Could we do a Plymouth
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Camberwell1
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No
PdxTangerine
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A lot is up in the air obviously but if we can keep players like Marv, Grimmy, Keshi, Thorniley, Lyons and a few others, sign a 20 goal striker with the incoming Jerry millions or keep Jerry and make a few other sensible signings I think we will at least finish top 6.
Top 2 will be tough but that's gotta be the goal. I'd give Dobbie a chance unless we have someone outstanding lined up which is doubtful.
Top 2 will be tough but that's gotta be the goal. I'd give Dobbie a chance unless we have someone outstanding lined up which is doubtful.
Wizaard
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Based on last season, the new man will come in and aim for 21st, forgetting its 4 down in League One.
voyeur
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And the new man will be Colin Hendry.
Pasty Muncher
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From the outside looking in it appeared that Lowe was the catalyst to Argyle's initial success. However, he was intransigent when things started going wrong. Never veered away from 5-3-2 even when Argyle were getting spunked 4 & 6 nil at home to Rochdale & Charlton; it was like rabbits in headlights. Lowe jumped ship before a run of games against the top 6 which Argyle lost.
Schumacher on the other hand changes tactics all the time born out by the fact that if you stopped all matches at half time Argyle would be 9th in the table !
If I were Sadler I'd give Dobbie the chance coz he knows the club inside out would be a popular choice with the players & there seems to be an improvement since he took over. There's a lot to be said for team spirit & how far it can get you. Argyle had a lower half budget compared to Ipswich spending £6M in January yet are still (just) above them.
But, why oh why did you lot have to get relegated ???There goes my traditional Cornish camping trip with my Seasider mate for the Home Park match
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Schumacher on the other hand changes tactics all the time born out by the fact that if you stopped all matches at half time Argyle would be 9th in the table !
If I were Sadler I'd give Dobbie the chance coz he knows the club inside out would be a popular choice with the players & there seems to be an improvement since he took over. There's a lot to be said for team spirit & how far it can get you. Argyle had a lower half budget compared to Ipswich spending £6M in January yet are still (just) above them.
But, why oh why did you lot have to get relegated ???There goes my traditional Cornish camping trip with my Seasider mate for the Home Park match
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Albert Ross
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With Lee Clarke as No2.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Maybe we could buy back Ryan Hardie and Callum Wright who were considered not good enough for us.
Oh dam their in the championship now.
Oh dam their in the championship now.
voyeur
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I don't think Hardie was particularly great tbh. He's a bit of an impact player really, speed merchant against tiring legs. He's not yet played in the Championship, a much tougher league. And crucially he's played in a thriving, well coached, confident side. Wright was not ready for the Championship. Clearly.Maybe we could buy back Ryan Hardie and Callum Wright who were considered not good enough for us.
Oh dam their in the championship now.
People think our players are all shit. They're not. They just need new management. We should have stayed up this season.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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Agree their not all shit but we’ve said all season we’ve got a bunch of league one players.
I still think many of our players will struggle next season I’m not saying they are shit but their still not good enough in league one.
mull
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Most of them are . Quite a few of them are the same players who got us promoted out of league one last time
North Pier
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zico_bamber
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Whenever I think of Plymouth, I think of Marino Keith. One of the best names ever to grace the game.
adamswonkyteeth
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They only just missed out on Play Offs last season and so were a strong League One side - might take a season for us to get our mojo back to be honest - don't expect instant results straight away.
thecatintheroof
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Plymouth's stats are impressive - 30 wins from 45 games - although interestingly their goals scored and conceded are poorer than other sides around them. Looks like confidence and maybe some fortune got them over the line?
Wee_Bob
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Their blueprint ..
Hallett says it all comes down to the focus of Argyle as a business, rather than as a football club.
"We've been very clear that we weren't going to compete by spending more, we were going to compete by being smarter about how we spent that money," he says.
"That's really where the increased revenue has gone over the last couple of years. It's gone in a really high-quality coaching team - let's not forget the team behind the first-team squad is really outstanding now.
"We've got a head of football data that we didn't have before. He's got a team working with him. Our recruitment is based on data and not gut feel.
"When I got involved, I said: 'I don't know anything about football, but I do know about decision-making.' That's been my thing for the last 25 years and the only thing I insist on here is we get more proficient on using data and analytics.
"There's no magic in data, it's just the basis for your decision-making. I think being much more process-oriented, more careful about how we make decisions here, has been part of the success.
"We've not spent more than most of the teams in League One, yet here we are at the top, so we have been smarter about how we've spent the money, and I think we can continue to do that in the Championship.
