Critch part 2

No chance of Critch ever being the Manager at Villa, they didn’t even offer him the Caretaker role when Gerrard was sacked. Ultimately Critch was a very poor replacement at Villa for Michael Beale and that is what cost Gerrard his job at Villa. It will be interesting to see if Gerrard comes back for Critch when he gets his next job, I don’t think he will. Yes I agree QPR was a difficult job but I expected Critch to do a lot better and on a scale of 1 to 10, he struggles to get more than a 1 for me. You say QPR is a basket case when there is no bigger basket case than Blackpool at this point in time.
I think you’re overthinking Crichleys roll at Villa. So the decision to replace MB with NC is where it all went wrong? I think that says more about Gerrard than anything. Further to that Gary McAllister was Gerrards assistant, NC was just a glorified coach.
 
Firstly... I haven't suggested that Critch should be appointed as Manager of Blackpool FC (so let's just get that clear, before you go on to misquote me, like you have with regard to McCarthy)... What I have said, however is that from a personal point of view that I wouldn't have a problem with the appointment of Critchley.

I actually see his so called 'Stock' having fallen as a result of his boss failing and then him being sacked after 70 Days from Club that is clearly all over the show as an advantage. I suspect it will have an impact on his choices moving forward and influence him to value the security of life at a supportive Club like ours.
Let’s not be pedantic, get off the fence, do you want Critchley or not? I don’t want Critchley and I have given you my reasons. You always seem to have an excuse for failure if it suits your case, there is no bigger basket case than Blackpool at the moment and Critch isn’t the man to turn the current situation around. I have major doubts regarding Critch as a Manager and I think he should seek an Assistant role where he spends all of his time coaching and developing players at the highest level. If Gerrard or Liverpool don‘t come calling soon then he should seek an Assistant or 1st team coaching role with a Premier League club.
 
I think you’re overthinking Crichleys roll at Villa. So the decision to replace MB with NC is where it all went wrong? I think that says more about Gerrard than anything. Further to that Gary McAllister was Gerrards assistant, NC was just a glorified coach.
Critch was brought in to replace Michael Beale and on paper it was the perfect role for Critch as he was spending all of his time coaching and developing the players on the Training Ground. What was revealed later from some of the Villa players was how important Michael Beale was, I am not saying he ran the show but they said he did and it was Beale who gave the team talks and did all the match preparation. If Gerrard had been sacked at Villa whilst Beale had still been there, do you think Beale would have been sacked as well, I don’t but Critch was sacked at the same time as Gerrard. Why didn’t Villa keep Critch on as the 1st team coach at least until the new Manager was appointed, I’ll tell you why, Villa didn’t rate him. Critch a glorified Coach, are you serious? He was on at least £750,000 a year at Villa.
 
Let’s not be pedantic, get off the fence, do you want Critchley or not? I don’t want Critchley and I have given you my reasons. You always seem to have an excuse for failure if it suits your case, there is no bigger basket case than Blackpool at the moment and Critch isn’t the man to turn the current situation around. I have major doubts regarding Critch as a Manager and I think he should seek an Assistant role where he spends all of his time coaching and developing players at the highest level. If Gerrard or Liverpool don‘t come calling soon then he should seek an Assistant or 1st team coaching role with a Premier League club.
I'm not on the fence...

I'll repeat what I have said already...

I think Critchley is an absolute genius... His attention to detail and meticulous approach to games whilst he was at Blackpool had a significant bearing on our ability to overcome the limited ability of the individuals who made up our squad. To that extent and from a purely personal point of view, I would be fine with him being appointed as our manager. I really don't put too much weight in how things panned out for him at Villa or QPR, though it's possible his confidence may have been affected by the QPR job.

That said, I think you have to factor in, what I have referred to as 'The idiot factor' and that is the very vocal minority of our fans who are more concerned with 'expressing their opinions' than they are with giving their team the best chance to progress. We saw a classic example of that when our fans chose to completely undermine Chris Maxwell's confidence by singing songs about Dan Grimshaw, when the first goal went in.... The same idiots who were calling for Michael Appleton's head, because despite holding out for most of the Wigan game with 10 men, we finally succumbed to the almost inevitable.

I'm also not entirely convinced by the people that Critchley has chosen to surround himself with as his 'Coaching Team' and his judgement about colleagues overall, because it doesn't take a genius to work out that 'Stevie G' is a bit of a fraud as a manager.

