COVID and Masks.

[Curryman]

I travelled by train yesterday, as usual for a 3 pm kick-off, and the train was surprisingly busy in both directions.

The number of people who were not wearing masks was a worry if indeed it helps prevent the spread of the disease.
I would estimate that a good 50% of those travelling were not wearing a mask, a mixture of ages but more younger people than oldies. A case in point was the two women sitting opposite me, the older one did not have a mask on and her companion who was the younger of the two had a mask around her chin! The other two at the table, a far eastern woman had a mask on and an older bloke was also masked. In the next seats were two youngsters (mid-twenties) who were not wearing masks.

Going home was even worse, quite a lot of young people who had obviously been enjoying the joys of getting wet through in Blackpool along with wetting their insides with copious amounts of alcohol were not wearing any masks, I counted four, plus myself in our section wearing them and twenty not, and yes I know that is more than 50%.

If we head for another lockdown, these people will probably be the first to moan about their human rights and no doubt blame the government for the increase, when in fact it is they who have had a hand in the spread of the infection.

Rant over.

 

[Adams Kebab]

What an exciting train journey counting mask wearing.

I can’t believe young people had been enjoying themselves too. How dare they.

 

[Lost Seasider]

If we head for another lockdown, these people will probably be the first to moan about their human rights and no doubt blame the government for the increase, when in fact it is they who have had a hand in the spread of the infection

This is worth repeating, would you rather wear a mask now, or have a full lockdown in a month's time?

 

[Adams Kebab]

This is worth repeating, would you rather wear a mask now, or have a full lockdown in a month's time?

This is worth repeating.

Scotland, Wales, Germany (strict mask mandate) all had masks and they’ve done nothing to stop the virus.

Lockdowns should never ever be threat and they should never be used again and if they are or as you like to use it to threaten, what was the point of the vaccine?!

 

[Lost Seasider]

This is worth repeating.

Scotland, Wales, Germany (strict mask mandate) all had masks and they’ve done nothing to stop the virus.

How do you know?

Lockdowns should never ever be threat and they should never be used again and if they are or as you like to use it to threaten, what was the point of the vaccine?!

It's not a threat, it's simply reality, and the vaccine has kept us out of lockdown so far, but there are no guarantees going forward.

 

[Adams Kebab]

How do you know?




It's not a threat, it's simply reality, and the vaccine has kept us out of lockdown so far, but there are no guarantees going forward.

Truth is I don’t? Just as you don’t. The mask scenario is pure theatre.

What’s the difference between mask wearing in retail but not in hospitality venues? Does Covid not like shoppers? Or have they sussed that we’ve sussed that its completely and utterly pointless to wear one when you stand up in these places.

Lockdowns should never be a simple reality & should never return. If you’re happy to hop in and out of them then just do your own. Let everyone else who wants to as they are afraid of a virus do their own as well and people who want to can live their lives as normal.

 

[Curryman]

What an exciting train journey counting mask wearing.

I can’t believe young people had been enjoying themselves too. How dare they.

The sort of childish reaction I expected. I had been out as well, enjoying a few drinks and, allegedly, enjoying the football, but I still wore a mask as required under the present restrictions on the train. As for the enjoyment of counting masks, it's better than having to shift the unmasked drunk from my shoulder who joined the train at Preston.

 

[Adams Kebab]

The sort of childish reaction I expected. I had been out as well, enjoying a few drinks and, allegedly, enjoying the football, but I still wore a mask as required under the present restrictions on the train. As for the enjoyment of counting masks, it's better than having to shift the unmasked drunk from my shoulder who joined the train at Preston.

Here’s one for you then.

What’s the difference between wearing a mask on a train and not wearing one when you had been enjoying a few drinks?

There’s no logic or science to it because… there is none.

Be interested to know though why you think you need to on a train but not in a pub?

 

[Lost Seasider]

What’s the difference between mask wearing in retail but not in hospitality venues? Does Covid not like shoppers? Or have they sussed that we’ve sussed that its completely and utterly pointless to wear one when you stand up in these places.

The difference is that if you're vulnerable or concerned about Covid you can choose to avoid pubs and clubs, doing without food is slightly more difficult.

 

[Matesrates]

This is worth repeating, would you rather wear a mask now, or have a full lockdown in a month's time?

