JJpool
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I don't think he'll lose 3 more games....
Dobbie?
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King Suddick
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Hey hey hey Seasiders, hold your horses a bit will ye. That loudmouth schmuk Phil Ducks BFC hasn't told us yet what we should be thinking. Remember, he's always right and woe-betide any dummkopf who disagrees with him.
Seaseaseasider
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JJpool
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If he does lose 3, I don't see how he can continue. Losing games that aren't there is the final straw for me.Two
Seaseaseasider
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Yeah, think you've covered that already
JJpool
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Just putting down my red lines.Yeah, think you've covered that already
rememberlesshannon
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He's won 2 out of 4 and thrown in a great first half performance against WBA, when we were on the front foot. He's done this with the same half squad everyone else had. He's Blackpool, he gets it and He's got results, what more can he do ?
Opinionhated
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Onto Friday let’s see what happens!
rememberlesshannon
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He's Blackpool, he gets it, there is no stand out alternative, the fans will get behind him. It's a no brainer.
poolseasider
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Critchley had two assistants a lot of clubs do he even went to Villa in that role with McAllistar.
So why not Blinkhorn + Another?
Vince McLean
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Looks ideal to me. He's got the team playing and has instilled some confidence.
Pity he didn't get the job before Mick, but that's massive hindsight.
Pity he didn't get the job before Mick, but that's massive hindsight.
CSSeasider
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Good point. There's more than one way to bring in an experienced person though, so maybe both
Willie Mcgrotty
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Plus a decent first half at Luton.
We've been very in touch with every game he's been in charge.
TANGERINETOWERPOWER
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In my opinion he has done enough to stay on the coaching staff but I wouldnt want him as the main man. I dont think he has the experience to win enough games in league 1 to guarantee promotion and there are plenty of more qualified options for the club to consider.
We seem to have a fixation with former players and managers coming back and it really isnt a necessity.
If Dobbie didnt have the previous links with the club his appointment would send this board into meltdown. Lets be honest if he hadnt been given this caretaker role then he would have been lucky to get the AFC Fylde job let alone a league club.
I accept his stock has gone up but personally I think we should be looking elsewhere but find a job for him in a new set up.
I know this post wont be popular with those clamouring for his appointment but I just dont think hes ready for such a big gig.
We seem to have a fixation with former players and managers coming back and it really isnt a necessity.
If Dobbie didnt have the previous links with the club his appointment would send this board into meltdown. Lets be honest if he hadnt been given this caretaker role then he would have been lucky to get the AFC Fylde job let alone a league club.
I accept his stock has gone up but personally I think we should be looking elsewhere but find a job for him in a new set up.
I know this post wont be popular with those clamouring for his appointment but I just dont think hes ready for such a big gig.
1966_and_all_that
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With good management all season this squad would have been good enough. Right now we can see their bodies falling apart in front of our eyes.
voyeur
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I partly agree but what does ready mean? Grayson should have been ready. Appleton should have been ready. So should McCarthy. They just all had baggage. Lacked energy. All a bit washed up weren't they?
You could argue for Wellens or Nathan Jones of course. Maybe pair someone like that with Dobbie. Or get a Calderwood/McCall style of assistant for Dobbie.
You need energy as well as experience. Grayson did well first time here as a rookie, with some experienced support.
fcblackpool
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I think Dobbie will get it. The main reason will be that he's cheap compared to poaching a manager. He ticks some boxes, but it's a huge gamble.
He needs a No 2 appointing who has a strong mind.
He needs a No 2 appointing who has a strong mind.
LA1 Seasider
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At the beginning of the season we were looking at Liam Rosenior - an assistant manager at a League 1 club. He then went on to get the Derby job and now has turned Hull around from looking doomed to looking like a pretty good Championship team.
Dobbie had a long career at many clubs. Was a captain and leader at QoTS. Took the AFC Fylde youth team on an incredible run (what was essentially a brand new set up) and has done excellent things with our youth/development squad (which is again a brand new set up). If we wait for these coaches to get experienced then the reality is that we’re gonna miss out on bringing the best up and coming coaches to the club because bigger clubs and bigger budgets will come calling.
We don’t need experience. Grayson, Appleton and McCarthy had experience. We need to be risk takers, forging our own path and leading the way.
