Disgusted In Sadler

[585 = never give up]

I have some sympathy with that view. However, the East Stand may well be more tied into the early regeneration of Revoe, which might require its completion. Speculation on my part of course.

That makes sense 66.

• The current East stand won't get a safety certificate & will therefore close. This will impact on club revenue.
• BFC (with the council) have been given HMG funding towards the new stand & that will probably be date stamped.
• The Revoe community complex will be being used by BFC & the council will no doubt prefer the whole site to be completed.

 

[StAnnesExile]

I think one thing this thread shows is that no amount of money spent on the club will ever be enough for some people.

If SS had spent £20m on players in January, there would be people demanding he spends more in the summer.

The playing side has been a shambles this season, but it needs to be run sensibly, based on the reality of our situation. Also, there are countless examples of clubs chucking money at it and not being successful and getting into financial difficulty.

Hopefully, we'll go back to the model where we buy players who we improve, sell on, and reinvest that money into the club.

I'd prefer the model where we develop our own young players, who can perform at this level and who we sell on for huge fees occasionally.

 

[JJpool]

They'd lose some funding if they put it on hold. Essentially 6.5m I think @JJpool could clarify.

I think the Revoe money is time limited has to be spent or its lost, so the east has to happen in line with the Council's timescales. Along with the current east on its last legs and if condemned would leave us short.

 

[JJpool]

That makes sense 66.

• The current East stand won't get a safety certificate & will therefore close. This will impact on club revenue.
• BFC have been given HMG funding towards the new stand & that will probably be date stamped.
• The Revoe community complex is being used by BFC & the council will want the whole site to be completed.

I don't think the money is for the stand itself but the revoe redevelopment, pitches, will include demolition of houses but not funding of the east.

Sadler is putting 18m into it but that'll likely include some into the other areas, how much is anyone's guess, but the vast majority will be for the stand.

 

[TwelveAngryMen]

Agreed on this point - the training centre is of utmost importance if we want to develop home grown talent. The Pilley point is completely pertinent in that it seemed to spring up overnight - whereas we're still looking at an empty field on Garstang road - if the will was there then ground would have been broken by now.

One way to balance the books is to make the site work for you which doesn't currently seem to be an option

I understand Pilley turns a decent profit on Poolfoot by making it available to grassroots and also maximising the secondary spend of those there

Bearing in mind the dearth of football facilities in Blackpool a training ground available for public hire would be an instant ' cash cow '

Paying the money being quoted to build a TG without looking for some return even if it's just to defray against operating costs has always seemed a strange one to me

 

[clappers]

My main concern was how prickly he was in response to what I feel has been justifiable fan criticism over the Appleton appointment. He has my confidence for now, even if I am further concerned that cost is a major factor in scaling back the training ground and Bloomfield Road is now the priority but it may well have to be that way so he continues to get the benefit of the doubt.

If lessons are not learned about attitude to fans and delivery versus blue sky projects and the lack of experienced injury free quality players in key positions isn’t addressed then he will start to lose me and quite a few others I expect.

To draw comparison with Owen and Karl is way off beam at this point although I do appreciate the view that we were hoodwinked by Owen for far too long and we should consider whether we are being taken for a ride at this juncture.

Ultimately, we weren’t ready to go up, we survived a season and it fell apart when the coach left. We need to be better prepared in the future.

 

[Insider]

First and foremost we don’t need a ** training ground…

I disagree with you on that. Squires Gate isn't big enough to bring all parts of the Club together so we need another site.
What we don't need is to spend £30m building one.
Go and have a look at what Accy are developing. That's more or less big enough and it will have cost a fraction of £30m.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

I disagree with you on that. Squires Gate isn't big enough to bring all parts of the Club together so we need another site.
What we don't need is to spend £30m building one.
Go and have a look at what Accy are developing. That's more or less big enough and it will have cost a fraction of £30m.

It’s not an immediate priority though insider. The facilities at Squires Gate have been improved and are adequate for now.