Absolutely, it’s not a major problem wearing a mask in shops and on public transport.

 

[Adams Kebab]

The difference is that if you're vulnerable or concerned about Covid you can choose to avoid pubs and clubs, doing without food is slightly more difficult.

Good shout. If we applied the same to everything that would make sense.

If you’re concerned about Covid you can wear a mask in places you need to go and avoid certain places you don’t think are safe or make you uneasy.

The people who aren’t concerned about Covid could just do everything they wanted to as well without having to mask up.

Glad we’ve sorted it between us. Good work

 

[Mexboroseasider]

Surely if you’re concerned about catching or spreading Covid you shouldn’t be travelling on trains or attending football matches at all. Whether you wear as mask or not is sort of missing the point really.

I think I’ll start a thread “Are people travelling on trains to attend football matches selfish?”

 

[Lost Seasider]

Surely if you’re concerned about catching or spreading Covid you shouldn’t be travelling on trains or attending football matches at all. Whether you wear as mask or not is sort of missing the point really.

Some people need to go to work.

 

[Lost Seasider]

Good shout. If we applied the same to everything that would make sense.

If you’re concerned about Covid you can wear a mask in places you need to go and avoid certain places you don’t think are safe or make you uneasy.

The people who aren’t concerned about Covid could just do everything they wanted to as well without having to mask up.

Glad we’ve sorted it between us. Good work

Only problem is that the primary benefit of masks is stopping onward transmission by infected people, so a situation where those most likely to be infected are wandering around without a mask presents some obvious difficulties.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

Some people need to go to work.

I know. That’s why I referred to attendance at football matches.

 

[glasshalffull]

Truth is I don’t? Just as you don’t.

You are right. You don’t know. Yet you have been spouting angrily on here, and no doubt everywhere else you frequent, for months as if you do know?

And how do you know that your “advice” will not, if it hasn’t already done so, help lead to the death or serious illness of some poor soul who actually listens to it?

 

[Matesrates]

Surely if you’re concerned about catching or spreading Covid you shouldn’t be travelling on trains or attending football matches at all. Whether you wear as mask or not is sort of missing the point really.

I think I’ll start a thread “Are people travelling on trains to attend football matches selfish?”

I don’t think that’s the point at all Mex, you’re suggesting that all vulnerable people, plus probably millions of others who are concerned about covid for various reas; age for example, should just stay at home and let all the anti vaxxers/maskers enjoy everything they can’t.

 

[Seasider3610]

This is worth repeating.

Scotland, Wales, Germany (strict mask mandate) all had masks and they’ve done nothing to stop the virus.

Lockdowns should never ever be threat and they should never be used again and if they are or as you like to use it to threaten, what was the point of the vaccine?!

Germany has a low vaccination total. Only around 50/60% so I’m not sure that is a good example.

If half the country don’t want to get the vaccine they won’t bother with masks either.

 

[Shandypants]

Germany has a low vaccination total. Only around 50/60% so I’m not sure that is a good example.

If half the country don’t want to get the vaccine they won’t bother with masks either.

Low vaccination rate? 68.9% of Germany is fully vaccinated compared to our world beating 69.2%. Clearly a humongous difference, the Germans eh....

 

[GaryOrrell]

Here’s one for you then.

What’s the difference between wearing a mask on a train and not wearing one when you had been enjoying a few drinks?

There’s no logic or science to it because… there is none.

Be interested to know though why you think you need to on a train but not in a pub?

Because it's the law as from last Tuesday!

 

[Mexboroseasider]

I don’t think that’s the point at all Mex, you’re suggesting that all vulnerable people, plus probably millions of others who are concerned about covid for various reas; age for example, should just stay at home and let all the anti vaxxers/maskers enjoy everything they can’t.

I’m not suggesting that at all.

What I’m saying is that some people who wear a mask (which is only complying with the law after all) seem to be claiming some sort of moral high ground for doing so. However if they were really serious about not potentially spreading the virus then they should consider staying at home instead of travelling on trains and attending footy matches.

 

[gjr69]

This is worth repeating, would you rather wear a mask now, or have a full lockdown in a month's time?