"To my mind the crazy amounts of money that people are prepared to lose for a shot at the Premier League suggests that there are clubs that are making decisions differently from us, so I think we'll be able to compete with them. That's always been the goal."
Hallett says it all comes down to the focus of Argyle as a business, rather than as a football club.
"We've been very clear that we weren't going to compete by spending more, we were going to compete by being smarter about how we spent that money," he says.
"That's really where the increased revenue has gone over the last couple of years. It's gone in a really high-quality coaching team - let's not forget the team behind the first-team squad is really outstanding now.
"We've got a head of football data that we didn't have before. He's got a team working with him. Our recruitment is based on data and not gut feel.
"When I got involved, I said: 'I don't know anything about football, but I do know about decision-making.' That's been my thing for the last 25 years and the only thing I insist on here is we get more proficient on using data and analytics.
"There's no magic in data, it's just the basis for your decision-making. I think being much more process-oriented, more careful about how we make decisions here, has been part of the success.
"We've not spent more than most of the teams in League One, yet here we are at the top, so we have been smarter about how we've spent the money, and I think we can continue to do that in the Championship.
"To my mind the crazy amounts of money that people are prepared to lose for a shot at the Premier League suggests that there are clubs that are making decisions differently from us, so I think we'll be able to compete with them. That's always been the goal."
Will be interesting to see how they do in the championship, it does seem they have good people working for them
The Catcher in the Rye
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Disappointed to be missing out on a trip to Plymouth, been on my list to do! Always had a bit of a soft spot for them, wish them well next season especially against the Knobbers!
voyeur
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Plymouth this season didn't come off the back of a relegation and the loss of several board members etc. But you never know. We have a core of a good L1 squad and we will have a budget in the top 8 or so clubs, I'd imagine. Maybe not, if Sadler has to trim stuff to cope with the loss of 7m revenue..
Schuhmacher has done a superb job. He had a good base to start from, when Lowe left, and to continue to build on. But he is only 39, having started coaching about 6 years ago. He was with Lowe when they took Bury to Champions of L2 in turbulent times, and followed him to Plymouth, but not to PKE. Wise move. I spent this season expecting Plymouth to fall away but that didn't happen one bit. He's another example of a young coach coming in and outperforming the older guys. Plenty of examples of young head coaches excelling in their first jobs - Rosenior, Evatt, Critchley, McKenna (Ipswich). And others performing well like Liam Manning, David Artell, Matt Gray (Sutton).
It makes a lot of sense to go for a young coach with energy and application who has some decent coaching experience and has the badges. Dobbie ticks the boxes pretty well and has the advantage of knowing us and the players and being settled in the area. Wellens is the only other name mentioned so far that i would seriously consider, based on what i know, which isn't enough. People are paid good money to know more.
NewburyOne
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A large part of their success has been due to an astute manager/coach, some very good loans and a clear recruitment policy that has allowed them to play the way Schumacher wants.
The fact that Hardie and Wright, 2 players who were very average for us, have been important players for them suggests a couple of things. L1 is poor or we failed to get the best out of them. I suspect the truth is somewhere in between.
For us to replicate their achievements, we need to find a manager the vast majority of fans are behind, recruit well and to a specific style of play, hold on to our key players and for all of that to gel quickly to allow a fast start.
I'm hopeful we can do well but we have never been the sort of club to show consistency over a full season. It's just not the way we roll unfortunately.
The fact that Hardie and Wright, 2 players who were very average for us, have been important players for them suggests a couple of things. L1 is poor or we failed to get the best out of them. I suspect the truth is somewhere in between.
For us to replicate their achievements, we need to find a manager the vast majority of fans are behind, recruit well and to a specific style of play, hold on to our key players and for all of that to gel quickly to allow a fast start.
I'm hopeful we can do well but we have never been the sort of club to show consistency over a full season. It's just not the way we roll unfortunately.
BigHandsOliverKahn
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Brentford went down the data route. However, all their data got backed up by an owner willing to gamble a lot of money at it too.
Unfortunately, processes and data alone will only go so far and eventually your data will turn around and show you how you've not made the right decisions and are heading back down the leagues.
The data won't reveal anything about your head coach suddenly leaving for more money or if backroom staff decide to leave or reveal team line ups in pubs prior to matches.
The higher up you go, money will eventually talk.
Unfortunately, processes and data alone will only go so far and eventually your data will turn around and show you how you've not made the right decisions and are heading back down the leagues.
The data won't reveal anything about your head coach suddenly leaving for more money or if backroom staff decide to leave or reveal team line ups in pubs prior to matches.