Vince McLean
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And therein lies the problem. There's no guarantee with any manager, sometimes a lucky break is what's needed. Jose Mourinho started as an English coaching translator for El Tel or Bobby Robson at Barca I recall - there was no expectation. The proof of the pudding and all that - and Dobbie looks competent to me - so why not?
Seasidedaz
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I’ve said all season the issues are bigger than just poor management. Recruitment last summer was a total mess, there is something seriously wrong with our player prep and conditioning as the number of hamstring injuries this season is ridiculous and it’s takes months to get players fit again. We then cannot seem to keep them fit e.g Keshi. Add it all together and it’s a recipe for disaster which it has turned out to be.
tangysider
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Probably Blinkhorn
If it works it works
Director of Football could be the experienced role
TANGERINETOWERPOWER
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Interesting that people talk about Dobbie as taking a risk and a huge gamble...surely we need to formulate a strategy for the club to eliminate those factors and to shift gear from reverse to forward. Its a massive massive rebuilding task next year and Im just not sure Dobbie is the answer.
tangysider
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Phil is currently working on a thread telling us why Dobbie is the answer, guaranteed double ton
Insider
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It's not an unreasonable view and plenty of top players have gone back to the Club they played for and failed spectacularly as the Manager.
So appointing a Manager on that basis alone would be foolish.
I'm not sure who's in the frame for the Blackpool job (although it seems lots of other former players are fancied) but I would be disappointed if Dobbie isn't one of them.
If he's the best man for the job then he should be appointed, if he's not then hopefully that will be the right decision.
Blackpool_Gaz
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Yep, you just know. If Dobs does turn out to be the right manager, then fecking back him up, BFC. Holloway and Critchley were not backed before they left. Mind you, you've got to have a board who know what they are doing first
Loco
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Don't forget the good first half at Luton too.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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I’m glad you’ve posted that @TANGERINETOWERPOWER as I do think it’s very easy to get sucked in with the tide of enthusiasm, particularly when we are talking about a popular ex-player.
There’s no question that both Dobbie and Blinks love the Club and their energy and enthusiasm has undoubtedly had a very positive effect in the dressing room. I think we’re also playing better football too. He’s also made some very brave decisions (dropping a very senior player in Maxwell & bringing in Brad Holmes)..
As things stand, I’m probably a bit more on the fence than you are, but I’m still very uncertain about whether we can afford to go with such an inexperienced manager, given the importance of the task ahead.
We need a complete squad rebuild and to find a route out of L1 as quickly as possible and that carries a big responsibility, a lot of pressure and may demand more attributes. I was slightly concerned that we possibly got outflanked in the second halves vs Wigan & WBA, but in fairness our options with this squad are limited.
On the plus side, it’s possible that Dobbie (particularly if he were open to drafting in Thommo alongside) would offer more stability in that area. We would have individuals who genuinely respect and understand our club at the helm and that brings a lot of advantages.
Of course, if Simon chooses to look elsewhere, then that will be his decision, but if nothing else, this has shown that the future of our development players is in very good hands.
What I will say is that I do think, in both Appleton and McCarthy, we had two blokes who didn’t really want to be here….
Appleton for me is a manager who always feels like he’s just passing through on his way to the imaginary ‘better job’ that his inbuilt Manchester United arrogance has led him to believe he is destined for. He just doesn’t get Blackpool and we don’t get him.
With, McCarthy we were just a small club daft enough to give him one more pay cheque and it was not a job he had a passion for.
I think whoever we get this next time, they must really want to be here…not because there’s no other options available to them. They need to be passionate about Blackpool, enthusiastic about the opportunity and driven to deliver success (despite the obvious budgetary limitations). And whilst I take your point about ex-players, we could do a lot worse that SD
There’s no question that both Dobbie and Blinks love the Club and their energy and enthusiasm has undoubtedly had a very positive effect in the dressing room. I think we’re also playing better football too. He’s also made some very brave decisions (dropping a very senior player in Maxwell & bringing in Brad Holmes)..
As things stand, I’m probably a bit more on the fence than you are, but I’m still very uncertain about whether we can afford to go with such an inexperienced manager, given the importance of the task ahead.