Doing one has little or no effect on the other, a mask prevents moisture droplets, as per the government adverts covid is spread through the air in gas form which is why they tell you to ventilate rooms.
If your mask was airtight you would struggle to breathe, obviously!!
A 100,000,000 million particles of covid fit on a pin head, those light blue masks are not going to prevent the majority of those particles from being exhaled by a person.
Freedom of choice should be the way we deal with most of this, although it looks like an experiment in control and coercion to me to a large extent.

 

[Scaramanga]

I’m not suggesting that at all.

What I’m saying is that some people who wear a mask (which is only complying with the law after all) seem to be claiming some sort of moral high ground for doing so. However if they were really serious about not potentially spreading the virus then they should consider staying at home instead of travelling on trains and attending footy matches.

You and I never agree on anything, but I totally agree with you here.

 

[Adams Kebab]

You are right. You don’t know. Yet you have been spouting angrily on here, and no doubt everywhere else you frequent, for months as if you do know?

And how do you know that your “advice” will not, if it hasn’t already done so, help lead to the death or serious illness of some poor soul who actually listens to it?

Jesus, I’ve heard it all now.

Get down off that virtue signalling podium and listen to yourself. Embarrassing.

 

[Adams Kebab]

Because it's the law as from last Tuesday!

That’s not the answer to the question is it.

What’s the benefit to wearing it on a train but not in a pub? Show us the science.

 

[Adams Kebab]

Only problem is that the primary benefit of masks is stopping onward transmission by infected people, so a situation where those most likely to be infected are wandering around without a mask presents some obvious difficulties.

I’ll make this point again. If you aren’t well especially if this is virus is so bad, surely you would be at home.

You can’t just wear a mask all the time even if there’s nothing wrong with you? All the time?!

Oh god yeh, you might not know you have it

 

[SEASIDE2020]

The difference is that if you're vulnerable or concerned about Covid you can choose to avoid pubs and clubs, doing without food is slightly more difficult.

Fair point.

I'm not convinced about the effectiveness of masks and I don't like wearing one but I'd wear one where required and as you suggest all those travelling on a train are entitled to travel alongside folk who are complying.

 

[gjr69]

Fair point.

I'm not convinced about the effectiveness of masks and I don't like wearing one but I'd wear one where required and as you suggest all those travelling on a train are entitled to travel alongside folk who are complying.

If you really needed to wear one because the health of you and others depended on it then the staff in all the shops would be wearing them through choice irrespective of the law.
From what I've seen most of them aren't so that tells me a lot.

 

[Seasider3610]

Low vaccination rate? 68.9% of Germany is fully vaccinated compared to our world beating 69.2%. Clearly a humongous difference, the Germans eh....

Shandy you are correct.

 

[SEASIDE2020]

If you really needed to wear one because the health of you and others depended on it then the staff in all the shops would be wearing them through choice irrespective of the law.
From what I've seen most of them aren't so that tells me a lot.

gj

You are not going to get any argument with me re the whole mask thing, as you say just have a look round and you can soon see exactly how important they are.

That wasn't my point though, the Government has decided that all folk - forget exemptions for now - should wear a mask in certain public places.

I think that regardless of what any of us think regarding the effectiveness of face masks, the general public are entitled to the protection that they have been afforded by the Government.

I think the o/p provides a good example of how they are not being afforded such protection, I'd have worn a mask if I'd have been travelling on that train despite my views on their effectiveness.

 

[SEASIDE2020]

I’m not suggesting that at all.

What I’m saying is that some people who wear a mask (which is only complying with the law after all) seem to be claiming some sort of moral high ground for doing so. However if they were really serious about not potentially spreading the virus then they should consider staying at home instead of travelling on trains and attending footy matches.

I do think that people should be afforded the level of protection that the Government has afforded them but that's a fair point Mex.

 

[poolseasider]

Low vaccination rate? 68.9% of Germany is fully vaccinated compared to our world beating 69.2%. Clearly a humongous difference, the Germans eh....

You have also to take into consideration we where a lot later to start Vaccinating children so if you go for the over 40's the figures they are well over 75% of the population.

 

[gjr69]

gj

You are not going to get any argument with me re the whole mask thing, as you say just have a look round and you can soon see exactly how important they are.

That wasn't my point though, the Government has decided that all folk - forget exemptions for now - should wear a mask in certain public places.

I think that regardless of what any of us think regarding the effectiveness of face masks, the general public are entitled to the protection that they have been afforded by the Government.

