Corners.

I've never understood why a professional footballer can’t clear the first man at a corner, l noticed it happened in the Wet Spam game yesterday but it seems to be a big problem for us especially as the big men have moved forward and taken up positions in the box. It used to happen with leather caseys and mould masters at school!
 
I may be wrong, but I think we've scored one (own goal) from a corner & none from a free kick.
In my younger days playing amateur football, at a decent level, I played with many players who could take better corners and free kicks than we currently are. Is it that we don't have a player with the natural ability, that is then coached to a high degree of skill?
We watch the ladies football on TV & there's plenty of players who take excellent set pieces.
You can win and lose games at set pieces and over a season it's an important skill to have.
 
Brett scores for fun said:
I may be wrong, but I think we've scored one (own goal) from a corner & none from a free kick.
In my younger days playing amateur football, at a decent level, I played with many players who could take better corners and free kicks than we currently are. Is it that we don't have a player with the natural ability, that is then coached to a high degree of skill?
We watch the ladies football on TV & there's plenty of players who take excellent set pieces.
You can win and lose games at set pieces and over a season it's an important skill to have.
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I used to score quite often taking a corner with a wicked swerve, especially when playing down wind!
 
Is it the case that fewer goals are scored from corners generally these days? Feels that way.

Is our delivery that bad? Garbutt and Wintle are both decent corner takers. Do we have players who can attack corners and win headers?

On the free kicks. Garbutts attempts at goal have not lived up to his reputation. The one on Saturday was terrible, knocking it to Madine, defender on him as he hit it. It's not Madine's strength anyway. Nobody can really strike a ball. Except Carey. Wasn't he in the pitch at the time? Did the senior players boss the situation? Needs sorting. I suspect Dale would be an option too, when he's playing.
 
Compare our poor delivery with that of Fleck for Sheffield United. Every corner he delivered was top quality and a threat
 
I agree about our corners.
Bearing in mind how thorough we are about most other aspects of the game this could, and should, be something we can improve.
We're not very good at throw-ins either.
 
In regards opposition corners why on earth do we not leave 1 up front with pace they would have to leave 2 back. Even be positive and leave 2 up that would really worry opposition and take pressure off us.
 
Tango1953 said:
No, you didn't.
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Wow tango do you know me and the standard that I played at - before I got old and my knees ache? No I thought not 🤣
I played with many players who had played in the old 1st division downwards (City, MU, Brighton, Wolves, Bury, Ipswich, Chester, Crewe, Wrexham etc) and a couple who played internationally.
It actually wouldn't take much for a player to take more productive set pieces than we currently do & if we add this to our performance, it will without question, gain us several points before the end of the season.
 
Brett scores for fun said:
Wow tango do you know me and the standard that I played at - before I got old and my knees ache? No I thought not 🤣
I played with many players who had played in the old 1st division downwards (City, MU, Brighton, Wolves, Bury, Ipswich, Chester, Crewe, Wrexham etc) and a couple who played internationally.
It actually wouldn't take much for a player to take more productive set pieces than we currently do & if we add this to our performance, it will without question, gain us several points before the end of the season.
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All against the backdrop of them taking those corners against players playing at amateur level, rather than prime Championship level players.

I bet Keogh would look like a dead ball expert at amateur level.
 
While I agree we could and perhaps should do better from corners, I think the reason so many corners don’t beat the first man, even in the prem, is that at the top levels, getting the ball to the middle of the goalmouth isn’t considered good enough; they’re trying to do it at a pace and trajectory that is wicked enough to cause top class centre backs a problem. To do that is a bit like putting a free kick in the top corner of the goal, I.e. much harder than it looks.
 
Tango1953 said:
All against the backdrop of them taking those corners against players playing at amateur level, rather than prime Championship level players.

I bet Keogh would look like a dead ball expert at amateur level.
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Your comment of 'no you didn't' was off the cuff and with no knowledge.
I didn't say any of my teammates took the set pieces, that was my job and for heaven's sake, striking a dead ball isn't difficult 🤣.
We've only scored 1 goal from a set piece and that was an own goal from a corner.
Even you must admit there's room for improvement and hopefully that will come this week against the giants of Joke City!
 
Going back years I can’t remember us ever being great at both attacking and especially defending set pieces? Charlie Adam obviously had a wand of a left foot but it also takes someone to attack the set piece and put it in the net which we do seem to lack, possibly because we’ve never had a particularly tall side?
 
No doubt there's room for improvement with the delivery. With that said, only 5% of corners lead to a goal, so I think people have a distorted view of how regularlywe should be scoring from them.

What I'm really contesting is the fact you played with better dead ball strikers than the current team has, which then turned out to be a way for you to declare your prowess.