So what does all that mean?

Well, on balance, I definitely don't (I've popped that there in bold text for you) think we should appoint him as the next Blackpool Manager... I just think there are too many things that will not go in his favour... In the main, he would be the third 'ex-manager' to be appointed (the other two have flopped) and I really don't think the fans would get behind him to the extent that might be necessary... I also think he might struggle himself if he didn't get off to a good start.

I'm pretty sure he will re-appear somewhere... He may well have to drop down a level or get a job as a number 2 elsewhere.... He really should have used the opportunity he had at Blackpool to try and properly establish himself, rather than putting his progress at risk, but that's football and it's the chance you take.
 
Firstly... I haven't suggested that Critch should be appointed as Manager of Blackpool FC (so let's just get that clear, before you go on to misquote me, like you have with regard to McCarthy)... What I have said, however is that from a personal point of view that I wouldn't have a problem with the appointment of Critchley.

I actually see his so called 'Stock' having fallen as a result of his boss failing and then him being sacked after 70 Days from Club that is clearly all over the show as an advantage. I suspect it will have an impact on his choices moving forward and influence him to value the security of life at a supportive Club like ours.
I had to challenge your comment about Critch “ valuing the security of life at a supportive Club like ours “. Consider the following just over the last 12 months — Appleton sacked 7 months into a 4 year contract, McCarthy & TC sacked after 80 days whilst it was still mathematically possibly to stay up, all of Critch’s support staff sacked when he left. McCarthy told 1st team coach Richard O’Donnell that he was impressed and would keep him on till the end of the season but a week later he had gone, head of recruitment John Stephenson gone and replaced by Chris Badlan who was sacked after only 4 months and just one transfer window in the job. CEO clinging onto his job with his finger nails and continuing rumours that the Club is up for sale. Add in a relegation next month and all of the comings and goings (involving 20 to 30 players) in the summer transfer window and the reduced player budget in Div 1. There is nothing strong and stable at our Club at the moment that could possibly lead a managerial candidate to “ value the security of life at a supportive Club like ours “
 
I had to challenge your comment about Critch “ valuing the security of life at a supportive Club like ours “. Consider the following just over the last 12 months — Appleton sacked 7 months into a 4 year contract, McCarthy & TC sacked after 80 days whilst it was still mathematically possibly to stay up, all of Critch’s support staff sacked when he left. McCarthy told 1st team coach Richard O’Donnell that he was impressed and would keep him on till the end of the season but a week later he had gone, head of recruitment John Stephenson gone and replaced by Chris Badlan who was sacked after only 4 months and just one transfer window in the job. CEO clinging onto his job with his finger nails and continuing rumours that the Club is up for sale. Add in a relegation next month and all of the comings and goings (involving 20 to 30 players) in the summer transfer window and the reduced player budget in Div 1. There is nothing strong and stable at our Club at the moment that could possibly lead a managerial candidate to “ value the security of life at a supportive Club like ours “
Critchley was certainly given every opportunity and the full support of Simon and the Board to enable him to be successful in his role. He went on a few fairly lengthy runs where the wins were few and far between whilst here. Essentially he left a role where he was well though of and had plenty of license and influence... He's had a decent and settled 2 years with us and then two jobs which have lasted a couple of months a piece.

I really don't need to pick apart the rest of your post... You know yourself that you've over-egged the pudding to make a point... We too have had a period of instability since he has left.
 
Critch was brought in to replace Michael Beale and on paper it was the perfect role for Critch as he was spending all of his time coaching and developing the players on the Training Ground. What was revealed later from some of the Villa players was how important Michael Beale was, I am not saying he ran the show but they said he did and it was Beale who gave the team talks and did all the match preparation. If Gerrard had been sacked at Villa whilst Beale had still been there, do you think Beale would have been sacked as well, I don’t but Critch was sacked at the same time as Gerrard. Why didn’t Villa keep Critch on as the 1st team coach at least until the new Manager was appointed, I’ll tell you why, Villa didn’t rate him. Critch a glorified Coach, are you serious? He was on at least £750,000 a year at Villa.
Of course he was a glorified coach. You really think he outranked Gary McAllister when he walked thru the door? Villa probably wanted to clear the decks for the next manager which is pretty common to be fair. Would we really want Appletons back room staff lingering around or would we want the manager to bring his own staff?
If we got NC back he should bring his own staff instead of trying to push Steve Thompson on him, we either trust him or we don’t.
Crichley when he joined QPR were already in a rut and even now he’s left, Gareth Ainsworth (a manager I really rate) has hardly pulled up any trees either. Is it really poor management or are there more issues at QPR?