I think the o/p provides a good example of how they are not being afforded such protection, I'd have worn a mask if I'd have been travelling on that train despite my views on their effectiveness.

I have mixed views on the wearing of the masks for the benefits of others, which I think is the point you are making 2020.
I have to enter a health centre for work purposes on a daily basis and I always wear it there, in fact I think there is a good case for that being normal practice in the future. It makes sense.
But in other settings I think it is an exercise in coercion and compliance and I don't want to take part, but certainly don't want to stop anyone else from wearing one if they want to.

 

[tangerine.com]

I travelled by train yesterday, as usual for a 3 pm kick-off, and the train was surprisingly busy in both directions.

The number of people who were not wearing masks was a worry if indeed it helps prevent the spread of the disease.
I would estimate that a good 50% of those travelling were not wearing a mask, a mixture of ages but more younger people than oldies. A case in point was the two women sitting opposite me, the older one did not have a mask on and her companion who was the younger of the two had a mask around her chin! The other two at the table, a far eastern woman had a mask on and an older bloke was also masked. In the next seats were two youngsters (mid-twenties) who were not wearing masks.

Going home was even worse, quite a lot of young people who had obviously been enjoying the joys of getting wet through in Blackpool along with wetting their insides with copious amounts of alcohol were not wearing any masks, I counted four, plus myself in our section wearing them and twenty not, and yes I know that is more than 50%.

If we head for another lockdown, these people will probably be the first to moan about their human rights and no doubt blame the government for the increase, when in fact it is they who have had a hand in the spread of the infection.

Rant over.

I walked into a store and had to walk straight back out to the car because I forgot about mask wearing

 

[Lost Seasider]

Fair point.

I'm not convinced about the effectiveness of masks and I don't like wearing one but I'd wear one where required and as you suggest all those travelling on a train are entitled to travel alongside folk who are complying.

Pretty much where I am, I'm not convinced, but if the CMO says it's a good idea then I'm happy to comply if there's little to no cost to me.

Personally I suspect the effect is maybe around 10%, so marginal at best, but decisions are made on the margins so if that 10% is the difference between 19,000 and 21,000 patients in hospital then maybe that's the difference between lockdown or not.

 

[SEASIDE2020]

I have mixed views on the wearing of the masks for the benefits of others, which I think is the point you are making 2020.
I have to enter a health centre for work purposes on a daily basis and I always wear it there, in fact I think there is a good case for that being normal practice in the future. It makes sense.
But in other settings I think it is an exercise in coercion and compliance and I don't want to take part, but certainly don't want to stop anyone else from wearing one if they want to.

gj

Your views on masks are exactly that, I don't have any problem with them and wasn't trying to make any point about your own views.

I'd imagine your views on them are very similar to my own but my point was just that I feel that regardless of our own views on masks, the general public, in this case Curryman, but there will be plenty of others, should be afforded the level of protection afforded to them by the Government.

Personally, I'd wear a mask when travelling on a train despite not liking them and having doubts about their effectiveness just out of respect for the others.

It would appear that you wouldn't and while I couldn't really give a chite whether you wear one or not, I can see why others might not be too happy about that.

 

[Matesrates]

I’m not suggesting that at all.

What I’m saying is that some people who wear a mask (which is only complying with the law after all) seem to be claiming some sort of moral high ground for doing so. However if they were really serious about not potentially spreading the virus then they should consider staying at home instead of travelling on trains and attending footy matches.

I rest my case, you just agreed with me, if you don’t like it go somewhere else.

 

[gjr69]

gj

Your views on masks are exactly that, I don't have any problem with them and wasn't trying to make any point about your own views.

I'd imagine your views on them are very similar to my own but my point was just that I feel that regardless of our own views on masks, the general public, in this case Curryman, but there will be plenty of others, should be afforded the level of protection afforded to them by the Government.

Personally, I'd wear a mask when travelling on a train despite not liking them and having doubts about their effectiveness just out of respect for the others.

It would appear that you wouldn't and while I couldn't really give a chite whether you wear one or not, I can see why others might not be too happy about that.

