Eat out to help out

Lost Seasider said:
A percentage of what? Tests performed? That makes no sense because more people getting sick means more tests are requested and performed and thus more positive cases are found.
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But they are testing people en masse in Liverpool and other hotspots, ill or not.
 
Poultongirl said:
More people catch colds / Covid/flu from piling on public transport to and from work and then when they get to work than anywhere.
licensed premises probably account for a very small percentage regardless of what any boffin or his dodgy stats say.
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Unfortunately I think ‘licensed premises’ are going to be a long term casualty of this virus. It’s obvious that hanging around for long periods in those types of places is going to be a significant risk and I think it will take a long time (even with a vaccine) to regain public confidence.
 
The case numbers today come as a bit of a surprise. According to the sampling data and also the C-19 app the case numbers have been steadily dropping for well over a week.
 
20togo said:
it's the fact people are going out that will/might cause a spike. Until there is a vaccine then surely the only solution is total lockdown. Otherwise there will be spikes. This last spike hasn't been caused by the eat out offer in August has it?

And founts - the scenes caused at throw out time weren't to do with eat out were they? That's my point. I can't say for certain but I'd suggest the recent spike has far more to do with pub culture than any implemented eat out scheme. If the Gov't want us to come out of lockdown and try to get things back to normal, then people will return to pubs and restaurants. Everyone of course has the right to not to use them and hopefully lessen the risk to themselves. And as I said there was still that other 20% and even though those stats weren't known then it didn't stop Wiz going to a football match did it?
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There was far better social distancing in the ground than anywhere else I've been.
 
I’ll give you another instance the M.D of a company my mate works for contracted the virus. They asked where he caught it from, his wife was the answer. A few days later in transpired they’d had a large family and friends party and everyone has now tested positive.
Forgot to say one of their children is a schoolteacher and the other is at University. I wonder how it they all caught it?
 
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Old_Laytonian said:
I’ll give you another instance the M.D of a company my mate works for contracted the virus. They asked where he caught it from, his wife was the answer. A few days later in transpired they’d had a large family and friends party and everyone has now tested positive.
Forgot to say one of their children is a schoolteacher and the other is at University. I wonder how it they all caught it?
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Cool story bro
 
Old_Laytonian said:
I’ll give you another instance the M.D of a company my mate works for contracted the virus. They asked where he caught it from, his wife was the answer. A few days later in transpired they’d had a large family and friends party and everyone has now tested positive.
Forgot to say one of their children is a schoolteacher and the other is at University. I wonder how it they all caught it?
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Hypocrites everywhere. Some are just more honest about it than others. It's always somebody else's fault.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The case numbers today come as a bit of a surprise. According to the sampling data and also the C-19 app the case numbers have been steadily dropping for well over a week.
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It does seem a bit odd, my first thought was it was a pre-lockdown blowout, but there's no obvious correlation between the testing and the cases, most of today's figure seems to be from specimens taken on Monday, but that was the lowest day since the previous Monday.

In fact I've spotted something very odd, Monday seems to be the day of the week that performs the lowest number of tests but still gets the highest number of cases for that week, is it a flaw in the figures or some kind of human behavioural factor?


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The pattern seems to be repeated in all 4 nations and across the English regions so my instinct is human behaviour rather than data error.
 
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Poultongirl said:
More people catch colds / Covid/flu from piling on public transport to and from work and then when they get to work than anywhere.
licensed premises probably account for a very small percentage regardless of what any boffin or his dodgy stats say.
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Don’t forget schools !
 
Archibald Knox said:
Why don’t they have a complete two-week plus lockdown from Saturday 19th Dec to Monday 4th January? A fair few would not necessarily be working then anyway. Oh... I forgot... not being able to visit family for Christmas would cost Bozo his job.
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To be fair only Santa Claus has to visit more children than Boris at Christmas
 
Lost Seasider said:
It does seem a bit odd, my first thought was it was a pre-lockdown blowout, but there's no obvious correlation between the testing and the cases, most of today's figure seems to be from specimens taken on Monday, but that was the lowest day since the previous Monday.

In fact I've spotted something very odd, Monday seems to be the day of the week that performs the lowest number of tests but still gets the highest number of cases for that week, is it a flaw in the figures or some kind of human behavioural factor?


