Dirty Old Men!

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I won’t say what has prompted this post, suffice to say that these things seem to happen with amazing regularity to women.

Being that this forum is majority male, I thought I’d raise the question…

What is it that makes bloke a think they can sexually assault women “have a grope” as some might put it, when on a night out?

It seems the wandering hands types are becoming increasingly prevalent these days and if they’re not trying to render young girls unconscious by drink tampering, they’re grabbing and groping away.

Is it time that we started putting these dirty buggers behind bars where they belong and adopting a zero tolerance approach??
 
tangerine_neil said:
The drink tampering is certainly an increasing issue, but I’d say the rest of the o/p was far more prevalent years ago. Just hear about it more now. Attitudes have changed.
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Maybe more calling out of it rather than suffering in silence? I genuinely don't understand why some would think that women would react favourably to bring groped.
 
tangerine_neil said:
The drink tampering is certainly an increasing issue, but I’d say the rest of the o/p was far more prevalent years ago. Just hear about it more now. Attitudes have changed.
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I wonder if it may have been ‘tolerated’ to a certain extent in the past, however it seems to be extremely prevalent in clubs etc.. (rarely happened in the 90’s when I was out).

I wonder if it has something to do with the booze / coke culture that is more prevalent these days..

The other one is this random texting someone a picture of your appendage… WTF is that all about?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I wonder if it may have been ‘tolerated’ to a certain extent in the past, however it seems to be extremely prevalent in clubs etc.. (rarely happened in the 90’s when I was out).

I wonder if it has something to do with the booze / coke culture that is more prevalent these days..

The other one is this random texting someone a picture of your appendage… WTF is that all about?
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I don’t think there’s any one easy answer. It was definitely tolerated, except for the delivery of a deserved return slap / punch. Used to happen a fair bit in pubs. Agree not so much in clubs. Was seen as a bit of a laugh in the 80’s & even 90’s. On TV it was in comedy sketches etc.
Now we know it’s not acceptable but then there’s the influence of porn hubs, rap music, video games, many of which degrading to women. Almost attempting to normalise women as one dimensional sexualised characters.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I won’t say what has prompted this post, suffice to say that these things seem to happen with amazing regularity to women.

Being that this forum is majority male, I thought I’d raise the question…

What is it that makes bloke a think they can sexually assault women “have a grope” as some might put it, when on a night out?

It seems the wandering hands types are becoming increasingly prevalent these days and if they’re not trying to render young girls unconscious by drink tampering, they’re grabbing and groping away.

Is it time that we started putting these dirty buggers behind bars where they belong and adopting a zero tolerance approach??
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A couple of things.
I thought the "old men" side of this would be more likely to be on the decrease because of less intolerance these days with the old fashioned "slap your bum" mentally for a bit of a laugh. This is also far more likely to be reported.
I honestly thought the problem was now more prevalent with the younger generation and even with school age kids where there's reportedly lots of cyber sexual harassment.
Not my speciailist subject though.
 
Curryman said:
Why Old? I would wager that most of the groping etc is done by younger men.
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Apologies for that CM, I wasn't necessarily aiming it at Old Men really.... It's just a term of phrase (Steptoe and Son etc..).

Yep, plenty of the groping does seem to be happening with younger men.... I wonder if we have failed to bring our young men up with a sense of basic decency really...
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I won’t say what has prompted this post, suffice to say that these things seem to happen with amazing regularity to women.

Being that this forum is majority male, I thought I’d raise the question…

What is it that makes bloke a think they can sexually assault women “have a grope” as some might put it, when on a night out?

It seems the wandering hands types are becoming increasingly prevalent these days and if they’re not trying to render young girls unconscious by drink tampering, they’re grabbing and groping away.

Is it time that we started putting these dirty buggers behind bars where they belong and adopting a zero tolerance approach??
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The “old” part doesn’t stack up, old men don’t go to clu generally and to my knowledge, drink spiking would be beyond them.
 
It’s not just the groping X3
There was a post on here the other day that LaLa put on asking about the Etihad as she was taking her granddaughter
Can’t remember who it was but she got a reply that made reference to her being a MILF
Is that acceptable (even if meant in jest)?
And why didn’t the mods get rid of it?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I won’t say what has prompted this post, suffice to say that these things seem to happen with amazing regularity to women.

Being that this forum is majority male, I thought I’d raise the question…

What is it that makes bloke a think they can sexually assault women “have a grope” as some might put it, when on a night out?

It seems the wandering hands types are becoming increasingly prevalent these days and if they’re not trying to render young girls unconscious by drink tampering, they’re grabbing and groping away.

Is it time that we started putting these dirty buggers behind bars where they belong and adopting a zero tolerance approach??
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Is such behaviour more prevalent these days ?

I'm not sure that there are too many who consider such behaviour to be acceptable ?