On a train in a confined area where I might be sat next to somebody who thinks it helps or rigidly follows government mandates and gets angry or annoyed by those that don't, I would wear a mask.
If the carriage was empty or so sparsely populated that I am nowhere near anyone I wouldn't.
In a cavernous, warehouse like supermarket where the staff arent wearing them and I can keep my distance from people I don't.
It's not that I don't give a shit about people, I probably give more shits about others than many people do, but I do have an inbuilt tendency to question orders from above unless I can see obvious sense to it.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

That’s not the answer to the question is it.

What’s the benefit to wearing it on a train but not in a pub? Show us the science.

In fairness, there doesn’t have to be a benefit to wearing one on a train vs a pub. It’s more about practicality than effectiveness.

They’re just trying to put in place policy that is easy for people to implement in order to gain small margins of benefit where practical.

I’m not sure why people get so arsed about it either way really…. Personally I couldn’t give a shit what anyone else does with or without a mask.

Masks most likely help to stop some infections, Vaccines have been overwhelmingly successful at stopping infection and death from Covid… I’m sure other stuff (like hand washing, distancing, ventilation etc..) also has an impact…

What does worry me (way more than Covid) is the large numbers of young men in particular, who seem to have been sucked in by online propaganda…. It’s almost like the internet has created a whole new ‘alternative’ reality that lives in the minds of (mainly) poorly educated young men ….. weirdest thing I’ve ever experienced in my lifetime…

 

[SEASIDE2020]

On a train in a confined area where I might be sat next to somebody who thinks it helps or rigidly follows government mandates and gets angry or annoyed by those that don't, I would wear a mask.
If the carriage was empty or so sparsely populated that I am nowhere near anyone I wouldn't.
In a cavernous, warehouse like supermarket where the staff arent wearing them and I can keep my distance from people I don't.
It's not that I don't give a shit about people, I probably give more shits about others than many people do, but I do have an inbuilt tendency to question orders from above unless I can see obvious sense to it.

gj

Fair enough and we're probably overdoing it now.

I'm questioning the order in that I think the whole mask thing is a load of b0110x but I feel I should respect the views of others.

I'm not looking for a hero of the year award and certainly not suggesting that you don't give a chite about anybody else.

I'd imagines our views on the issues around Covid are fairly similar.

 

[Adams Kebab]

In fairness, there doesn’t have to be a benefit to wearing one on a train vs a pub. It’s more about practicality than effectiveness.

They’re just trying to put in place policy that is easy for people to implement in order to gain small margins of benefit where practical.

I’m not sure why people get so arsed about it either way really…. Personally I couldn’t give a shit what anyone else does with or without a mask.

Masks most likely help to stop some infections, Vaccines have been overwhelmingly successful at stopping infection and death from Covid… I’m sure other stuff (like hand washing, distancing, ventilation etc..) also has an impact…

What does worry me (way more than Covid) is the large numbers of young men in particular, who seem to have been sucked in by online propaganda…. It’s almost like the internet has created a whole new ‘alternative’ reality that lives in the minds of (mainly) poorly educated young men ….. weirdest thing I’ve ever experienced in my lifetime…

I’m not arsed what people do, I just like to challenge these virtue signalling whoppers who like to tell everyone what a hero they are for wearing a mask on a train or booking booster number 45.

In relation to online propaganda, I think it goes both ways. We’ve still got people who think this virus is deadly to everyone including children and then you’ve got people who think Bill Gates has microchipped them and watching their every move.

The reality for me is, I just want to crack on like February 2020 where everybody assessed their own risks in life and lived it accordingly.

This Nanny state that’s been created and the bunch of little Norris’s criticising young people for being maskless or not wanting a jab is painful as fook.

 

[SEASIDE2020]

In fairness, there doesn’t have to be a benefit to wearing one on a train vs a pub. It’s more about practicality than effectiveness.

They’re just trying to put in place policy that is easy for people to implement in order to gain small margins of benefit where practical.

I’m not sure why people get so arsed about it either way really…. Personally I couldn’t give a shit what anyone else does with or without a mask.

Masks most likely help to stop some infections, Vaccines have been overwhelmingly successful at stopping infection and death from Covid… I’m sure other stuff (like hand washing, distancing, ventilation etc..) also has an impact…

What does worry me (way more than Covid) is the large numbers of young men in particular, who seem to have been sucked in by online propaganda…. It’s almost like the internet has created a whole new ‘alternative’ reality that lives in the minds of (mainly) poorly educated young men ….. weirdest thing I’ve ever experienced in my lifetime…

Can you explain what you mean re the last paragraph ?