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The pattern seems to be repeated in all 4 nations and across the English regions so my instinct is human behaviour rather than data error.
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You can never take one day in isolation, you have to do a 7 day rolling average.
 
Lost Seasider said:
It does seem a bit odd, my first thought was it was a pre-lockdown blowout, but there's no obvious correlation between the testing and the cases, most of today's figure seems to be from specimens taken on Monday, but that was the lowest day since the previous Monday.

In fact I've spotted something very odd, Monday seems to be the day of the week that performs the lowest number of tests but still gets the highest number of cases for that week, is it a flaw in the figures or some kind of human behavioural factor?


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The pattern seems to be repeated in all 4 nations and across the English regions so my instinct is human behaviour rather than data error.
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Maybe tests taken over weekend being logged on the Monday ?

I’m also wondering if today’s data is clearing some kind of backlog perhaps...

There’s nothing in the sampling and C19 app data to suggest such a significant upward change... OK the sampling data might miss some regional outbreak, but not to this extent...

The other possibility is a change towards more symptomatic cases, due to shift in age profile... So more cases get picked up through testing, but you’d expect that to be more gradual...
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Maybe tests taken over weekend being logged on the Monday ?
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Don't think so, I'm looking at tests by specimen date and date of test.

The pattern is repeated everywhere so it doesn't look likely to be a data error.


BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m also wondering if today’s data is clearing some kind of backlog perhaps...
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Possibly not so much of a backlog as an improvement in the speed of processing tests.

Most of today's figure seems to be from the 9th, but (again by specimen date) that was actually lower than on the 2nd, so perhaps they've got Monday's tests into the data faster than usual?
 
Lost Seasider said:
Don't think so, I'm looking at tests by specimen date and date of test.

The pattern is repeated everywhere so it doesn't look likely to be a data error.




Possibly not so much of a backlog as an improvement in the speed of processing tests.

Most of today's figure seems to be from the 9th, but (again by specimen date) that was actually lower than on the 2nd, so perhaps they've got Monday's tests into the data faster than usual?
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What I'm saying is that the "Specimen Date" is perhaps not the date the specimen was taken... Certainly in recent weeks it would appear that both Saturday & Sunday sees a dip in the number of cases (by specimen date) and then there's a peak on the Monday.

I suppose the next few days might give some indication of whether this is a blip or genuine increase...
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
What I'm saying is that the "Specimen Date" is perhaps not the date the specimen was taken... Certainly in recent weeks it would appear that both Saturday & Sunday sees a dip in the number of cases (by specimen date) and then there's a peak on the Monday.
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The specimen date is the date it is taken and the weekend looks to me more like human factors rather than anything else.

Start to feel under the weather on Thu/Fri, see if it clears up over the weekend and when it doesn't book a test for Monday.

By contrast a lot of the testing in other parts of the week may be more precautionary, people who don't have symptoms and don't need a test but are getting them anyway for whatever reason, maybe to visit friends or go to a party, "confident" that they don't have the virus.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The specimen date is the date it is taken and the weekend looks to me more like human factors rather than anything else.

Start to feel under the weather on Thu/Fri, see if it clears up over the weekend and when it doesn't book a test for Monday.

By contrast a lot of the testing in other parts of the week may be more precautionary, people who don't have symptoms and don't need a test but are getting them anyway for whatever reason, maybe to visit friends or go to a party, "confident" that they don't have the virus.
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The test data doesn't seem to support that though or does it? The daily tests conducted data appears to suggest that higher number of tests are often conducted over weekends...There's certainly no obvious dip...In fact if anything Monday seems to be lower than any other day for tests completed.
Lost Seasider said:
I think Tuesday onwards.
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It's possible that after a few days of getting to grips with that, we are seeing a significant number of fast turnaround tests contributing?

I suppose itls also possible that they have tried to increase the turnaround time to 24 hours... There's been a noticiable drop in tests conducted recently, so maybe they have been trying to deal with the flip from 48 hour to 24 hour, which would give you a one off blip.
 
Ollygon said:
Fcuk pubs, restaurants and the hospitality sector until an effective vaccine is widely available.

In the meantime - Stay at Home; Protect the NHS; Save Lives.

Anyone who advocates anything different is selfish and irresponsible
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"Anyone who advocates anything different is selfish and irresponsible"

That's an interesting viewpoint.

If we "fcuk pubs, restaurants and the hospitality sector" the damage to the economy may put pressure on the funding of the NHS, perhaps you are the one being selfish and irresponsible ?