Perhaps the cocaine culture is responsible for any increase if there is an increase but not my chosen specialised subject.
 
Lala said:
Yes, sorry 😆

My daughter has experienced this a lot though, Bloody ridiculous in my opinion..
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Thank god for that...

The thought of it knocked me a bit queezy 😂

It's a strange how do you do that's for sure..... I mean what are they expecting really in terms of an introduction....? I suppose it's probably the modern day equivalent of flashing or pinching knickers off the washing line etc... Probably not boyfriend material I suppose.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I wonder if it may have been ‘tolerated’ to a certain extent in the past, however it seems to be extremely prevalent in clubs etc.. (rarely happened in the 90’s when I was out).

I wonder if it has something to do with the booze / coke culture that is more prevalent these days..

The other one is this random texting someone a picture of your appendage… WTF is that all about?
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I told you that was an accident.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Thank god for that...

The thought of it knocked me a bit queezy 😂

It's a strange how do you do that's for sure..... I mean what are they expecting really in terms of an introduction....? I suppose it's probably the modern day equivalent of flashing or pinching knickers off the washing line etc... Probably not boyfriend material I suppose.
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My daughter has had videos of more than just a ‘still’ of an appendage.

It‘s really odd. Sometimes it can be after what she considers a really nice date. Then they wonder why she doesn‘t reply and blocks them 💁‍♀️
It’s a very strange world we live in.
 
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Wizaard said:
There was a football Chairman who used that defence after posting a picture of his button mushroom online. Was it Notts County?
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Slightly off tangent, but I once watched 999 emergency, where the Ambulance Driver mentioned a bloke who had claimed to have accidentally (let's just say) 'attached himself' to a Yorkshire Terrier.

Presumably he was refused entry from the nightclub
 
Let’s be clear the drugging or spiking is fuckin out of order and anyone that does this is scum, But come on who hasnt had the odd sneaky feel or ideed received the odd pat on the arse when they were younger after a few, still out of order but totally different league To date rape.
 
Lad in South shore said:
Let’s be clear the drugging or spiking is fuckin out of order and anyone that does this is scum, But come on who hasnt had the odd sneaky feel or ideed received the odd pat on the arse when they were younger after a few, still out of order but totally different league To date rape.
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I can't imagine ever touching someone or 'having a sneaky feel' as you put it .... It's all a bit rapey for my liking TBH.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I can't imagine ever touching someone or 'having a sneaky feel' as you put it .... It's all a bit rapey for my liking TBH.
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In my experience women are worse, couldn’t stand at the bar in brannigans back in the day without some girl feeling my knackers and that could be ten times a night , was that rape?? Nope
 
Lad in South shore said:
In my experience women are worse, couldn’t stand at the bar in brannigans back in the day without some girl feeling my knackers and that could be ten times a night , was that rape?? Nope
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I didn't say it was rape, though often it amounts to very serious sexual assault, I said it was a bit 'rapey' and it is... If you're out there just randomly groping women, then you're a bit of a sexual deviant in my book. Do you pinch knickers off washing lines too?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Slightly off tangent, but I once watched 999 emergency, where the Ambulance Driver mentioned a bloke who had claimed to have accidentally (let's just say) 'attached himself' to a Yorkshire Terrier.

Presumably he was refused entry from the nightclub
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I will forever remember Mark and Lard wittering on and the phrase...

"I was hoovering the stairs in my loose fitting dressing gown when I knelt to examine some dust closely and......"

was used in relation to some appliance related sexual mishap.
 
Dollar Thief said:
Things were different back in the 70's, 80's and 90's.

Just look how many women used to get wolf whistled in the street, the majority enjoyed it. What's changed is that as time has gone on, the wolf whistle was then followed by crude statement which took it too far.

As for the squeezing of the bum, it used to happen all the time back then, peoples views on life back then was all different to the way it is now. Just look at the Only Fools & Horses clips I posted earlier, they were from 1983, people laughed back then.

Two women were recently in court for squeezing some blokes arse, not sure what happened to one of them but the other one was thrown out.

I've had my arse squeezed in the past by various women, turned round to see who it was a laughed at the woman who did it. Back then it was all good fun, but times have changed.
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I'm not really sure, 'the majority enjoyed it'... I suspect most were a bit embarrassed and laughed it off and blokes convinced themselves that 'they enjoyed it'

BTW, I'm not talking about 'squeezing of the bum', I'm talking about blokes who feel it is appropriate to go much further than that. It's all a bit Jimmy Savile if you ask me.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Is such behaviour more prevalent these days ?

I'm not sure that there are too many who consider such behaviour to be acceptable ?

Perhaps the cocaine culture is responsible for any increase if there is an increase but not my chosen specialised subject.
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A lot of behaviour is more prevalent these days despite the younger generation claiming they better behaved and more respectful than us old 'uns were.
 
