Dominated and Outplayed

Ockers

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Sums it up perfectly for me

Aside from to add that Patino is a class player (if he gets the time)

And we need a plan B aside from Bowler
 

Wilburrabbit

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Simple reality check. We just scraped through last Saturday but were found lacking today. Not the end of the world but we are changing our style of play and need the right players for Appleton to do that. Clearly we need further reinforcements.

What is clear is we need a striker(s) to be able to compete and I’m afraid we can’t keep making excuses for Jerry but a main goal scorer he ain’t.
 

JJpool

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Why’s patino not starting when he’s the best player in the stadium ?

We need Callum back in CDM ASAP

Fiorini not good enough
Virtue not good enough

We need a striker that can score

Carey had to score first half to make it 1-0 Blackpool

Bowler had to score second half to make it 1-1
Carey had 2 didn't he, one where he could have hit it but hesitated and chance gone, the other he could have scored or he had to hit Jerry with the cross, he hit the cross just too far from Yates.
 

Chunkylad

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Early season. Outplayed yes but in a panic, no.

Always strange results early on Aug and September (Fulham wouldn’t hold Liverpool in November and our play them) although I think Stoke will be top ten with their size and Gayle up front.
 

milo janus

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We are way too lightweight in midfield need a beast in there we did last year and it’s not improved upfront shame we lost out on simms we need power and pace defence will be fine when Gabriel returns
 

Ockers

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We are way too lightweight in midfield need a beast in there we did last year and it’s not improved upfront shame we lost out on simms we need power and pace defence will be fine when Gabriel returns
Gabriel back as a right back and Connolly as our player that does the dirty stuff so well, much better that Dougall (who I actually like)

By no means today am I saying we're screwed, just need to rely less on Bowler to give us other options

Stoke good value for their win today.
 

Insider

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I agree we were dominated and outplayed today and I'll add out thought which applies to the Manager. Stoke are a big strong physical side so we shouldn't have started with 2 "lightweight" mid-fielders and specifically Fiorini as the "No. 6". (What next?? Rob Apter at RB?? 😉).
Whilst I'm not one for tinkering and changing systems today needed a tweak from last Saturday. Definitely still short of a striker, an experienced central mid-fielder and cover at RB.
 

BigHandsOliverKahn

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I agree we were dominated and outplayed today and I'll add out thought which applies to the Manager. Stoke are a big strong physical side so we shouldn't have started with 2 "lightweight" mid-fielders and specifically Fiorini as the "No. 6". (What next?? Rob Apter at RB?? 😉).
Whilst I'm not one for tinkering and changing systems today needed a tweak from last Saturday. Definitely still short of a striker, an experienced central mid-fielder and cover at RB.
Interesting to reflect how much grief Critchley got for changing the side according to opposition.
 

BFC_BFC_BFC

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Interesting to reflect how much grief Critchley got for changing the side according to opposition.
The willingness to be pragmatic and attention to detail was how we got the most out of pretty limited resources last season. Whether or not we have the quality to impose ourselves on the opposition remains to be seen I suppose. My initial thoughts going into this season were that the "We're not entertained enough" crew might well be in for a rude awakening. Fortunately we do seem to have brought in some additional players and hopefully things will work out.
 

Insider

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Interesting to reflect how much grief Critchley got for changing the side according to opposition.
Indeed it is. Let's not forget that Quitch wasn't all bad.
There was probably only one change that we could have made today and that was Dougall for Carey. Tactically I'd have played Kenny and Matty as No.6's and given Fiorini a bit more freedom as the No.8. Stoke made the pitch look very narrow which didn't suit Bowler and negated his impact.
TTV packed up here in Albania on about 80mins so I couldn't see the impact that Patino made.
 

WIZARD OF TANGERINE

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Why’s patino not starting when he’s the best player in the stadium ?

We need Callum back in CDM ASAP

Fiorini not good enough
Virtue not good enough

We need a striker that can score

Carey had to score first half to make it 1-0 Blackpool

Bowler had to score second half to make it 1-1
What a question that is . He may not have been match fit , or up to speed with the other players . Oh and he has never played a championship league game before . Oh ,it may be that Stoke were a bunch of giant bruisers and we didn't want him injured for the rest of the season . We have already lost Madine.
 

1966_and_all_that

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The willingness to be pragmatic and attention to detail was how we got the most out of pretty limited resources last season. Whether or not we have the quality to impose ourselves on the opposition remains to be seen I suppose. My initial thoughts going into this season were that the "We're not entertained enough" crew might well be in for a rude awakening. Fortunately we do seem to have brought in some additional players and hopefully things will work out.
We've brought in ball players - that's good. But, we also need muscle.
 

BH2211

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I’m not worried yet, remember it’s a marathon not a sprint, I think we’ll be fine this season, just need a RB cover, an experienced CM and a ST. Get rid a load of deadwood and we’ll do ok, Roll on Barrow UTMP 🍊
 

Northstandsinger

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What a question that is . He may not have been match fit , or up to speed with the other players . Oh and he has never played a championship league game before . Oh ,it may be that Stoke were a bunch of giant bruisers and we didn't want him injured for the rest of the season . We have already lost Madine.
So you don’t play someone incase they get injured ? Then why bring him on at all. What a stupid post don’t even know why I’ve replied to such nonsense.
 

