Discontent in the Critchley camp.

Suddickbender

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Just watching the two players fist pump at the end of yesterdays game, a marvellous game viewed from the back of the South Stand by the way, and one or two comments have mentioned players being benched or players speaking out about NC ……..

Can anyone confirm this or give examples of such instances ?
 
Thr main one I heard was Gabriel had words about the formation and that's why he was basically sat on the bench after he came back from injury. Also the reason we were looking to sell in the summer. There was also rumours that Husband and Norburn went and had words with Critchley just before he was sacked, however it's all just rumours and will most likely never be confirmed.
 
It is fairly well established that Critchley didn't like Joseph's predilection for having a shot sometimes.
 
You can’t please all of them all of the time. I suspect Mr Embleton is not happy with his lot. He soon skirted off at the end of the game which was disappointing to see. He needs to get his head down and show commitment to the cause that’s the only way he will progress. Been here 5 mins and showing the wrong attitude.
 
You can’t please all of them all of the time. I suspect Mr Embleton is not happy with his lot. He soon skirted off at the end of the game which was disappointing to see. He needs to get his head down and show commitment to the cause that’s the only way he will progress. Been here 5 mins and showing the wrong attitude.
I’d say get rid in January. It was a strange signing because when we had him first time round apart from a decent goal he was actually pretty naff and he’s spent a lot of time injured since then.
 
Casey's dad said something on twitter about Critchley at one point and was liking every tweet asking why he wasn't playing. There was obviously discontent and I said a few times that we looked like we had downed tools.

To put into perspective, Critchley's last 4 league games, we won 1, conceded 10 and scored 6. Bruce's first 4 league games, we've won 4, conceded 2 and scored 10. That's not just down to a formation switch, it's down to a mentality switch as well. The lads look like they'd run through a brick wall for Bruce and Keogh when he was in charge, they never looked like that for Critchley last season.
 
I'd probably say it is glaringly obvious that the players would have been upset.

The football was awful and they'll have some personal and professional pride. They'd have heard the fans and not enjoyed what they were being asked to do. The results also would tell a tale to them

No issue at all with Senior Players going to the manager. In fact I like it.

I had it on very good authority (not someone at the club) that Critchley is a nice man in public but stubborn as hell and rude outside of that
 
Hasn’t someone in Joseph’s family made reference to the players being fined if they took a shot from outside the area?
That would make sense why Dougall stopped doing it. The same bloke who under Critchley scored both goals at Wembley that earned us promotion, both from outside the area. Critchley was a stickler for sticking to the (stupid) plan and would openly throw players under the proverbial bus in his pressers if they didn't obey him. So absolutely no coincidence at all that so many players look far better this season now they are playing with more freedom to express themselves.
 
I'd probably say it is glaringly obvious that the players would have been upset.

The football was awful and they'll have some personal and professional pride. They'd have heard the fans and not enjoyed what they were being asked to do. The results also would tell a tale to them

No issue at all with Senior Players going to the manager. In fact I like it.

I had it on very good authority (not someone at the club) that Critchley is a nice man in public but stubborn as hell and rude outside of that

Brett in his commentary always talks fondly about Critchley as a person. I suppose that also speaks volumes about him as a man? The difference in the players' attitude and body language this season v last is palpable. They have smiles on their faces, their shoulders are back, they are playing with purpose and pride (something you mentioned was missing) and they even seem to be engaging with the crowd more and are more together as a team. The key to success as a group also includes togetherness, camaraderie, belief and freedom to express yourself.

God help whoever gets Critchley (the manager) next.
 
Clearly something wasn’t right and it wasn’t a happy camp.

That begs the question why didn’t Sadler get shut in the summer.

The difference in the players is for all to see in every aspect, not just a formation.
Absolutely spot on. Perhaps Sadler has his mind focused elsewhere (for obvious reasons) and has entrusted all matters of a football nature to someone else who is just getting paid a wage and doesn't care so much about stuff like 'for the love of the club?'
 