Simon hasn’t said that the Training Ground isn’t going ahead, but rather that they need to find a way to bring the cost of the project down.

It’s not unreasonable to put such a large capital investment on hold, whilst material and construction costs are so high.

 

[clappers]

I disagree with you on that. Squires Gate isn't big enough to bring all parts of the Club together so we need another site.
What we don't need is to spend £30m building one.
Go and have a look at what Accy are developing. That's more or less big enough and it will have cost a fraction of £30m.

Well put. We’ve needed a new training ground for 30 years and we are already sliding into the familiar comfort zone of “Squires Gate will do, we’ve put some nicer portakbins in and spent a bit on pitches, we don’t need anything bigger” etc etc. at some point you need to invest in playing success properly. It’s very easy to announce massively expensive projects and then hide behind the excuse of rising costs. News flash…the longer you leave things the more they end up costing if you want something fit for the future.

 

[AngelBFC]

Herts, You have hit the nail on the head, My OP may have been an angry and passionate rant from a very depressed seasider but the intent was that we as fans cannot keep letting these fuck ups slip and need to call the owner and the board out for their mistakes otherwise history tells us whats happens if we become passive.

If you are that disgusted why don't you organise something ?

 

[airship salary]

Pretty unrealistic post in my opinion, without Simon we would be fcuked. Also if you were litigated against then you know me and my personal phone number. Prove your not just another trouble maker by texting me personally as to who you are, don’t worry it won’t go any further but at the moment I’m personally not impressed

Steve, I don't have your number, but yes you know me.

 

[AngelBFC]

Steve, I don't have your number, but yes you know me.

Why don't you DM him yours so he can text you ?

 

[Insider]

It’s not an immediate priority though insider. The facilities at Squires Gate have been improved and are adequate for now.

Simon hasn’t said that the Training Ground isn’t going ahead, but rather that they need to find a way to bring the cost of the project down.

It’s not unreasonable to put such a large capital investment on hold, whilst material and construction costs are so high.

There are only two pitches at SG and no all weather pitch. The Development Squad train at Grasshoppers the Youth Team at Arnold. That's not good enough.

 

[Briggs5]

I'd prefer the model where we develop our own young players, who can perform at this level and who we sell on for huge fees occasionally.

That's what I meant.

No doubt we should be doing better with the squad we've got though.

 

[Hazi]

Wage bill in Championship under O’s 4.5 mill, 12 mill today.
Training ground not scrapped just shelved whilst the world and economy settles, we are going to build the East Stand. We have come from receivership the lowest a club can fall to the Championship very quickly, SS has invested heavily already in the existing stadia and training ground as well as covering the covid losses, the club quite rightly tries to live within its means although he has had to dig deep already in his short tenure. The most horrendous injury plague that has run through the club ever is not SS fault and he has to pay every single one of them. Our player budget is plenty for where we are at, we have no given right to win football matches Nor stay in the league, as long as we try and I don’t think despite the mistakes/bad luck or a myriad of reasons along the way anyone can say SS hasn’t tried. If we go down que sera we Will come back stronger and will be far stronger in League 1 compared the when SS took over.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

There are only two pitches at SG and no all weather pitch. The Development Squad train at Grasshoppers the Youth Team at Arnold. That's not good enough.

It’s not ideal, but it’s not our main priority at the moment. It can wait

 

[Insider]

Training ground not scrapped just shelved

Where does this "fact" keep coming from?
Continuing the theme about reducing costs and my obsession with the Stanley Sports Hub

Home - Stanley Sports Hub

The Stanley Sports Hub is a state of the art £3.5m community facility developed and operated by Accrington Stanley Community Trust. Situated at Higham Playing Fields on Thorneyholme Road, Accrington, the Stanley Sports Hub provides fantastic indoor and outdoor facilities for many grassroots...

www.stanleysportshub.co.uk

It's a £2m community development. Think what you could get for £10m and don't waste the opportunity to get some return from it by involving the community.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Where does this "fact" keep coming from?
Continuing the theme about reducing costs and my obsession with the Stanley Sports Hub

Home - Stanley Sports Hub

The Stanley Sports Hub is a state of the art £3.5m community facility developed and operated by Accrington Stanley Community Trust. Situated at Higham Playing Fields on Thorneyholme Road, Accrington, the Stanley Sports Hub provides fantastic indoor and outdoor facilities for many grassroots...

www.stanleysportshub.co.uk

It's a £2m community development. Think what you could get for £10m and don't waste the opportunity to get some return from it by involving the community.

