Electric motorbikes - comical starts

Bennys_was_a_mob

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No sure if this is a joke but Kawasaki one of the top motorbike manufacturers who offer exciting, powerfull technology advanced bikes, are about to release the "Ninja e-1 and Z e-1" onto the market.

These machines have a pitiful 55mph top speed and range of only 40 miles.

Do they really thing these things will sell?

To who?

Why give such a poor machine the Ninja name?
 
No sure if this is a joke but Kawasaki one of the top motorbike manufacturers who offer exciting, powerfull technology advanced bikes, are about to release the "Ninja e-1 and Z e-1" onto the market.

These machines have a pitiful 55mph top speed and range of only 40 miles.

Do they really thing these things will sell?

To who?

Why give such a poor machine the Ninja name?
Those figures sound ridiculously poor
 
No sure if this is a joke but Kawasaki one of the top motorbike manufacturers who offer exciting, powerfull technology advanced bikes, are about to release the "Ninja e-1 and Z e-1" onto the market.

These machines have a pitiful 55mph top speed and range of only 40 miles.

Do they really thing these things will sell?

To who?

Why give such a poor machine the Ninja name?
Ninja is an existing name for Kawasaki, and it's their lower end machine brand, so not entirely surprising.

I guess the real question is how much do they cost? If it's a couple of thousands, then perhaps the range and speed will be adequate for some, any more than that then no thanks.
 
Ninja is an existing name for Kawasaki, and it's their lower end machine brand, so not entirely surprising.

I guess the real question is how much do they cost? If it's a couple of thousands, then perhaps the range and speed will be adequate for some, any more than that then no thanks.
I've seen quotes that they will be around the £7k mark 😂
 
No sure if this is a joke but Kawasaki one of the top motorbike manufacturers who offer exciting, powerfull technology advanced bikes, are about to release the "Ninja e-1 and Z e-1" onto the market.

These machines have a pitiful 55mph top speed and range of only 40 miles.

Do they really thing these things will sell?

To who?

Why give such a poor machine the Ninja name?
Probably aimed at inner city journeys.
 
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I'm a massive fan of them, but I'm not sure they'll be as practical in the UK.
This was my bike 5 years ago in China, which at the time was top of the range and cost about £1.5k. More basic moped style e-bikes started at around £300.
I think these new designs by companies like Kawasaki are the result of their initial R&D rather than a viable alternative to their performance motorbikes.

A few points:

My bike would charge overnight from a regular plug socket once every 3 or 4 days, and this would be enough to get me the 10km to and from work each day.

You have 3 speed settings with high performance, regular and energy saving. As the battery reaches the final 20% you can feel the bikes top speed falling, so unless you're an idiot you don't run out of juice in the same way a good driver rarely runs out of petrol.

Mine only had a top speed of about 50mph but with performance setting and instant acceleration it was the fastest thing on the road for inner city driving.

I don't think the UK is the right market for them though. Pretty much every Chinese city has a series of ring roads and a grid system with separate bus and bike lanes. There's quite a laissez-faire attitude about whether you ride your ebike on the roads or bike lanes.
In England they'd have to classify ebikes as road going vehicles prohibited from A roads and above, or ban them from the road entirely which puts pedestrians at risk.

Most people in Chinese cities live in high rise apartments with parking garages underneath. These have spaces for ebikes and you pay an old caretaker £5 a month to keep your bike safe and charging overnight.
Most offices, shopping malls, restaurants have a similar set up. You keep the charger inside the bike and anywhere you park up, whack it on charge.

I think ebikes are going to be great for the developing world and areas with delicate eco systems. One example is Borocay in the Philippines. Beautiful, bounty commercial style island that got increasingly polluted due to motorbike taxis ferrying around tourists. Certain parts of Bali and Thailand have the same issue.

The 🇵🇭 president Duterte closed Borocay for a couple of years to clean things up, and when he reopened, only electric vehicles were allowed on the island.

So while EV's obviously have issues with carbon footprint, using them in polluted cities instead of tuktuks and taxis would vastly improve the air quality.
Cairo, Lahore, Bangkok, Manila, Tokyo, Delhi...even LA are where I think the market is.

I could also see Dubai and UAE making all courier bikes and taxi's EV's in the next couple of years...as the vehicles aren't owned by the drivers.
 
Yes, but the idea that Kawasaki and others are investing in the production of EV's because they want to save the planet or even want to phase out their 'proper' motorbikes is nonsense.

It's been a cliche for years to grumble about electric cars being slow and unreliable and weak...in the same way solar energy only works when it's sunny and powering your house with wind energy only works when there's a storm.


10 years ago the Prius was the standard bearer, and faced all the criticisms these bikes from Kawasaki do... pointlessly woke, impotent, virtue signalling...over priced.
The latest Tesla has a range of 400 miles and does 0 to 60 in 2.1 seconds. Base model is £50k.

This current generation of ebikes are inter city first drafts for what in 10 years time will be a bike that's cheaper, faster and has a longer range than anything petrol fueled.
 
Solar energy only works when it's sunny and powering your house with wind energy only works when there's a storm.

Technically, during a storm, they often have to shut down the wind farms because the wind speed is too high.


10 years ago the Prius was the standard bearer, and faced all the criticisms these bikes from Kawasaki do... pointlessly woke, impotent, virtue signalling...over priced.
Fun fact, thanks to favourable tax treatment, those were very popular as company cars for a while, then what happened is that when the 3-year lease expired, and they got the cars back, they found the charging cable in its original wrapping, unopened, and the vehicle had never been used as a hybrid.

They were pretty much pointless.
 
Technically, during a storm, they often have to shut down the wind farms because the wind speed is too high.



Fun fact, thanks to favourable tax treatment, those were very popular as company cars for a while, then what happened is that when the 3-year lease expired, and they got the cars back, they found the charging cable in its original wrapping, unopened, and the vehicle had never been used as a hybrid.

They were pretty much pointless.
I'd suggest re-reading my post. My point was that in 10 years electric cars have gone from being a laughing stock to competing with the top performance and range on the market.

They were pointless in the same way the Wright brothers plane was pointless.
 
I'd suggest re-reading my post. My point was that in 10 years electric cars have gone from being a laughing stock to competing with the top performance and range on the market.

They were pointless in the same way the Wright brothers plane was pointless.
I wasn't particularly disputing your point, I was simply sharing an observation or two.

However, since you mention it, the only reason EVs are remotely competitive with petrol/diesel vehicles is because of the different tax treatment of them, if the government taxed fuel at the same rate as it taxes electricity then EVs would be hilariously uncompetitive.
 
I wasn't particularly disputing your point, I was simply sharing an observation or two.

However, since you mention it, the only reason EVs are remotely competitive with petrol/diesel vehicles is because of the different tax treatment of them, if the government taxed fuel at the same rate as it taxes electricity then EVs would be hilariously uncompetitive.
Again though, without starting a fight...why do you think they are taxed differently?
 
Again though, without starting a fight...why do you think they are taxed differently?
Electricity is mostly (so far) used for heating and cooking, no sane government is going to freeze/starve its citizens to death, road fuel on the other hand is a bit of a luxury (debatable), and it is perhaps a bit more politically acceptable to tax.

There are probably more sophisticated explanations that involve substitution and price elasticity of demand, and probably a few other economic concepts, but my guess is they'll all mostly boil down to the same thing.
 
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