It was there in front of everyone like a fifty foot neon sign saying Critchley’s a ****

Some of us knew it from the start others could see it but wouldn’t believe it and some couldn’t see it at all.

He was a fraud, the worst manager we’ve had that I can remember and we’ve had some bad ones, but he got everything from a book or a classroom, he wasn’t a footballer and I am so happy he has gone. He will never be a successful manager at any level and will disappear into the back room somewhere next to the cones.

I didn’t want Bruce either, but I was wrong, he has freedom, no pressure, he can enjoy his twilight years as a manager and he looks like he’s enjoying it as much as the players and the coaches.
 
You can’t please all of them all of the time. I suspect Mr Embleton is not happy with his lot. He soon skirted off at the end of the game which was disappointing to see. He needs to get his head down and show commitment to the cause that’s the only way he will progress. Been here 5 mins and showing the wrong attitude.
That assault he perpetrated on the Burton winger I've seen the replay back and it seems to be borne out of sheer frustration and was pretty much nasty!
 
if those lads aren’t motivated, they won’t play as they should…. Critchley obviously couldn’t motivate those lads and his tactics were woeful.Clear to see the effect Bruce has had - a few tweaks and turning a sour camp into a happy place to be and play. Of course SB has something to prove and he’s certainly doing that!
A very good appointment this 👍
 
Remember after promotion Dougall laughing that Critchley told them not to shoot.

Can you imagine coaching players in League 1 not to shoot? It's just bizarre.

Clearly straight out of the super technical Pep coaching manual for world class footballers. But talk about hamstringing a League 1 outfit who don't have the ability to play keep ball and walk the ball into goal and refusing point blank to try playing any other way?
 
It was there in front of everyone like a fifty foot neon sign saying Critchley’s a ****

Some of us knew it from the start others could see it but wouldn’t believe it and some couldn’t see it at all.

He was a fraud, the worst manager we’ve had that I can remember and we’ve had some bad ones, but he got everything from a book or a classroom, he wasn’t a footballer and I am so happy he has gone. He will never be a successful manager at any level and will disappear into the back room somewhere next to the cones.

I didn’t want Bruce either, but I was wrong, he has freedom, no pressure, he can enjoy his twilight years as a manager and he looks like he’s enjoying it as much as the players and the coaches.
If Critchley, even 2.0, is 'the worst manager we've had that you can remember', I'd be concerned for your memory 😁
 
Remember after promotion Dougall laughing that Critchley told them not to shoot.

Can you imagine coaching players in League 1 not to shoot? It's just bizarre.

Clearly straight out of the super technical Pep coaching manual for world class footballers. But talk about hamstringing a League 1 outfit who don't have the ability to play keep ball and walk the ball into goal and refusing point blank to try playing any other way?
He loved to overcomplicate things, it's proven that if you do the basics well at this level then you have a great chance at going up. Duff is doing the same at Huddersfield right now and getting the same results we had last season. Pepball needs to be kept for the best teams in the world, not league 1.
 
Brett in his commentary always talks fondly about Critchley as a person. I suppose that also speaks volumes about him as a man? The difference in the players' attitude and body language this season v last is palpable. They have smiles on their faces, their shoulders are back, they are playing with purpose and pride (something you mentioned was missing) and they even seem to be engaging with the crowd more and are more together as a team. The key to success as a group also includes togetherness, camaraderie, belief and freedom to express yourself.

God help whoever gets Critchley (the manager) next.
His reputation as a manager has taken a huge hit. He hasn't the same 'reputation' as that fella who got Blackpool promoted at first attempt. In fact, now he's got an awful reputation

Any club doing their due diligence would.only have to look at 2024 with us and see his flaws
 
It was there in front of everyone like a fifty foot neon sign saying Critchley’s a ****

Some of us knew it from the start others could see it but wouldn’t believe it and some couldn’t see it at all.