To be honest with you, the facilities we use at the minute are probably of a similar, if not higher standard than the Stanley facility.

If you’re going to do a job, then I think it pays to do it properly, rather than something half arsed

 

[Insider]

To be honest with you, the facilities we use at the minute are probably of a similar, if not higher standard than the Stanley facility.

If you’re going to do a job, then I think it pays to do it properly, rather than something half arsed

I've been to the Stanley Hub quite a few times this season. It's not finished yet btw. The facilties are far better than what we have. Yes I'd hope we could do better, which we can, without spending £28m more than Accy have.
I was speaking to a BFC employee (of some standing) whilst there who commented that what Accy have would do for us. Factamundo.
I'm in hospitality tonight. I might make a nuisance of myself asking questions.

 

[JJpool]

There are only two pitches at SG and no all weather pitch. The Development Squad train at Grasshoppers the Youth Team at Arnold. That's not good enough.

Yes going forward and long term we need better.

However it's been an unusual time with inflation and other factors making things especially expensive, that is apparently set to ease somewhat in the next year or 2.

 

[JJpool]

Where does this "fact" keep coming from?
Continuing the theme about reducing costs and my obsession with the Stanley Sports Hub

Home - Stanley Sports Hub

The Stanley Sports Hub is a state of the art £3.5m community facility developed and operated by Accrington Stanley Community Trust. Situated at Higham Playing Fields on Thorneyholme Road, Accrington, the Stanley Sports Hub provides fantastic indoor and outdoor facilities for many grassroots...

www.stanleysportshub.co.uk

It's a £2m community development. Think what you could get for £10m and don't waste the opportunity to get some return from it by involving the community.

Sadler said the TG was 22 million which seems a ridiculous amount.

Could easily scale it down or build in stages.

No idea how that figure is reached and what it comprises of, but you'd think to get a reasonable improvement on what we have, even in a staged build, then sell off SG for housing land or whatever.

There's the cheaper TG.

 

[TangerineBayern]

One way to balance the books is to make the site work for you which doesn't currently seem to be an option

I understand Pilley turns a decent profit on Poolfoot by making it available to grassroots and also maximising the secondary spend of those there

Bearing in mind the dearth of football facilities in Blackpool a training ground available for public hire would be an instant ' cash cow '

Paying the money being quoted to build a TG without looking for some return even if it's just to defray against operating costs has always seemed a strange one to me

It’s certainly not making any business sense and why wouldn’t any businessman want to maximise a return on his investment?

 

[WIZARD OF TANGERINE]

Wizard, I do. I have fought the fight once and I dont want to do it all again. My point is that we have BST now who are in a very strong position. If things start to tale a slippery path then they, and we as fans, need to step forward and demand answers from the owner before things get out of control. We have been filled with false promises previously and unfortunately I have a view on SS right now that I know not many share but I hope that i am proved wrong. Lets just say actions speak louder than words and he needs to act,

He needs to act . This is on top of the thousands that he has laid out for the temporary improvements of the training ground . The money has already used to sign players and pay their wages . The improvements to Bloomfield road itself . The money he must have had to pay to Appleton when sacking him early. The buying of properties on Back Henry Street that he needs to improve the East Stand . This is probably way you are in the minority with your post.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

I've been to the Stanley Hub quite a few times this season. It's not finished yet btw. The facilties are far better than what we have. Yes I'd hope we could do better, which we can, without spending £28m more than Accy have.
I was speaking to a BFC employee (of some standing) whilst there who commented that what Accy have would do for us. Factamundo.
I'm in hospitality tonight. I might make a nuisance of myself asking questions.