No problem, just wondering what it is that the young men who have been sucked in by the propaganda are doing ?

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Can you explain what you mean re the last paragraph ?

No problem, just wondering what it is that the young men who have been sucked in by the propaganda are doing ?

I’m talking about the nonsense you hear about vaccines changing your DNA or that there’s some international conspiracy to reduce the population etc…

I got taken home by a taxi driver last week (aged around 25-30) and had to listen to him dribbling utter shyte for 20 minutes…. I’ve heard the same from others in general conversation etc..

It’s almost a caveman like mentality towards something…. You’d think we’d never gone through years of medical advancement to witness such backward thinking really…I struggle to grasp it.

No issue with people choosing not to have the vaccine because they are afraid of complications, because they consider that Covid doesn’t pose a risk due to their age / health profile or just because they don’t want to etc.. but to do so out of total backward thinking (essentially being sucked in by mumbo jumbo) is just odd….

 

[glasshalffull]

Jesus, I’ve heard it all now.

Get down off that virtue signalling podium and listen to yourself. Embarrassing.

OK sorry AK that was an unprovoked attack. Lost a very good friend to covid recently, and am still very touchy about it. Bang out of order, sorry!

 

[Adams Kebab]

OK sorry AK that was an unprovoked attack. Lost a very good friend to covid recently, and am still very touchy about it. Bang out of order, sorry!

You don’t have to say sorry, it’s only a message board.

Condolences for your loss and hope you’re ok

 

[Mexboroseasider]

I rest my case, you just agreed with me, if you don’t like it go somewhere else.

How did I agree with you? I’m saying something completely different to what you’ve accused me of saying.

 

[Matesrates]

How did I agree with you? I’m saying something completely different to what you’ve accused me of saying.

You said, if people are concerned, sta at home. So really, discriminating against those who want to wear masks, get vaccinated and generally follow the rules.

 

[glasshalffull]

You don’t have to say sorry, it’s only a message board.

Condolences for your loss and hope you’re ok

I know, but I don’t normally go about accusing people of murder (oops sorry again), even if it is only on an anonymous, obscure, football message board politics subsection!

Thanks for your condolences, and I am OK thanks, probably just need to stay off the covid threads. This is the first person I have actually known who has died of it. She was the wife of a mate who I have played football with for years. A very likeable lady, not very old, no underlying health issues and double jabbed. Let’s hope we are coming to the end of this!

 

[Mexboroseasider]

You said, if people are concerned, sta at home. So really, discriminating against those who want to wear masks, get vaccinated and generally follow the rules.

No. The point I was making was about people virtue signalling because they were simply complying with the law by wearing a mask.

And I then made the point that if they were genuinely concerned about stopping the spread of the virus then they’d stay at home rather than attend a footy match.

FYI I’ve had all three jabs and wear a mask where legally required even though I regard it as a waste of time and probably complete BS. What I don’t do is then claim some sort of moral high ground over people who’ve made different choices about vaccination and mask wearing.

We’ve been here before at the start of the pandemic when people walking down the prom or in parks were described as selfish, idiots or even scum. And then a few weeks later the people who’d been hurling the insults were mask less and “eating out to help out” whilst congratulating themselves for doing their bit to save the economy.

Rinse and repeat.

 

[Matesrates]

No. The point I was making was about people virtue signalling because they were simply complying with the law by wearing a mask.

And I then made the point that if they were genuinely concerned about stopping the spread of the virus then they’d stay at home rather than attend a footy match.

FYI I’ve had all three jabs and wear a mask where legally required even though I regard it as a waste of time and probably complete BS. What I don’t do is then claim some sort of moral high ground over people who’ve made different choices about vaccination and mask wearing.

We’ve been here before at the start of the pandemic when people walking down the prom or in parks were described as selfish, idiots or even scum. And then a few weeks later the people who’d been hurling the insults were mask less and “eating out to help out” whilst congratulating themselves for doing their bit to save the economy.

Rinse and repeat.

I agree that the current rules are ridiculous, having to wear a mask sitting on a train, but not in a pub is stupid. I thought the first time around that you walk in, 10/15 feet later, not having come close to anyone, you then sit down next to a table with other people you don’t know for an hour or more without a mask. So my view is that the current rules are not fit for purpose.