Anyway, just out of interest who would you appoint? My main concern is we overlook Crichley and get Micky Mellon or someone like that because we simply won’t pay for any better.
 
Forget the “ mutual agreement “ of course McCarthy was sacked. McCarthy is not a quitter and if the BFC Board wanted to keep Mick he would still be here,
Silly comment. If he was sacked then it wouldn't be by mutual agreement would it? All parties mutually agreed that he and TC tunewizard should leave, hence he wasn't sacked.

It's tough on here sometimes....
 
NO WAY signed a long term deal then walked out. His last few games as Manager of us were shocking and then he took QPR into freefall after being dismissed from Villa.
He has been exposed as ordinary at best, and none of my family will be renewing season tickets again if he was to return. Sadler needs to look forwards and realise that reappointing past managers is a recipe for failure as he has already learned not once but twice in recent years.
I think there's a bit of a difference between returning after 1 year with basically the same squad, and returning after 10 years or more. No?
 
Silly comment. If he was sacked then it wouldn't be by mutual agreement would it? All parties mutually agreed that he and TC tunewizard should leave, hence he wasn't sacked.

It's tough on here sometimes....
OK I get it you don‘t like “ sacked “ how about the BFC Board decided they didn’t want him to be Manager anymore, McCarthy agreed to go and so it was “ by mutual agreement “ If McCarthy had not agreed to go he would have been sacked and McCarthy knew that which is why he agreed to go. I believe it was the BFC Board who initiated the conversation with McCarthy and not the other way round otherwise McCarthy would have tendered his resignation and the BFC Board would have accepted it. No matter how you want to dress it up the BFC Board had made the decision McCarthy was going.
 
I expect there will very few of the Squad that Critch left behind a year ago, unless Critch decides to give Stewart another long term contract. I think the player turnover (coming and goings) from June onwards will be in the 20s. I also think Critch returning low on confidence after the year he has had to a Club where a lot of the fan base despise him is not something Critch should even consider.
I think there's a bit of a difference between returning after 1 year with basically the same squad, and returning after 10 years or more.
 
Critchley was certainly given every opportunity and the full support of Simon and the Board to enable him to be successful in his role. He went on a few fairly lengthy runs where the wins were few and far between whilst here. Essentially he left a role where he was well though of and had plenty of license and influence... He's had a decent and settled 2 years with us and then two jobs which have lasted a couple of months a piece.

I really don't need to pick apart the rest of your post... You know yourself that you've over-egged the pudding to make a point... We too have had a period of instability since he has left.
I was talking about the here and now and not 3 years ago when Critch first came in as a rookie Manager. The situation now is chalk and cheese and completely different. I take from your comment that you “ really don’t need to take apart the rest of my post “ that you broadly agree with it.
 
Of course he was a glorified coach. You really think he outranked Gary McAllister when he walked thru the door? Villa probably wanted to clear the decks for the next manager which is pretty common to be fair. Would we really want Appletons back room staff lingering around or would we want the manager to bring his own staff?
If we got NC back he should bring his own staff instead of trying to push Steve Thompson on him, we either trust him or we don’t.
Crichley when he joined QPR were already in a rut and even now he’s left, Gareth Ainsworth (a manager I really rate) has hardly pulled up any trees either. Is it really poor management or are there more issues at QPR?

Anyway, just out of interest who would you appoint? My main concern is we overlook Crichley and get Micky Mellon or someone like that because we simply won’t pay for any better.
To be honest I can’t give you any names until I know which Division we are in and who is available after the season ends which is why I would prefer to wait until the end of the season. There are no standout names I have heard mentioned so far who are currently available that I think we should go for now.
 