The higher up you go, money will eventually talk.
voyeur
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Hardie doesn't always start, he is often used from the bench. He wasn't ready for us when he arrived and he may not be ready for the Championship either. It's a much tougher place than L1. Likewise Callum Wright. He left Leicester to get football but it was apparent early on that he wasn't physically ready. However tough people think L1 is, we should remember the shock we had in the first few games of the Champiosnhip, when we were getting bullied off the pitch in games having strolled the second half of the L1 promotion season.A large part of their success has been due to an astute manager/coach, some very good loans and a clear recruitment policy that has allowed them to play the way Schumacher wants.
The fact that Hardie and Wright, 2 players who were very average for us, have been important players for them suggests a couple of things. L1 is poor or we failed to get the best out of them. I suspect the truth is somewhere in between.
For us to replicate their achievements, we need to find a manager the vast majority of fans are behind, recruit well and to a specific style of play, hold on to our key players and for all of that to gel quickly to allow a fast start.
I'm hopeful we can do well but we have never been the sort of club to show consistency over a full season. It's just not the way we roll unfortunately.
NewburyOne
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Oh I agree, the Championship is a beast. L1 has some awful teams but normally has 4 or 5 very competitive sides. The point still remains, Hardie and Wright have done well for Plymouth, I suspect both will struggle in the Championship. I'd rather have Lavery than Hardie, I'd rather have Trybull than Wright, for instance. But to win a league it takes more than just a good side, everything needs to be aligned off the pitch in terms or coaching, team spirit and not forgetting a bit more luck with injuries and decisions than we have this term.
voyeur
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Absolutely.
Spoonerfudj
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Over a hundred points, winning 31 games; to answer the original question, I doubt it.
The three clubs relegated from the Championship last year all had a chance of the playoffs on the last game of this season. Can't see us emulating them either, I'm afraid.
The three clubs relegated from the Championship last year all had a chance of the playoffs on the last game of this season. Can't see us emulating them either, I'm afraid.
TangerineBayern
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Well done Pasty Muncher on winning the league which l think you’ve topped most of the season, takes some doing thatFrom the outside looking in it appeared that Lowe was the catalyst to Argyle's initial success. However, he was intransigent when things started going wrong. Never veered away from 5-3-2 even when Argyle were getting spunked 4 & 6 nil at home to Rochdale & Charlton; it was like rabbits in headlights. Lowe jumped ship before a run of games against the top 6 which Argyle lost.
Schumacher on the other hand changes tactics all the time born out by the fact that if you stopped all matches at half time Argyle would be 9th in the table !
If I were Sadler I'd give Dobbie the chance coz he knows the club inside out would be a popular choice with the players & there seems to be an improvement since he took over. There's a lot to be said for team spirit & how far it can get you. Argyle had a lower half budget compared to Ipswich spending £6M in January yet are still (just) above them.
But, why oh why did you lot have to get relegated ???There goes my traditional Cornish camping trip with my Seasider mate for the Home Park match
Pasty Muncher
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Cheers for that. Happy days , very unArgyle like to go up as Champions with relative 'ease'.Well done Pasty Muncher on winning the league which l think you’ve topped most of the season, takes some doing that
The top of League 1 is mad , for Wednesday not to get automatics on 96 points is mental. There is a vast gap with the top 6/7 compared with rest of league which probably explains the massive points total at the top.
Hardie has dropped off in recent weeks but Callum Wright is going from strength to strength & is going to be some player. I can't believe you lot sold him instead of loaning him out. I'm not complaining though
I'm just a bit pissed that you lot got relegated robbing me of my traditional camping trip in Cornwall with a Seasider mate.
TangerineBayern
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Callum Wright unfortunately signed during a toxic period with Appleton in charge and was l believe a last minute panic buy on the last day of the transfer window. Not sure he was ready for championship football at the time as he was thrust straight in to the first team due to our injury problems that never improved all season long, but seems to be doing the business for you so be interesting to see if he copes 2nd time round next season.Cheers for that. Happy days , very unArgyle like to go up as Champions with relative 'ease'.
The top of League 1 is mad , for Wednesday not to get automatics on 96 points is mental. There is a vast gap with the top 6/7 compared with rest of league which probably explains the massive points total at the top.
Hardie has dropped off in recent weeks but Callum Wright is going from strength to strength & is going to be some player. I can't believe you lot sold him instead of loaning him out. I'm not complaining though
I'm just a bit pissed that you lot got relegated robbing me of my traditional camping trip in Cornwall with a Seasider mate.
hertfordseasider
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That sounds horrendous, cold and emotionless and it’s why we were trying to do, only badly. If they continue with that model they’ll be coming back down pdq.
In addition to which - and as everyone knows - we don't do automatic promotion at Blackpool, it's play-offs or nowt where we're concerned.