We need a complete squad rebuild and to find a route out of L1 as quickly as possible and that carries a big responsibility, a lot of pressure and may demand more attributes. I was slightly concerned that we possibly got outflanked in the second halves vs Wigan & WBA, but in fairness our options with this squad are limited.
On the plus side, it’s possible that Dobbie (particularly if he were open to drafting in Thommo alongside) would offer more stability in that area. We would have individuals who genuinely respect and understand our club at the helm and that brings a lot of advantages.
Of course, if Simon chooses to look elsewhere, then that will be his decision, but if nothing else, this has shown that the future of our development players is in very good hands.
What I will say is that I do think, in both Appleton and McCarthy, we had two blokes who didn’t really want to be here….
Appleton for me is a manager who always feels like he’s just passing through on his way to the imaginary ‘better job’ that his inbuilt Manchester United arrogance has led him to believe he is destined for. He just doesn’t get Blackpool and we don’t get him.
With, McCarthy we were just a small club daft enough to give him one more pay cheque and it was not a job he had a passion for.
I think whoever we get this next time, they must really want to be here…not because there’s no other options available to them. They need to be passionate about Blackpool, enthusiastic about the opportunity and driven to deliver success (despite the obvious budgetary limitations). And whilst I take your point about ex-players, we could do a lot worse that SD
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tangysider
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The board have not been very good at picking the best man for the job, let the fans decide.
Another candidate may come forward and give a polished interview, but would never have Dobbie’s passion for the club.
Also if Dobbie continues to shine, but does not get the job, whoever did would be dogfood if results went against them and we would be back to square 1.
tangysider
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Not sure total rebuild would be required in L1I’m glad you’ve posted that TTP as I do think it’s very easy to get sucked in with the tide of enthusiasm, particularly when we are talking about a popular ex-player.
There’s no question that both Dobbie and Blinks love the Club and their energy and enthusiasm has undoubtedly had a very positive effect in the dressing room. I think we’re also playing better football too. He’s also made some very brave decisions (dropping a very senior player in Maxwell & bringing in Brad Holmes)..
As things stand, I’m probably a bit more on the fence than you are, but I’m still very uncertain about whether we can afford to go with such an inexperienced manager, given the importance of the task ahead.
We need a complete squad rebuild and to find a route out of L1 as quickly as possible and that carries a big responsibility, a lot of pressure and may demand more attributes. I was slightly concerned that we possibly got outflanked in the second halves vs Wigan & WBA, but in fairness our options with this squad are limited.
On the plus side, it’s possible that Dobbie (particularly if he were open to drafting in Thommo alongside) would offer more stability in that area. We would have individuals who genuinely respect and understand our club at the helm and that brings a lot of advantages.
Of course, if Simon chooses to look elsewhere, then that will be his decision, but if nothing else, this has shown that the future of our development players is in very good hands.
What I will say is that I do think in both Appleton and McCarthy I do think we had two blokes who didn’t really want to be here….
Appleton for me is a manager who always feels like he’s just passing through on his way to the imaginary ‘better job’ that his inbuilt Manchester United arrogance has led him to believe he is destined for. He just doesn’t get Blackpool and we don’t get him.
With, McCarthy we were just a small club daft enough to give him one more pay check and it was not a job he had a passion for.
I think whoever we get this next time, they must really want to be here…not because there’s no other options available to them. They need to be passionate about Blackpool, enthusiastic about the opportunity and driven to deliver success (despite the obvious budgetary limitations). And whilst I take your point about ex-players, we could do a lot worse that SD
Good tall keeper
If Thorniley leaves maybe a cb if Tharme and Casey not good enough
Attacking midfield to replace loans but Apter will get game time plus returning Dale.
Up front even if Jerry leaves we have Lavery, Beesley, Holmes need at least 1 more.
Other development squad players are likely to get game time under Dobbie
BFC_BFC_BFC
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I still maintain that Rosenior was the outstanding candidate for the role here. It was a massive mistake to allow such a fantastic candidate to slip though our fingers.
He was almost certainly the brains behind the figurehead during Rooney’s time as manager of Derby and in my view wasn’t even a gamble. The lad has far to much in his locker not to have been successful and is streets ahead of idiots like Appleton and McCarthy already.