I was talking about the here and now and not 3 years ago when Critch first came in as a rookie Manager. The situation now is chalk and cheese and completely different. I take from your comment that you “ really don’t need to take apart the rest of my post “ that you broadly agree with it.
No I don't agree with it at all... I think that 80% of the things you mention have no relevance to the point whatsoever and are simply there to pad out the fact that we have found it necessary to part company with two terrible and woefully underperforming managers. The removal of Richard O'Donnell for an example (and with every respect to him) is a complete irrelevance (as he was Appleton's man).. John Stephenson was a long standing planned departure and the Chris Badlan removal was clearly justified..... I'm sure we've also had incoming and outgoing players in that time too.... In any business, there will always be incomings and outgoings in personnel and in a Football Club more than most.

I do agree that the circumstances (for an incoming manager) are different, but I think that has more to do with the poor run of results, the fact that we've had one more failed ex-manager to add into the mix in Appleton and the attitude of the fans.
 
Of course he was a glorified coach. You really think he outranked Gary McAllister when he walked thru the door? Villa probably wanted to clear the decks for the next manager which is pretty common to be fair. Would we really want Appletons back room staff lingering around or would we want the manager to bring his own staff?
If we got NC back he should bring his own staff instead of trying to push Steve Thompson on him, we either trust him or we don’t.
Crichley when he joined QPR were already in a rut and even now he’s left, Gareth Ainsworth (a manager I really rate) has hardly pulled up any trees either. Is it really poor management or are there more issues at QPR?

Anyway, just out of interest who would you appoint? My main concern is we overlook Crichley and get Micky Mellon or someone like that because we simply won’t pay for any better.
If I was to assume we are in Div 1 next season my top target would be Steven Schumaker providing Plymouth don’t get promoted this year, Schumaker is from the NW and like us all he will love the Gold Coast. My other targets would be Pete Wild at Barrow & Dave Challinor at Stockport. Other options on my list would be Michael Duff if Barnsley don‘t get promoted, Paul Simpson, Joey Barton, Karl Robinson and Ritchie Wellens.
If a Blackpool connection was a requirement then I would go for Ollie as Manager, Tommo as Assistant Manager/Head of Recruitment, Charlie Adam Assistant Manager/1st team coach and if Dobbie does well in the next 6 games I would reward him with a 1st team coaching role. Succession planning would involve Tommo as the Caretaker with either Charlie or Dobbie stepping up to Manager over time. Another option is to bring in the very experienced Paul Hart as a Director of Football.
 
No I don't agree with it at all... I think that 80% of the things you mention have no relevance to the point whatsoever and are simply there to pad out the fact that we have found it necessary to part company with two terrible and woefully underperforming managers. The removal of Richard O'Donnell for an example (and with every respect to him) is a complete irrelevance (as he was Appleton's man).. John Stephenson was a long standing planned departure and the Chris Badlan removal was clearly justified..... I'm sure we've also had incoming and outgoing players in that time too.... In any business, there will always be incomings and outgoings in personnel and in a Football Club more than most.

I do agree that the circumstances (for an incoming manager) are different, but I think that has more to do with the poor run of results, the fact that we've had one more failed ex-manager to add into the mix in Appleton and the attitude of the fans.
Yet again you have completely missed my point and continue to stick to your own agenda whilst rolling out the same rhetoric, rather then completely opening your mind and listening, yes listening, to other people’s opinions which whilst they are not the same as yours are equally relevant. I never once said that any of those actions weren’t justified. I was simply trying to demonstrate to you with examples how the Club today is very different from the Club that Critch experienced when he was at Blackpool last time and why I didn‘t think Critch would fit in second time round. We are not strong and stable and apart from Stewart who have we looked after? What about JT’s new contract after 3 concussions in a year? These are just my opinions, I am not saying I am right. I could be completely wrong and Critch does come in and proves to be the genius you said he was.
 