Well it looks shyte to me... And I can only base my opinion on the picture provided as I haven't been, but it looks to be done to a far lower standard build / finish / equipment quality to the development at AFC Fylde to me. Everything about the place smacks of cheapo.

We need to be setting our sights much higher than that...

The cost of the Training Ground as things stand was said to be £22M (not £30M) and the original budget was somewhere around the £12M mark. What was recorded in the minutes from the SD Meeting is simply that the Club need to find a way to do it cheaper than £22M. I'm not sure if anyone pressed them any further than that, so perhaps you could make a nuisance of yourself this evening and as the question,,,, What do they need to get it down to? and does that mean a change to the plans, waiting until we see a reduction in construction costs or something else?

 

[AngelBFC]

Pretty unrealistic post in my opinion, without Simon we would be fcuked. Also if you were litigated against then you know me and my personal phone number. Prove your not just another trouble maker by texting me personally as to who you are, don’t worry it won’t go any further but at the moment I’m personally not impressed

Steve, I don't have your number, but yes you know me.

Why don't you DM him yours so he can text you ?

airship ?

 

[Insider]

Well it looks shyte to me... And I can only base my opinion on the picture provided as I haven't been, but it looks to be done to a far lower standard build / finish / equipment quality to the development at AFC Fylde to me. Everything about the place smack of cheapo.

We need to be setting our sights much higher than that...

The cost of the Training Ground as things stand was said to be £22M (not £30M) and the original budget was somewhere around the £12M mark. What was recorded in the minutes from the SD Meeting is simply that the Club need to find a way to do it cheaper than £22M. I'm not sure if anyone pressed them any further than that, so perhaps you could make a nuisance of yourself this evening and as the question,,,, What do they need to get it down to? and does that mean a change to the plans, waiting until we see a reduction in construction costs or something else?

I'm not sure you've actually read anything I've said.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

I'm not sure you've actually read anything I've said.

I’ve read it, I’m just not sure you’ve quite digested the implications of what you have written in light of the facts.

You Said …

It's a £2m community development. Think what you could get for £10m and don't waste the opportunity to get some return from it by involving the community.

Well first and foremost, the Stanley Facility was completed at a time when the budgeted cost for our proposed facility was only £12M (so not much more than the £10M you mention) … That cost has since nearly doubled!! So our £10/12M (just like Accy’s £2M) doesn’t go so far anymore!!

As for the involvement in the community, I think that is a potential double edged sword and something that only SS and his Team can grapple with.

It’s all well and good renting out your facilities to the community, but that substantially reduces the attractiveness of the facility as an academy and training facility for the club itself….

SS may view a longer term ‘return’ as a preferred option and aim to recover his investment through player sales that result from in-house development.

I’m not saying that’s the right way to go, but I think it’s not unreasonable to raise the question as to whether we are a competing as a Football Club or with David Lloyd Leisure.

 

[hertfordseasider]

There were no credible alternative bidders…

Simple as that…

So let’s stop pretending and give ourselves a reality check.

It’s all well and good being critical (and some of its deserved) but at the same time let’s ensure that our criticism is grounded in a reasonable and realistic expectation too.

First and foremost we don’t need a ** training ground… The one that we have is perfectly adequate for the time being. So there’s no rush to go out and build one immediately…In fact it makes sense to sit the current situation out until such time as material and construction costs fall back into sensible parameters…It’s an absolute non-issue right now!

We do need to get the East Stand sorted … We have had ongoing problems with getting Away Fans quickly and safely in and out of the ground, we’re operating a reduced capacity and the existing facilities are on their last legs.

The council are providing assistance, the project is beneficial to the local community and therefore it makes total sense to prioritise this project for now…. Why are we criticising? When it’s 100% the right way to go ?