I have done Salsa dancing since 2006, and I can only remember one older guy that used to grope the women deliberately. I was unaware of his activities until I entered a salsa event and was standing next to him, and noticed that a lot of women were looking anxiously in our direction,
especially some of the local female dance teachers. Feeling a little paranoid that the women were talking about me, I told one of my female friends about what had happened, she replied it's the other guy he's a serial groper and all the women know, and the female dance teachers all tell their new students to avoid dancing with him. Once I was aware of his reputation, I started to watch him dance and he had a set routine that always had at least two or three accidental gropes in them, except every dance was the same. Eventually, the word spread everywhere and he became a pariah in the salsa community with the women refusing to dance with him, and being refused entry to the social events.

However, groping was very prevalent by the younger foreign men in the Salsa clubs in Manchester, London etc before covid. In these clubs, they would often have large groups of hen parties, Christmas parties, and of course, they would all drink to excess. It was very easy for the younger foreign men to pass themselves as experts at salsa to drunk novices and start dirty dancing and groping the ladies. A lot of my younger female friends that were experienced salsa dancers avoided going to these Salsa clubs as they knew that would be groped, by persistent men that couldn't really dance, and that were drinking heavily with limited English ability.
 
Danny Ocean said:
I have done Salsa dancing since 2006, and I can only remember one older guy that used to grope the women deliberately. I was unaware of his activities until I entered a salsa event and was standing next to him, and noticed that a lot of women were looking anxiously in our direction,
especially some of the local female dance teachers. Feeling a little paranoid that the women were talking about me, I told one of my female friends about what had happened, she replied it's the other guy he's a serial groper and all the women know, and the female dance teachers all tell their new students to avoid dancing with him. Once I was aware of his reputation, I started to watch him dance and he had a set routine that always had at least two or three accidental gropes in them, except every dance was the same. Eventually, the word spread and he became a pariah in the salsa community with the women refusing to dance with him, and he was refused entry to the social events.

However, groping was very prevalent by the younger foreign men in the Salsa clubs in Manchester, London etc before covid. In these clubs, they would often have large groups of hen parties, Christmas parties, and of course, they would all drink to excess. It was very easy for the younger foreign men to pass themselves as experts at salsa to drunk novices and start dirty dancing and groping the ladies. A lot of my younger female friends that were experienced salsa dancers avoided going to these Salsa clubs as they knew that would be groped, by persistent men that couldn't really dance, and that were drinking heavily with limited English ability.
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That really is grim….

It’s sad to think that weirdos are there exploiting opportunities like that to get cheap thrills..

I know we tend to joke around these subjects and a lot of blokes struggle to challenge themselves by dealing with these issues (maybe it’s just more prevalent than we imagine and those of us who find it wrong are in a minority), but it’s seriously grim.

The worst of it is that women / girls will actually avoid going out or partaking in dancing or whatever and be fearful because of these weirdos👎👎👎
 
Let’s face it, a lot of blokes are cunts and it’s always been the case.

I can’t see the thrill in forcing yourself onto someone……where is the joy, the pleasure in that?

I’ve always said I‘m glad we had two sons as if I had a daughter I’d worry myself to death
 
Eternaloptimist said:
It’s not just the groping X3
There was a post on here the other day that LaLa put on asking about the Etihad as she was taking her granddaughter
Can’t remember who it was but she got a reply that made reference to her being a MILF
Is that acceptable (even if meant in jest)?
And why didn’t the mods get rid of it?
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It was me but you're wrong. I actually said GILF 🤣
 
Most men that have grown up within the UK, are reasonably calibrated with their behavior towards the opposite sex. Yes, there are the
odd exception as I have mentioned.

But, the real problem lies with the influx of young foreign men that have grown up with a totally different perspective about what is
acceptable. For example, in the Dominican Republic, there is a dance called perreo ( Doggystyle) dancing and there are moves in Salsa
and Bachata which use this style. This is a perfectly acceptable social dance style in the Caribbean.

 
Danny Ocean said:
Most men that have grown up within the UK, are reasonably calibrated with their behavior towards the opposite sex. Yes, there are the
odd exception as I have mentioned.

But, the real problem lies with the influx of young foreign men that have grown up with a totally different perspective about what is
acceptable. For example, in the Dominican Republic, there is a dance called perreo ( Doggystyle) dancing and there are moves in Salsa
and Bachata which use this style. This is a perfectly acceptable social dance style in the Caribbean.

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I'm not convinced about lads in the UK being any better calibrated than anyone else really... I would imagine they might be less inclined to do salsa though....
 
Here is another example of a dance called kizomba from Africa that has had lots of problems with women's sexual harassment, especially at weekend events. Where there have been lots of allegations of spiking of drinks and drugging of women.


 
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