He was a fraud, the worst manager we’ve had that I can remember and we’ve had some bad ones, but he got everything from a book or a classroom, he wasn’t a footballer and I am so happy he has gone. He will never be a successful manager at any level and will disappear into the back room somewhere next to the cones.

I didn’t want Bruce either, but I was wrong, he has freedom, no pressure, he can enjoy his twilight years as a manager and he looks like he’s enjoying it as much as the players and the coaches.
🐍wasn't the worst manager we've had by a long chalk.
The thing that'll always baffle me is the marked difference between the two tenures.
Mk1 we played lovely football with a resolute defence, solid midfield and good attacking options.
Mk2 was a shadow of those times, being scared of losing rather than going out to win.
Whatever happened in between those two stints ruined him as a manager and he would probably do well to fall back into a coaching roll as being a manager isn't for him.
 
It was there in front of everyone like a fifty foot neon sign saying Critchley’s a ****

Some of us knew it from the start others could see it but wouldn’t believe it and some couldn’t see it at all.

He was a fraud, the worst manager we’ve had that I can remember and we’ve had some bad ones, but he got everything from a book or a classroom, he wasn’t a footballer and I am so happy he has gone. He will never be a successful manager at any level and will disappear into the back room somewhere next to the cones.

I didn’t want Bruce either, but I was wrong, he has freedom, no pressure, he can enjoy his twilight years as a manager and he looks like he’s enjoying it as much as the players and the coaches.
It’s also good to see how much Dobbie and Keogh seem to be enjoying themselves. They’re definitely not bit players. Critchley would never have involved them like this yet we’ve seen that the players have responded well to them. SB himself has alluded to how things were done in the past, in a not so veiled criticism. He must have got that from the players and other staff members.
 
It’s also good to see how much Dobbie and Keogh seem to be enjoying themselves. They’re definitely not bit players. Critchley would never have involved them like this yet we’ve seen that the players have responded well to them. SB himself has alluded to how things were done in the past, in a not so veiled criticism. He must have got that from the players and other staff members.
It bodes well that we have such enthusiasm right through the coaching team. Dobbs and Uncle Richard always played with massive belief and it's rubbing off on the players, especially the younger players. Midweek the starting 11 had an average age of under 24 and 25 if you count the subs.
 
Hasn’t someone in Joseph’s family made reference to the players being fined if they took a shot from outside the area?
Think that was a silly rumour made up by someone.
Yeah I had seen something from caseys dad when Connolly was playing every game which was ridiculous... but stubborn critch wouldn't change.
Not saying it’s true - I heard that Connolly had an argument with Critchley last season
 
🐍wasn't the worst manager we've had by a long chalk.
The thing that'll always baffle me is the marked difference between the two tenures.
Mk1 we played lovely football with a resolute defence, solid midfield and good attacking options.
Mk2 was a shadow of those times, being scared of losing rather than going out to win.
Whatever happened in between those two stints ruined him as a manager and he would probably do well to fall back into a coaching roll as being a manager isn't for him.
He had different backroom staff. When Calderwood and McCall were in his ear we played well.
 
His reputation as a manager has taken a huge hit. He hasn't the same 'reputation' as that fella who got Blackpool promoted at first attempt. In fact, now he's got an awful reputation

Any club doing their due diligence would.only have to look at 2024 with us and see his flaws
What any club doing their due diligence don't want is Sadlers famous ( infamous?) 50 page dossier.🤣
 
It was there in front of everyone like a fifty foot neon sign saying Critchley’s a ****

Some of us knew it from the start others could see it but wouldn’t believe it and some couldn’t see it at all.

He was a fraud, the worst manager we’ve had that I can remember and we’ve had some bad ones, but he got everything from a book or a classroom, he wasn’t a footballer and I am so happy he has gone. He will never be a successful manager at any level and will disappear into the back room somewhere next to the cones.