Next we have the obvious issues…

We have absolutely, categorically and completely fucked up with the recruitment process over the past year or two… Both player & manager recruitment has been abysmal and it looks very likely it will cost us our place in the Championship.

That is something that the board needs to grapple with. There’s nobody else to blame…However, it’s an issue that we simply can’t get away from and as supporters we have to be realistic about what is possible when trying to work within sensible budgetary constraints…

There are no mega rich suitors out there who are willing to throw away tens of millions to fund our club in the transfer markets….. That’s our reality…

Good post Daz and I agree with almost all of it apart from the "There wasn't anyone else out there to buy it" I thought there were interested parties and has Sadler not popped up someone else would have done. The rest of it I agree with. I also want Sadler to settle into the football side of it because he had had a bit of a mare in the last 18 months and as we know it's all gone a bit tits up, but he will/has. to learn. Relegation this season would be a real blow so the lack of investment in the squad and the clueless management appointments could, unless we miraculously avoid the drop could set us back years on the football front. I agree, we don't need a 22 million pound training ground, we need to establish the team and get the East Stand done for the reasons you outline. I have no idea how much it would cost to build a Fleetwood type training ground but it won't be 22 million and that seems to be perfectly decent.

 

[hertfordseasider]

Now I would be pissed at that....!!!

Pissed off please, we're not in America you know!

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

Good post Daz and I agree with almost all of it apart from the "There wasn't anyone else out there to buy it" I thought there were interested parties and has Sadler not popped up someone else would have done. The rest of it I agree with. I also want Sadler to settle into the football side of it because he had had a bit of a mare in the last 18 months and as we know it's all gone a bit tits up, but he will/has. to learn. Relegation this season would be a real blow so the lack of investment in the squad and the clueless management appointments could, unless we miraculously avoid the drop could set us back years on the football front. I agree, we don't need a 22 million pound training ground, we need to establish the team and get the East Stand done for the reasons you outline. I have no idea how much it would cost to build a Fleetwood type training ground but it won't be 22 million and that seems to be perfectly decent.

There was definitely no credible alternative … So I’m happy to be able to knock that one firmly on the head for you

 

[Insider]

Well first and foremost, the Stanley Facility was complete

It's not finished.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

It's not finished.

What’s left to be done?

 

[BIG_BERTHA_3]

One way to balance the books is to make the site work for you which doesn't currently seem to be an option

I understand Pilley turns a decent profit on Poolfoot by making it available to grassroots and also maximising the secondary spend of those there

Bearing in mind the dearth of football facilities in Blackpool a training ground available for public hire would be an instant ' cash cow '

Paying the money being quoted to build a TG without looking for some return even if it's just to defray against operating costs has always seemed a strange one to me

Something I have always said and its a great way to interact with fans of the future and present . BTW Tim do you know what profit Fleetwood make if any .
If Sadler is looking at keeping costs in control this should be avenue to explore .

 

[AngelBFC]

If you are that disgusted why don't you organise something ?

airship ?

 

[Mark_GT]

Here we are facing a make or break game and we have to read this. We had one credible bidder, our current league situation is far from ideal but this constant whinging and carping just isn't needed. Teams go up, teams go down. Mistakes are made, mistakes are rectified. The important thing is the the Club endures. Getting in the car now to drive across. COYP.

 

[tangerine_neil]

Couple of points then. Agree with BFC x3 that whilst I’d love to see a proper TG, the East stand & recruitment is the priority.
Maybe in the meantime they can re-evaluate the decision not to see a cash return from the TG. It’s not like we’re Man City / Chelsea etc and can afford to just chuck money about with no return. Fleetwood have set the model we should seek to emulate with their TG, and maybe they could also make it look less like a 1970’s style sports hall.

 

[Insider]

What’s left to be done?

The building and some work on the pitches.