OK I get it you don‘t like “ sacked “ how about the BFC Board decided they didn’t want him to be Manager anymore, McCarthy agreed to go and so it was “ by mutual agreement “ If McCarthy had not agreed to go he would have been sacked and McCarthy knew that which is why he agreed to go. I believe it was the BFC Board who initiated the conversation with McCarthy and not the other way round otherwise McCarthy would have tendered his resignation and the BFC Board would have accepted it. No matter how you want to dress it up the BFC Board had made the decision McCarthy was going.
Please don’t flatter yourselves, I think you are two of the nicest idiots that we have on AVFTT and long may it continue.
I expect there will very few of the Squad that Critch left behind a year ago, unless Critch decides to give Stewart another long term contract. I think the player turnover (coming and goings) from June onwards will be in the 20s. I also think Critch returning low on confidence after the year he has had to a Club where a lot of the fan base despise him is not something Critch should even consider.
I was talking about the here and now and not 3 years ago when Critch first came in as a rookie Manager. The situation now is chalk and cheese and completely different. I take from your comment that you “ really don’t need to take apart the rest of my post “ that you broadly agree with it.
To be honest I can’t give you any names until I know which Division we are in and who is available after the season ends which is why I would prefer to wait until the end of the season. There are no standout names I have heard mentioned so far who are currently available that I think we should go for now.
If I was to assume we are in Div 1 next season my top target would be Steven Schumaker providing Plymouth don’t get promoted this year, Schumaker is from the NW and like us all he will love the Gold Coast. My other targets would be Pete Wild at Barrow & Dave Challinor at Stockport. Other options on my list would be Michael Duff if Barnsley don‘t get promoted, Paul Simpson, Joey Barton, Karl Robinson and Ritchie Wellens.
If a Blackpool connection was a requirement then I would go for Ollie as Manager, Tommo as Assistant Manager/Head of Recruitment, Charlie Adam Assistant Manager/1st team coach and if Dobbie does well in the next 6 games I would reward him with a 1st team coaching role. Succession planning would involve Tommo as the Caretaker with either Charlie or Dobbie stepping up to Manager over time. Another option is to bring in the very experienced Paul Hart as a Director of Football.
Yet again you have completely missed my point and continue to stick to your own agenda whilst rolling out the same rhetoric, rather then completely opening your mind and listening, yes listening, to other people’s opinions which whilst they are not the same as yours are equally relevant. I never once said that any of those actions weren’t justified. I was simply trying to demonstrate to you with examples how the Club today is very different from the Club that Critch experienced when he was at Blackpool last time and why I didn‘t think Critch would fit in second time round. We are not strong and stable and apart from Stewart who have we looked after? What about JT’s new contract after 3 concussions in a year? These are just my opinions, I am not saying I am right. I could be completely wrong and Critch does come in and proves to be the genius you said he was.
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Do you ever have a day off?
 
Yet again you have completely missed my point and continue to stick to your own agenda whilst rolling out the same rhetoric, rather then completely opening your mind and listening, yes listening, to other people’s opinions which whilst they are not the same as yours are equally relevant. I never once said that any of those actions weren’t justified. I was simply trying to demonstrate to you with examples how the Club today is very different from the Club that Critch experienced when he was at Blackpool last time and why I didn‘t think Critch would fit in second time round. We are not strong and stable and apart from Stewart who have we looked after? What about JT’s new contract after 3 concussions in a year? These are just my opinions, I am not saying I am right. I could be completely wrong and Critch does come in and proves to be the genius you said he was.
I took time to read and digest your point in detail.

I’m not listening, because you’re not speaking, but I am reading, because you’re writing.

I realise what you were doing, I just don’t think that your illustration is a particularly good one for the reasons stated. It’s not my fault you chose to use poor examples to back up ‘your point’… That’s on you.

I’m not sure, however that you have quite read and digested what I actually wrote, before you decided to re-engage me into your argument.

I said that as a result of Critchley’s subsequent experience, following leaving Blackpool, that he may now value the support and stability of life at a supportive club like ours.

(Whether or not our Club is currently supportive and stable, and personally I think it is anyway, it’s not relevant to his past experience)

You’re also talking about the supposed instability in the context of putting Critchley off coming to Blackpool… Yet the theoretical situation I refer to would assume he had already decided to come in any case and so it has no bearing…

As I’ve already said… I don’t think we should appoint him.. I feel like you’re somewhat disappointed that I didn’t say I did think we should appoint him to give you a basis to continue a lengthy and, no doubt circular, argument… You now seem to want to argue about a sentence in my post that you have decided to derive an alternative meaning from…

From my perspective… Can I just say that I can’t be arsed with that … This is my final reply 👍
 
Watching L’pool-Arsoles at mo’ and this thought passed through my mind:
Arteta has learnt a lot from Pep. Is there another of the Man City coaches that could sprinkle some magic on our team?
 
