.
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I think my point is more on Mansford

What do we get for 300k a year? Isn't he supposed to be the football man with experience at Barnsley, Leeds and in Israel with Avram Grant
 
Adams Kebab said:
We’ve been relegated before and it’ll happen again but this one sees an opportunity to change & freshen things up.

Mansford has flopped on his arse the past 12 months and no amount of “synergising”… “the Blackpool way” & his other bullshit phrases will cover this up.

Simon Sadler has entrusted him and paid him very well to run the Club. Things might be improving behind the scenes but it’s on the pitch that matters most and managerial recruitment has been shocking as has player recruitment. People can blame Sadler but he’s not the one who was sat with Colby Bishop and Cameron Brannagan etc. The Chris Badlan saga and then the last week or so just show to me the board are making it up as they go along.

Heads need to roll for it.

We’ve not gone down unluckily, we’ve self harmed with stupid mistakes, not signing players we needed to in key positions. If anyone can correct me that’s fine, but I don’t think a CEO giving a ref shit and getting a 1 game ban is his job? He said he’d rather do it so it’s not them, but leave that to the management and playing staff. Stick to being a CEO and stay out the football talk as you have shown you are clueless.

Now we’ll be in League 1, I’m up for the Eric Ramsey style appointment with a blueprint of signing young players and developing them with an attacking style of football. Kieron McKenna has done a fantastic job at Ipswich. Could we get Ramsey? Who knows? But we need a fresh start. Modern, forward thinking. I’ve got PTSD from Mick McCarthy’s football and squad selections.

When Critchley left we had a chance to kick on I thought. Make a great appointment, go and get someone’s manager and big the Club up. For some reason, we accepted trying to finish 21st went for a totally dull appointment and killed any optimism. The lecture letter was a red flag too.

So it’s a reset, change the staff and bring in a new guy with fresh ideas and approach.

We’ll be back.
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That’s a strong post AK.

First season up in the Championship we did well. Mid table finish, progressed through contracts and securing players like Yates and Grimmy etc etc.

When Critch went we should have acted like a Championship club and bullied the lower leagues. Go and get the best manager from Div 1 or 2. Offer strong money and demand they get us in the play offs. Even if behind the scene we didn’t believe it, that’s how the club needed to act.

We didn’t. We went for a freebie and asked him to keep us up if he possibly could?

So now we are going down, act like the biggest team in Div1 like normal relegated teams do. Go and bully lower Div 1 or top Div 2 teams. Grab their manager and players. Invest that way.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
What does Mansford do?
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That's an interesting question.
When Simon bought the Club he was living in Hong Kong, we had travel restrictions due to Covid so he needed someone hands on in the UK to run the Club AND someone to sort through all the post Oyston mess.
To be fair to Ben he appears to have done that very well both on and off the pitch.
So that was his job originally.
Simon has of course now returned to the UK and it looks like he's a lot more "hands on".
Does that mean that Simon is taking on some of the jobs that Ben used to do?
Perhaps and is that a good or a bad thing?
Results on the pitch haven't improved that's for certain but I don't know enough to apportion to blame to anyone in particular.
What we have got are some interesting comments from @Rektseasider, who's got a reputation for ITK stuff, on the Sadler/Mansford thread about the current failing relationship between the Board members.
So do we need another layer of Senior Management? ( We might actually need 2 new Board members!!)
We do need someone in charge of recruitment which I'd say is "middle" management. Recruitment is absolutely key and I certainly don't think that's a job for Ben Mansford.
His job is to seal the deals and you can form your own opinion about how good he is at that.
It certainly sounds like we are in for an interesting close season.
 
td53 said:
That's a fair question.

I think the club needs some football knowledge or direction. If you look at say, Luton - they've had Mick Harford in there behind the scenes (and occasionally popping up on the bench) for a decade or more.

Look at Brentford and they have a highly defined data driven process that is understood by all. Two different approaches but essentially, both have a really strong identity that runs deeper than the current manager.

I think we need to have someone above the manager (or something that is understood by all) - if we had that, then we'd not have made such weird reactive decisions. Badlad was obviously not that man. I assume the intent was that he would bring some kind of process to it all beyond Ben's books of contacts.

Whether you need that in addition to or instead of the current structure is the question.

Right now, the question is not 'who?' but 'what?' - you can't answer 'who?' until we understand what we actually want to be.
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I would imagine the club would be desperate to go down to Brentford or Brighton and learn about how they so successfully run the club and recruit players.

Brighton consistently bring in players for peanuts and they do amazingly well for them both on the pitch and financially. They also dealt with Potter leaving extremely well. They were prepared for that possibility and already had a list of names of managers they appreciated. They didn't bring in the old names that have been around the block, but De Zerbi, who nobody knew of, but he obviously fits with their philosophy and it's gone amazingly well. Contrast all that to our preparation for Critchley leaving and the player recruitment that followed. Chalk and cheese.

That is why Brighton are punching well above their weight and we are getting relegated.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Why does the club need another layer of senior management

What does Mansford do?
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You can deffo argue he does a lot less now the TG is on holdish. As an administrator you could see him being able to bring all that together. As a football boss he appears totally useless.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave to save money in L1.

It needs a proper DoF type in there. I can't think of a name, probably someone in their 50s/60s who has managed, but someone who is in touch with the pitch and can carry influence/trust with SS.
 
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