Or perhaps it's possible for people just to hold differing unselfish views on the matter ?
 
rockontommy said:
Why would I want to look it up when every fucker and his dog who 's had a bug in the last 8 months is telling me they've got it?! It is post viral fatigue syndrome. Nasty, I'm sure but not new.
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Seems I can’t call you a m___n, how about an idiot!
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
"Anyone who advocates anything different is selfish and irresponsible"

That's an interesting viewpoint.

If we "fcuk pubs, restaurants and the hospitality sector" the damage to the economy may put pressure on the funding of the NHS, perhaps you are the one being selfish and irresponsible ?

Or perhaps it's possible for people just to hold differing unselfish views on the matter ?
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I will be using pubs, restaurants etc as soon as they are open, if that’s the 2nd Dec then so be it, if I have to wait until the new year then so be it but I’ll be there as soon as they open.
I can only presume that the fuck pub/restaurant brigade have no friends to go to the pub/restaurant with 😁
 
Poultongirl said:
I will be using pubs, restaurants etc as soon as they are open, if that’s the 2nd Dec then so be it, if I have to wait until the new year then so be it but I’ll be there as soon as they open.
I can only presume that the fuck pub/restaurant brigade have no friends to go to the pub/restaurant with 😁
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Exactly. This whole episode has been a charter for sad acts to play out all of their neighbourhood watch wet dreams.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The test data doesn't seem to support that though or does it? The daily tests conducted data appears to suggest that higher number of tests are often conducted over weekends...There's certainly no obvious dip...In fact if anything Monday seems to be lower than any other day for tests completed.
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That's what I was saying, Monday has the lowest number of tests but the highest number of cases (by specimen date), which is odd at first glance.
 
Poultongirl said:
I will be using pubs, restaurants etc as soon as they are open, if that’s the 2nd Dec then so be it, if I have to wait until the new year then so be it but I’ll be there as soon as they open.
I can only presume that the fuck pub/restaurant brigade have no friends to go to the pub/restaurant with 😁
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No.

They're dying one by one from COVID after visiting pubs and restaurants!

There'll be plenty of time to go back to "normal" once all of the vaccines are being widely distributed.

There are too many pubs, cafes and restaurants these days anyway. It'll be good to cull some and just leave the more successful ones - survival of the fittest.
 
Ollygon said:
No.

They're dying one by one from COVID after visiting pubs and restaurants!

There'll be plenty of time to go back to "normal" once all of the vaccines are being widely distributed.

There are too many pubs, cafes and restaurants these days anyway. It'll be good to cull some and just leave the more successful ones - survival of the fittest.
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Nonsense. Those pubs cafes and restaurants are giving people a living as well as a social life👍 They are the the safest places you could visit, try it 😁
 
We have been to a few pubs earlier in the better weather mostly outside & a couple inside, where the people were separated & the places we visited were as good as you could possibly get. I’m also aware this was not the case in certain places. Same with restaurants but obviously they were inside. We’re missing not going out with friends & family just like most of us are. We’ll have to wait until it’s safe.
 
Ollygon said:
No.

They're dying one by one from COVID after visiting pubs and restaurants!

There'll be plenty of time to go back to "normal" once all of the vaccines are being widely distributed.

There are too many pubs, cafes and restaurants these days anyway. It'll be good to cull some and just leave the more successful ones - survival of the fittest.
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Sweet Jesus 😡😡
 
Lost Seasider said:
It does seem a bit odd, my first thought was it was a pre-lockdown blowout, but there's no obvious correlation between the testing and the cases, most of today's figure seems to be from specimens taken on Monday, but that was the lowest day since the previous Monday.

In fact I've spotted something very odd, Monday seems to be the day of the week that performs the lowest number of tests but still gets the highest number of cases for that week, is it a flaw in the figures or some kind of human behavioural factor?


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The pattern seems to be repeated in all 4 nations and across the English regions so my instinct is human behaviour rather than data error.
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Could it be people are most likely to meet up at weekends and it takes a week for it to manifest itself?
 
If I was in a high risk group the last thing I’d be worried about is eating out...wtf is wrong with people....most people in high risk groups are retired or on the sick...neither groups need to leave the house do they....ffs...stay in if your in these groups and let the rest of us get on with it....🤬😁😎🍷
 
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