 

[hertfordseasider]

Here we are facing a make or break game and we have to read this. We had one credible bidder, our current league situation is far from ideal but this constant whinging and carping just isn't needed. Teams go up, teams go down. Mistakes are made, mistakes are rectified. The important thing is the the Club endures. Getting in the car now to drive across. COYP.

I think it's because most of us are dreading the game tonight so it's best to not think about it! We are all desperately hoping for an attacking display and 3 points, but we all know how it will be in reality, so best to be distracted.

 

[BFC_53]

While he's committing significant sums of his own money in an effort to improve the club, I can forgive mistakes - even if it results in a relegation. I'm gutted, but equally each individual season needs to be looked at in the context of the longer term picture - for example I think many felt that the promotion in 20/21 was a surprise and happened far sooner than expected.
Progress isn't linear. Yes, we're still to see spades in the ground for either of the infrastructure projects, but personally I have far more faith in SS to deliver than I had the previous owners. They had 30 years, SS has had 4 and has had to fork out for a promotion season in which the club made little revenue due to Covid. Patience required I think.

 

[BFC_BFC_BFC]

The building and some work on the pitches.

So when you said you’ve seen it… What exactly have you seen?

A 3G Pitch?

And presumably if it was a £2M project back in 2019 (when it was announced)… Then it will have either a) Increased significantly in cost to complete b) been reduced in scale or c) Hit the buffers

 

[TwelveAngryMen]

Something I have always said and its a great way to interact with fans of the future and present . BTW Tim do you know what profit Fleetwood make if any .
If Sadler is looking at keeping costs in control this should be avenue to explore .

£1M pa I was told
Can believe it as well seeing how busy it always is
David Chell ( when at AFC ) told me the return on investment for a busy artificial pitch is 2years so it's not hard to see that there is money to be made particularly as PlayFootball has gone

 

[Billed]

I am not going to reveal my Identity but I will say that I played a pivotal part in the NAPM campaign and was unsuccessfully litigated against during the Oystons reign. Can someone please tell me why we are standing back and allowing our club to be run into the pits of the lower leagues again?

let's take some facts into account here, when OO took over he revealed plans for a new super stadium and training ground, those plans were false promises from a delusional man who had no intent. Fast forward to the present day and we find ourselves with an owner that whilst much more conservative in his plans has now announced that the training ground is being scrapped, this is a vital piece of the jigsaw for BFC. This is not good enough, managerial recruitment has been an utter shambles with the exception of the lucky procurement of Critchley. Squad investment is actually significantly less than a comparable period under the Oystons (2009/10 Championship seasons and 2011/12 Season). We waited far too long to stand up to owners last time that was ultimately judged on under-investment and false promises now it's starting all over again. How long do we as fans wait before we mandate BST to call an emergency to discuss the current owner and the false promises and lack of investment?

I have to say one thing stood out to me from the recent meeting minutes, despite the training ground being canceled, the lack of resources for the playing squad and the serious lack of funds for quality players to not only maintain championship status but be competitive, he still stated that he won't sell the club. Are we starting to see the whiff of another stubborn owner who won't look for investors for either partial or full ownership even if that is what is best for this club and us fans to help BFC achieve its highest achievable position?

Firstly, the training ground has only been put on the back burner for now, which makes complete sense. Why pay almost twice the price for its construction when the economic climate is sure to improve in the not too distant future? Besides, this development is exclusively for the use of Blackpool Football Club and not revenue generating like Fleetwood Towns Poolfoot Farm Complex.
Secondly, the club have moved to acquire players during the recent transfer windows, but have refused to pay over what they think is a fair price for them. Even when we have got our man the injury curse that appears to have been bestowed upon the club for much of this season strikes again. That is something completely out of the clubs control, and has been the one constant throughout this season.
With regards to the appointment of Appleton, there was logic applied to it prior to doing so, as it was Appleton's Lincoln City that were practically a coin flip from reaching the Championship ahead of Critchley when we faced them in the play off final, and had he been successful then the complaints about his appointment would be minimal.
Ultimately, this has been a poor season, with many unforeseen proverbial spanners being thrown in to knock us off track, however with Simon Sadler at the helm, the derailment will only be temporary, and his custodianship of our club bears absolutely NO resemblance to the one we had to endure for many years under the repellent Oyston Family.
It is easy to see after that ridiculous post why you wouldn't want to reveal your identity!