1966_and_all_that

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Sounds like we need to up our game all over the park. Strikers are the most obvious because they get the goals. You can be facing giants all over the pitch but if you're peppering their goal they will be nervous as hell. And yes, that bit is very much missing.
 

midfield general

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I agree we were dominated and outplayed today and I'll add out thought which applies to the Manager. Stoke are a big strong physical side so we shouldn't have started with 2 "lightweight" mid-fielders and specifically Fiorini as the "No. 6". (What next?? Rob Apter at RB?? 😉).
Whilst I'm not one for tinkering and changing systems today needed a tweak from last Saturday. Definitely still short of a striker, an experienced central mid-fielder and cover at RB.
Oops, manager keeps a winning side it can only end in disaster.
 

1950`spoolfan

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What is clear is we need a striker(s) to be able to compete and I’m afraid we can’t keep making excuses for Jerry but a main goal scorer he ain’t.
I`ve been making that point about Yates at this level since very early last season and said at the time when he had scored 5 (including two penalties and 2 tap ins)that he would not score even half the 18 he had scored in League 1, much to the astonishment of many on here who were desperate to bet me on that. He ended up with a desultory 8 (including 3 pens.)

I can`t understand why so many blind fans on here can`t see this. His previous goal scoring record at this Championship level with Rotherham was also very poor.

I thought Lavery may well be a much better prospect after his early games with us but as has been said elsewhere he has not nearly reached his early levels since his injury.

We desperately need a striker who does actually strike.
 

BFC_BFC_BFC

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I`ve been making that point about Yates at this level since very early last season and said at the time when he had scored 5 (including two penalties and 2 tap ins)that he would not score even half the 18 he had scored in League 1, much to the astonishment of many on here who were desperate to bet me on that. He ended up with a desultory 8 (including 3 pens.)

I can`t understand why so many blind fans on here can`t see this. His previous goal scoring record at this Championship level with Rotherham was also very poor.

I thought Lavery may well be a much better prospect after his early games with us but as has been said elsewhere he has not nearly reached his early levels since his injury.

We desperately need a striker who does actually strike.
As I've said to you before... Those "Blind Fans" have the advantage of actually attending games.... Yates works extremely hard, contributes a lot to the team overall and with the right service will bang them in.
 

1950`spoolfan

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As I've said to you before... Those "Blind Fans" have the advantage of actually attending games.... Yates works extremely hard, contributes a lot to the team overall and with the right service will bang them in.
He works hard but sadly he lacks most the main requirements of a successful striker , the positional flair to sniff out goal scoring abilities, good in the air exceptional pace and a clinical finisher and at this stage it`s highly unlikely he will ever acquire any of those skills. Nor is he one who has the vision to open up a defence with assists for his team mates.

Hard work though respected will never be enough without significant talent especially as a striker, which he demonstrably does not have.
 
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Woodyrun

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3 points last week simply painted over the cracks, a poor Reading team battered us second half. Today we were really poor other than a 10 minute spell second half, we didn't have a single shot on target, we were overrun in midfield and Appleton didn't bother changing tactics.
And reading beat Cardiff today ?
Cardiff beat Norwich last week 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

BFC_BFC_BFC

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He works hard but sadly he lacks most the main requirements of a successful striker , the positional flair to sniff out goal scoring abilities, good in the air exceptional pace and a clinical finisher and at this stage it`s highly unlikely he will ever acquire any of those skills. Nor is he one who has the ability to opensup a defence with assists for his team mates.

Hard work though respected will never be enough without significant talent which he does not have.

 

Wilburrabbit

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I`ve been making that point about Yates at this level since very early last season and said at the time when he had scored 5 (including two penalties and 2 tap ins)that he would not score even half the 18 he had scored in League 1, much to the astonishment of many on here who were desperate to bet me on that. He ended up with a desultory 8 (including 3 pens.)

I can`t understand why so many blind fans on here can`t see this. His previous goal scoring record at this Championship level with Rotherham was also very poor.

I thought Lavery may well be a much better prospect after his early games with us but as has been said elsewhere he has not nearly reached his early levels since his injury.

We desperately need a striker who does actually strike.
I’ve made the same points. If he played wide left in a three with a recognised goal scorer in the middle we might replicate his season with Doyle at Swindon but on his own he offers little threat to defenders. Can’t fault his work rate but that’s not what he’s there for.
 

1950`spoolfan

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He was more a victim of Critchley`s assessment as the s
He was credited with 3 assists last season, though his contribution to the team certainly goes beyond that. Unfortunately Jerry was a casualty of the system last year, but still worked his socks off and did a job for the team.... You don't get to see that on the Telly so much.
He was more a victim of Critchley`s assessment as the season progressed that as a striker he was increasingly not good enough to start or indeed even come on at all sometimes despite our lack of a regular goal scorer.
 

C_C_C_Cider

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He works hard but sadly he lacks most the main requirements of a successful striker , the positional flair to sniff out goal scoring abilities, good in the air exceptional pace and a clinical finisher and at this stage it`s highly unlikely he will ever acquire any of those skills. Nor is he one who has the vision to open up a defence with assists for his team mates.

Hard work though respected will never be enough without significant talent especially as a striker, which he demonstrably does not have.
Yates , div 1 player at best, same as lavery and Madine.
 

Wilburrabbit

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We clearly need a striker and the clubs attempt to sign Bishop and Simms show that Appleton feels the same. That and a right back so Connolly can move to his best position in CM.

If we achieve those two I feel we will be good to go.
 
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