Biggest mistake of the season imho
585 = never give up
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If Blinks didn't go as Dobbs No2 (due to needing someone with vast experience), he would be in an ideal position to take Dobbs position as Senior Professional Development Phase Coach.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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So a complete rebuild then
We also need to re-establish the long term plan / strategy and get ourselves back on track and (assuming we are in L1) the Club also needs to be looking at a creative pricing strategy to significantly increase our fanbase…
Longer Term we need to be drawing at least 15,000 HOME fans at Championship level and that isn’t going to happen with the current approach to pricing…
JJpool
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We'll have to wait and see, he may want to be one of the coaches, should the opportunity come around. Or he may like development of youngsters. Who knows.
BFC_53
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It isn't going to happen with the current approach to east stand development either.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Why?
BFC_53
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Because we'd need something bigger than what seems to be currently planned.
JJpool
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Well, let's assume the east is like for like and at some point there's a ne corner.
That makes our capacity aprox 1k more than now, 17.6 ish, but we can them use far more of it.
If we had home fan capacity, we could then potentially get 14.5k home fans and a full away end of about 2k+ ish. (Or other combinations of less or more)
That's about where we'd like to be.
If we did go down and hit the right price point, had a decent season but didn't quite go up, but built the east stand, then season after got promoted, with fans in attendance, that would significantly help in growing the fanbase. Especially with the new feel with a completed stadium.
Whether in league 1 or the championship we just need to be getting people through the door, if we have any ambition of getting bigger crowds.
We put prices up way too soon, we hadn't yet built up the fanbase.
It's probably easier in league 1 as you can have an affordable price and also when you do get promoted, you have the success needed to draw the masses, with the hope them that for many it sticks. But it's possible in the championship too, as clubs have shown with a lower price strategy.
That makes our capacity aprox 1k more than now, 17.6 ish, but we can them use far more of it.
If we had home fan capacity, we could then potentially get 14.5k home fans and a full away end of about 2k+ ish. (Or other combinations of less or more)
That's about where we'd like to be.
If we did go down and hit the right price point, had a decent season but didn't quite go up, but built the east stand, then season after got promoted, with fans in attendance, that would significantly help in growing the fanbase. Especially with the new feel with a completed stadium.
Whether in league 1 or the championship we just need to be getting people through the door, if we have any ambition of getting bigger crowds.
We put prices up way too soon, we hadn't yet built up the fanbase.
It's probably easier in league 1 as you can have an affordable price and also when you do get promoted, you have the success needed to draw the masses, with the hope them that for many it sticks. But it's possible in the championship too, as clubs have shown with a lower price strategy.
Insider
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I agree with you (for once) about Rosenior but he was also inexperienced.I still maintain that Rosenior was the outstanding candidate for the role here. It was a massive mistake to allow such a fantastic candidate to slip though our fingers.
He was almost certainly the brains behind the figurehead during Rooney’s time as manager of Derby and in my view wasn’t even a gamble. The lad has far to much in his locker not to have been successful and is streets ahead of idiots like Appleton and McCarthy already.
Biggest mistake of the season imho
kerrytangerine
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Plus don't forget Matty Virtue on loan at Lincoln and Reece James at the Massive. Both would be good additions to the squad in Division 1, in my opinion.
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Ffs
LA1 Seasider
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*If* Dobbie keeps us up I’m not sure the board really can look elsewhere. The likelihood is we’re a League 1 club next season though and I think Dobbie needs to be given time to think about whether he wants to take on the Blackpool job in that particular circumstance. I think the dream scenario of staying up is actually the much easier job / transition for him. Going down will likely require a rebuild and there won’t be quite the wave of optimism to ride either. There will also be much much higher expectations of immediate results in League 1 than there would be in the Championship and any mistakes / nativity by a new head coach would be punished in League 1 to a greater extent as those expectations would be that bit higher.
Whilst everyone wants the top job ultimately I think a bit of patience and maybe sitting back as a no.2 / go to caretaker with a view to being the clubs long term succession plan and with a generation of youth talent in the first team squad and at your disposal could be a smarter option. If I were the board I’d probably want to be thinking about that long term succession just as much as the immediate managerial appointment too - as nothing is guaranteed. Whatever division we end up in, if Dobbie isn’t the answer and it all goes wrong for him then we’re maybe left in tricker place trying to replace him than if we bring in someone else and have Dobbie to replace them.