I didn’t want Bruce either, but I was wrong, he has freedom, no pressure, he can enjoy his twilight years as a manager and he looks like he’s enjoying it as much as the players and the coaches.
The worst manager we’ve ever had? I’d go and get a memory test then. And how could you possibly know it from the start? It’s the same bullshit you come out with about SS. It’s like you do it from day one on the off chance you’re right about it and you can claim to see something that nobody else did. All based on nothing but a hunch.
 
It was there in front of everyone like a fifty foot neon sign saying Critchley’s a ****

Some of us knew it from the start others could see it but wouldn’t believe it and some couldn’t see it at all.

He was a fraud, the worst manager we’ve had that I can remember and we’ve had some bad ones, but he got everything from a book or a classroom, he wasn’t a footballer and I am so happy he has gone. He will never be a successful manager at any level and will disappear into the back room somewhere next to the cones.

I didn’t want Bruce either, but I was wrong, he has freedom, no pressure, he can enjoy his twilight years as a manager and he looks like he’s enjoying it as much as the players and the coaches.
You've got a reputation on here for coming out with reactionary shite.
Bearing in mind your post above is a considered, not heat of the moment, post I'm flabbergasted. You're effectively saying that you thought Hendry, Worthington, Clark, McDonald to name a few were better managers than Critchley. Beggars belief!
 
Just watching the two players fist pump at the end of yesterdays game, a marvellous game viewed from the back of the South Stand by the way, and one or two comments have mentioned players being benched or players speaking out about NC ……..

Can anyone confirm this or give examples of such instances ?
I’d heard Joseph and Gabriel had spoken out about things and were told they could leave.
Thank god Critchley has gone and credit (in the end) to Sadler for acting early on, before this season was another completely wasted one.
 
To answer all the critics who leap onto something they don't agree with, in my opinion Critchley is the worst manager for as long as I can remember, we have had some awful managers but he came with a high pedigree based on being at Liverpool and being an U23 coach, when he started he was awful, we had a terrible start to that season, it was only when Calderwood was bought in that we improved beyond recognition and again when McCall joined, when he was left on his own he was absolutely clueless and served up some of the worst football we have seen.

We have had the likes of Hendry, Ince, Worthington etc., but none of them as big a fraud as he is. When I say the start, O mean from when it was obvious which was after Mcall left, but you lot sit there happy that he was great, he wasn't he was utter shite.
 
The worst manager we’ve ever had? I’d go and get a memory test then. And how could you possibly know it from the start? It’s the same bullshit you come out with about SS. It’s like you do it from day one on the off chance you’re right about it and you can claim to see something that nobody else did. All based on nothing but a hunch.

100% agree.

Critchley had three full seasons, getting a promotion, a lower-mid table Championship finish and an 8th place finish missing the play-offs by a couple of points and for that will be remembered as one of our best not one of our worst managers.

He was ultimately hoisted by his own petard though when he could’ve managed this squad very differently as Steve Bruce is now demonstrating.
 
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You've got a reputation on here for coming out with reactionary shite.
Bearing in mind your post above is a considered, not heat of the moment, post I'm flabbergasted. You're effectively saying that you thought Hendry, Worthington, Clark, McDonald to name a few were better managers than Critchley. Beggars belief!

He is a worse manager, they were bad but Critchley was absolutely on another level.
 
Clearly something wasn’t right and it wasn’t a happy camp.

That begs the question why didn’t Sadler get shut in the summer.

The difference in the players is for all to see in every aspect, not just a formation.
Agree - the difference is obvious now, but don't slate Sadler for not getting rid earlier. Just remember that we had a chance of the play-offs going into the final game of last season, so statistically that wasn't a bad position to end up in. It's only now that we know just what the players are capable of. Once the season had started (clearly badly) he reacted, and that's a good thing without the benefit of hindsight.
 
To answer all the critics who leap onto something they don't agree with, in my opinion Critchley is the worst manager for as long as I can remember, we have had some awful managers but he came with a high pedigree based on being at Liverpool and being an U23 coach, when he started he was awful, we had a terrible start to that season, it was only when Calderwood was bought in that we improved beyond recognition and again when McCall joined, when he was left on his own he was absolutely clueless and served up some of the worst football we have seen.