So he isn’t about to take Stockport to back to back promotions then? I think you’ll find Jim Bentley took Fylde down after taking over in the October. He then went to Hartlepool and took them up.
I’m not gonna give the guy credit for something that hasn’t actually happened yet but fair enough - not relegated from the conference. He did however get sacked for not being successful with a relatively huge budget. He’s also got a big budget at Stockport comparatively to most rivals too. I’m not sure we need a manager who likes money to fund their success at any level - in fact quite the opposite
 
Watching L’pool-Arsoles at mo’ and this thought passed through my mind:
Arteta has learnt a lot from Pep. Is there another of the Man City coaches that could sprinkle some magic on our team?
Well Guardiola teaches Arteta and Kompany so maybe we look to their suppport staff who likely share a similar approach…

Burnley coach Charlie Adam perhaps ?
 
As supporters of this mighty football club , I believe we should back the decision of our board whoever they appoint . It’s not for us to like or dislike anyone contracted to BFC. I know it’s easy to say this , but we have to believe Simon and his board truly want what is best for this football club . If they decide to re employ Critchley , then I will fully support their choice . We don’t need our so called mega fans to create a divisive and toxic environment just because we don’t agree with all the decisions made .
 
Bringing Quitchley back would be doomed. The bleating moaners on here would pile on if he didn't win every game in the start of the season.

Would I want him back?

Yes, but he'd need to eat a large slice of humble pie and address the fans directly with honesty and transparency. If he came out and said he got an offer he couldn't refuse and regrets not having the guts to front it up ....

Yes. On a two year binding contract. Both sides.
 
It's not a superstition here Zico.
Aka a Proven track record with ex managers coming back that it never works well. If you can't see it Specsavers is open and taking on new customers.
So if it’s a direct choice between him and Micky Mellon we would have no choice but to take Mellon?
 
Bringing Quitchley back would be doomed. The bleating moaners on here would pile on if he didn't win every game in the start of the season.

Would I want him back?

Yes, but he'd need to eat a large slice of humble pie and address the fans directly with honesty and transparency. If he came out and said he got an offer he couldn't refuse and regrets not having the guts to front it up ....

Yes. On a two year binding contract. Both sides.
He would come out with some spiel for the jilted school girl fans we have then we would crack on and get on with it.
 
Well Guardiola teaches Arteta and Kompany so maybe we look to their suppport staff who likely share a similar approach…

Burnley coach Charlie Adam perhaps ?
CA is working with them?
Ok, Mr. Sadler we’ve found our candidate. Let’s see what he’s learned. I’m sure CA would welcome a posting to the ‘Gold Coast’ but, Charlie, keep closely in touch for advice (AND loanees!).
 
how about taking him back BECAUSE he knows what's needed to get out of league one.... THEN sack him the day after promotion... he's clueless in the Championship anyway
 
how about taking him back BECAUSE he knows what's needed to get out of league one.... THEN sack him the day after promotion... he's clueless in the Championship anyway

We finished 23 points above the drop with him as manager in the Championship. A feat looking increasingly more impressive given our current predicament. And there was room for improvement.

Not sure he can be judged too harshly on the QPR job; apparently some of their players don't even bother training properly.

I think he would be a bit of a coup for a League One team low on confidence. He isn't without his faults, and some fans won't like it, but the board have royally cocked up the last two managerial appointments so they need to get it right and I think the timing is good for both parties. We could do a lot worse.
 
Its a bit lazy just to go for Critch.

The club need to go through a thorough and vigorous assessment of a number of quality candidates and make a decision based on the pros and cons.

Critch might be on the list of candidates he might not .

He 'll score points in some areas he wont in others.

The board need to pick the right man and ignore what is being said on here and elsewhere.

He shouldnt be ruled out simply because he may cause division but it should be a factor alongside other criteria.

Ruling him out simply because he didnt say goodbye and some fans got upset or because he left and it left us in the mire is not sensible thought.
 
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I wish some fans would get over themselves with this "loyalty" thing. The fella aspired to something better like working in the prem under an ex England Captain with a team potentially playing European football and at the same time probably earning 3x more than at BFC. Im not sure if I want him back but Im not gonna get hung up about it. Plus l like the idea of managers NOT relocating and living in the area and he fits the bill. We could do a lot worse but I would like to see Dobbie given a fair crack of the whip.
 
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