Brett scores for fun said:
striking a dead ball isn't difficult
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Striking an effective dead ball is though, which is why it's such a prized attribute to have in a player, and also why it's so rare.
 
Brett scores for fun said:
Wow tango do you know me and the standard that I played at - before I got old and my knees ache? No I thought not 🤣
I played with many players who had played in the old 1st division downwards (City, MU, Brighton, Wolves, Bury, Ipswich, Chester, Crewe, Wrexham etc) and a couple who played internationally.
It actually wouldn't take much for a player to take more productive set pieces than we currently do & if we add this to our performance, it will without question, gain us several points before the end of the season.
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I've always said that if the corner wasn't working then just put the ball in one area and let the players sort out dealing with it.

Put the ball on the penalty spot and that's where it's going and the players sort out what happens next, on the TG obvs.

Dead ball has been very very poor this season.
 
Nuttalls Mint Toes said:
Agree Insider - love to see some of your stats which says how many times we've lost possession from a corner!
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I only copy the stats from elsewhere (Fotob) and I whilst I'm sure what you want will be available I don't know where.
BFC has analysts and I'd hazard a guess that Critchy is quite demanding in his requirements for data.
Personally I'd like my analyst to look at how goals are typically scored at corners (if there is a typical).
One very simple thing I think we should do is always have someone deep beyond the far post to attack the many over hit corners.
I seem to remember Kelvin Mellor liked to ghost in at the far post with a bit of success.
 
Was only saying to my dad at the PNE game about corners, and why players in this league struggle to loft a ball into the box consistently without it hitting the first man or being over hit. Find it odd when most can pick a longer pass. If you can't bend it in, loft it into the middle of the box where anything can happen.
 
Saw some stats on the effectiveness of corners taken (the stats and the corners) from the Prem and they're surprisingly weak including failing to clear the first man. Need to change the chant, 'oooo it's a corner' to 'meh it's a corner'
 
I seem to remember we scored more than a few corners in the Prem season, mixing it up between whipping it in and playing it deliberately to the near post for one of our players.
 
Tango1953 said:
No doubt there's room for improvement with the delivery. With that said, only 5% of corners lead to a goal, so I think people have a distorted view of how regularlywe should be scoring from them.

What I'm really contesting is the fact you played with better dead ball strikers than the current team has, which then turned out to be a way for you to declare your prowess.



Striking an effective dead ball is though, which is why it's such a prized attribute to have in a player, and also why it's so rare.
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The old adage is true with you - "never argue with a fool"; especially an insulting keyboard warrior. In response to my lighthearted comment, your 'prowess' comment is just pure petulance.
And I have played with at lest a couple of better strikers of a dead ball etc.
 
Insider said:
I only copy the stats from elsewhere (Fotob) and I whilst I'm sure what you want will be available I don't know where.
BFC has analysts and I'd hazard a guess that Critchy is quite demanding in his requirements for data.
Personally I'd like my analyst to look at how goals are typically scored at corners (if there is a typical).
One very simple thing I think we should do is always have someone deep beyond the far post to attack the many over hit corners.
I seem to remember Kelvin Mellor liked to ghost in at the far post with a bit of success.
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Re- your penultimate paragraph, Insider.

I remember Mr Mayhew at Grange Park 60 years ago😱 telling us that when we're taking a corner to always have somebody stood at the far/opposite corner of the penalty area primed and ready for the ball that evades everybody in the middle of the box!👍🙂
 
David Eyres and Charlie Adam the two best corner takers I've seen for us. I think once Carey is established he will be our go to set piece man.
 
Born_in_the_Fifties said:
Re- your penultimate paragraph, Insider.

I remember Mr Mayhew at Grange Park 60 years ago😱 telling us that when we're taking a corner to always have somebody stood at the far/opposite corner of the penalty area primed and ready for the ball that evades everybody in the middle of the box!👍🙂
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Tom Mayhew was a good man.
I know he lived to a ripe old age but I assume he has passed now.
He taught me how to use both feet by making me wear a boot on my non-dominant left foot and a pump on my right.
I was never a particularly good footballer but could always use both feet.
 
onlyonepool said:
David Eyres and Charlie Adam the two best corner takers I've seen for us. I think once Carey is established he will be our go to set piece man.
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Onlyonepool

I would have to say that the best deliverer from a dead ball situation that I have seen playing for the pool has to be Ian Marshall.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Onlyonepool

I would have to say that the best deliverer from a dead ball situation that I have seen playing for the pool has to be Ian Marshall.
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I really liked Ian Marshall and he put everything into his short stint with us and retired after lifting the LDV . I cant say I remember his set pieces too much, I seem to remember him as a real handful for opposing defenders. Another who could be brilliant on set pieces was Kevin Sheedy though way past his best when we got him.
 
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