We have had the likes of Hendry, Ince, Worthington etc., but none of them as big a fraud as he is. When I say the start, O mean from when it was obvious which was after Mcall left, but you lot sit there happy that he was great, he wasn't he was utter shite.
"When you say the start" can't be a selective moment based on happenings after that point.
 
"When you say the start" can't be a selective moment based on happenings after that point.
Of course it can, he started to show his true colours when he was first with us but he soon got Caldwell installed, as the powers that be could clearly see it was needed and it was only after MvVall eft the the writing was on the wall and that was the start of his downfall, he walked out, which was a blessing and then for some unforeseen reason he was reappointed after a disastrous season and frankly he was just bloody awful from then on.
 
The worst manager we’ve ever had? I’d go and get a memory test then. And how could you possibly know it from the start? It’s the same bullshit you come out with about SS. It’s like you do it from day one on the off chance you’re right about it and you can claim to see something that nobody else did. All based on nothing but a hunch.
You weren't exactly Critchley's number one fan or have you forgotten?
 
To answer all the critics who leap onto something they don't agree with, in my opinion Critchley is the worst manager for as long as I can remember, we have had some awful managers but he came with a high pedigree based on being at Liverpool and being an U23 coach, when he started he was awful, we had a terrible start to that season, it was only when Calderwood was bought in that we improved beyond recognition and again when McCall joined, when he was left on his own he was absolutely clueless and served up some of the worst football we have seen.

We have had the likes of Hendry, Ince, Worthington etc., but none of them as big a fraud as he is. When I say the start, O mean from when it was obvious which was after Mcall left, but you lot sit there happy that he was great, he wasn't he was utter shite.
99.9% were happy that he got us promoted and kept us in the Championship. Nobody is saying they thought he was great last season (and even with how poor we were away from home we nearly made the play offs) To suggest he was worse than some of the names mentioned above is absolute nonsense. It was absolutely the right time for a change and we are now seeing what the squad was probably always capable of.
You’ll be calling SS our worst ever owner next.
 
It was there in front of everyone like a fifty foot neon sign saying Critchley’s a ****

Some of us knew it from the start others could see it but wouldn’t believe it and some couldn’t see it at all.

He was a fraud, the worst manager we’ve had that I can remember and we’ve had some bad ones, but he got everything from a book or a classroom, he wasn’t a footballer and I am so happy he has gone. He will never be a successful manager at any level and will disappear into the back room somewhere next to the cones.

I didn’t want Bruce either, but I was wrong, he has freedom, no pressure, he can enjoy his twilight years as a manager and he looks like he’s enjoying it as much as the players and the coaches.
Good lord you talk some bollocks.
 
You weren't exactly Critchley's number one fan or have you forgotten?
I haven’t forgotten anything. I was always balanced in my opinion and certainly wasn’t calling for his head as soon as others. In fact, I can remember saying I wouldn’t pot him after a couple of the horrendous results against the bottom six last season.
Carry on making stuff up though 👍
 
99.9% were happy that he got us promoted and kept us in the Championship. Nobody is saying they thought he was great last season (and even with how poor we were away from home we nearly made the play offs) To suggest he was worse than some of the names mentioned above is absolute nonsense. It was absolutely the right time for a change and we are now seeing what the squad was probably always capable of.
You’ll be calling SS our worst ever owner next.
😂 I certainly won't be doing that! Cartmell and then the Stains, I doubt anyone could match either of them and as I have said many times SS has done some great things and some not so great things, mainly down to naivety and inexperience, certainly not maliciously, we'll be able to compare him the the next owner soon no doubt.

Critchley did well with experience next to him, as the out and out leader he was awful, he had last season, kept is steady at 8th but it takes some to lose the dressing room and to never change tactics all season when it was glaringly obvious they were shit. I've said we have had some terrible managers, we've had plenty as have all clubs, but for me, he was an imbecile.
 
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