 

[hertfordseasider]

Firstly, the training ground has only been put on the back burner for now, which makes complete sense. Why pay almost twice the price for its construction when the economic climate is sure to improve in the not too distant future? Besides, this development is exclusively for the use of Blackpool Football Club and not revenue generating like Fleetwood Towns Poolfoot Farm Complex.
Secondly, the club have moved to acquire players during the recent transfer windows, but have refused to pay over what they think is a fair price for them. Even when we have got our man the injury curse that appears to have been bestowed upon the club for much of this season strikes again. That is something completely out of the clubs control, and has been the one constant throughout this season.
With regards to the appointment of Appleton, there was logic applied to it prior to doing so, as it was Appleton's Lincoln City that were practically a coin flip from reaching the Championship ahead of Critchley when we faced them in the play off final, and had he been successful then the complaints about his appointment would be minimal.
Ultimately, this has been a poor season, with many unforeseen proverbial spanners being thrown in to knock us off track, however with Simon Sadler at the helm, the derailment will only be temporary, and his custodianship of our club bears absolutely NO resemblance to the one we had to endure for many years under the repellent Oyston Family.
It is easy to see after that ridiculous post why you wouldn't want to reveal your identity!

Hi Ben

 

[TangerineandWhitePod]

Another loony OP. This place is a madhouse

 

[Charlie Gracie]

I am not going to reveal my Identity but I will say that I played a pivotal part in the NAPM campaign and was unsuccessfully litigated against during the Oystons reign. Can someone please tell me why we are standing back and allowing our club to be run into the pits of the lower leagues again?

let's take some facts into account here, when OO took over he revealed plans for a new super stadium and training ground, those plans were false promises from a delusional man who had no intent. Fast forward to the present day and we find ourselves with an owner that whilst much more conservative in his plans has now announced that the training ground is being scrapped, this is a vital piece of the jigsaw for BFC. This is not good enough, managerial recruitment has been an utter shambles with the exception of the lucky procurement of Critchley. Squad investment is actually significantly less than a comparable period under the Oystons (2009/10 Championship seasons and 2011/12 Season). We waited far too long to stand up to owners last time that was ultimately judged on under-investment and false promises now it's starting all over again. How long do we as fans wait before we mandate BST to call an emergency to discuss the current owner and the false promises and lack of investment?

I have to say one thing stood out to me from the recent meeting minutes, despite the training ground being canceled, the lack of resources for the playing squad and the serious lack of funds for quality players to not only maintain championship status but be competitive, he still stated that he won't sell the club. Are we starting to see the whiff of another stubborn owner who won't look for investors for either partial or full ownership even if that is what is best for this club and us fans to help BFC achieve its highest achievable position?

The training ground has not been scrapped. Read carefully what SS had to say about that.

 

[RambleFan]

Any anonymous keyboard warrior has an open invite to the next meeting, in fact Mansford has offered to pay for the hotel if necessary

 

[Mark_GT]

I think it's because most of us are dreading the game tonight so it's best to not think about it! We are all desperately hoping for an attacking display and 3 points, but we all know how it will be in reality, so best to be distracted.

Hmm

 

[hertfordseasider]

I can't be right all the time!! I'm still worried though even at 4-1

 

[Mexboroseasider]

Some threads just don’t age well.

 

[airship salary]

airship ?

There's an obsession for me to reveal myself despite me saying in my OP I wasn't going to, I put my Tin Hat on when I posted the OP and it might be a bit ranty but it was plee for fans to not just accept the word of the owner and chairman and to ensure we use our leverage as fans to keep pushing the owner to do right by the club and its fans.