Whilst everyone wants the top job ultimately I think a bit of patience and maybe sitting back as a no.2 / go to caretaker with a view to being the clubs long term succession plan and with a generation of youth talent in the first team squad and at your disposal could be a smarter option. If I were the board I’d probably want to be thinking about that long term succession just as much as the immediate managerial appointment too - as nothing is guaranteed. Whatever division we end up in, if Dobbie isn’t the answer and it all goes wrong for him then we’re maybe left in tricker place trying to replace him than if we bring in someone else and have Dobbie to replace them.
Adams Kebab
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Think it’s easier for Dobbie at the moment because there’s no pressure on him and we have to go out and attack.
That said he’s done much better than the “vastly experienced” Mick McCarthy and TC which just shows that sometimes experience means the square root of nothing if you don’t understand modern football and the only way you get it is by doing the job.
Dobbie has set the team up to win and picked & dropped players that half of Avftt called. It’s really not rocket science sometimes football, round pegs in round holes and pick a system to suit your players.
Experience is great but not so much if you’re actually incompetent & clueless, eg. Grayson (latter months) and McCarthy and good old Terry ‘get a tune’ Connor.
We’ve seen the job that Kieron McKenna has done at Ipswich, zero management experience. We were linked with Eric Ramsey & people had a meltdown cos he’s not got experience.
We need to decide what we are and what we want to do. Then we pick a manager to suit this & give time to adopt a playing style. I’ve seen more in two home games from Dobbie than I did that useless old duffer served up in 14.
I don’t know if Dobbie is the answer, but he’s worked under Holloway & Rodgers so he’ll like to adopt an expansive style. I want to see a manager who plays that. There’s no guarantees in football whoever you appoint, we just need to go for the best available option to suit us and our squad and not be swayed by the myth of experience.
We’ve fell for that hook, line and sinker in 2 possibly 3 of our last 4 appointments.
That said he’s done much better than the “vastly experienced” Mick McCarthy and TC which just shows that sometimes experience means the square root of nothing if you don’t understand modern football and the only way you get it is by doing the job.
Dobbie has set the team up to win and picked & dropped players that half of Avftt called. It’s really not rocket science sometimes football, round pegs in round holes and pick a system to suit your players.
Experience is great but not so much if you’re actually incompetent & clueless, eg. Grayson (latter months) and McCarthy and good old Terry ‘get a tune’ Connor.
We’ve seen the job that Kieron McKenna has done at Ipswich, zero management experience. We were linked with Eric Ramsey & people had a meltdown cos he’s not got experience.
We need to decide what we are and what we want to do. Then we pick a manager to suit this & give time to adopt a playing style. I’ve seen more in two home games from Dobbie than I did that useless old duffer served up in 14.
I don’t know if Dobbie is the answer, but he’s worked under Holloway & Rodgers so he’ll like to adopt an expansive style. I want to see a manager who plays that. There’s no guarantees in football whoever you appoint, we just need to go for the best available option to suit us and our squad and not be swayed by the myth of experience.
We’ve fell for that hook, line and sinker in 2 possibly 3 of our last 4 appointments.
tangysider
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Sounds like 4 or possibly 5 players to me which is not a total rebuild, and of course getting rid of the deadwood. Not like under Oystons when I think we had 9 players in the summerSo a complete rebuild then
We also need to re-establish the long term plan / strategy and get ourselves back on track and (assuming we are in L1) the Club also needs to be looking at a creative pricing strategy to significantly increase our fanbase…
Longer Term we need to be drawing at least 15,000 HOME fans at Championship level and that isn’t going to happen with the current approach to pricing…
Toastrack
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If that's the case, we've got to get him.
Ideally as Director of Football, SS's strategic advisor, his much needed go-to man with first hand managerial / coaching experience (and the fact that he's head of recruitment at Oldham suggests he's happy now to move away from being on the touchline).
Plus at 58yo, he could give years of invaluable service in that role.
Alternatively, if it's mutually agreeable, yes he'd be a great assistant manager.
Whatever......
#GetThommo
fcblackpool
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Exp needs to be on the touchline if you hire Dobbie.