Elon Musk

How can he possibly be called 'The richest person on Earth' if he's borrowed most if it??
Musk is supposedly worth $200 billion. Most of that is tied up in Tesla stock ($170bn) with the remainder in various things like SpaceX etc.

He sold $22 billion of Tesla stock last year, at $1000 per share, to partly fund the Twitter purchase and yet exercised another 22 million options which were granted him 10 years ago to buy Tesla shares at only $6.24 a share. So he ended up with the $22bn AND a slightly greater ownership share in Tesla of 17.2%.

The rest of the cash needed to buy Twitter came from bank loans secured on his Tesla shares. Many very rich people have to borrow cash since they cannot easily convert their assets quickly into cash without destabilising their ownership. So they borrow while waiting for their get-rich-quick stock options to mature. It’s also “tax-efficient”.

 
“Free speech doesn’t extend to free lies”.

And yet the far right organisation Britain First is back on Twitter……. telling lies.

Is it lies though? In your opinion maybe. But your opinion is just that. It doesn’t categorically mean you’re right if you disagree with the perspective of an organisation at the polar opposite end of your political beliefs.

I don’t know much about them but if they’re telling lies then report the tweets in question.

However there’s a country mile between calling someone a peado when you have zero evidence, to penning a story to suit your political angle. One is a lie. The other is spin.

But like I say, if you have proof of lies then report it. However I think a lot of what will be frustrating you is different perspectives from folk with a a different perspective! That’s where free speech comes in. If you don’t like it you can challenge them. You can speak your mind. You can fact check.

Or if there’s some right wing body on Twitter spouting stuff you don’t agree with ( how about this for a radical idea? ) you can choose to ignore them. You don’t need to read their tweets. If they’re writing something illegal such as hate speech calling for attacks on others then that’s beyond free speech. But if they’re writing something politically or ideologically different to your belief, you have to file that under the category of ‘tough-get over it.’
 
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My favourite was Tommy Robinson’s henchmen dragging a bloke, who was expressing his opinion, off his soapbox at speakers corner and giving him a beating in order that TR could give a speech on…… ‘freedom of speech’

They were clearly too stupid to see the irony….

Let’s see the evidence of this incident please.
 
Is it lies though? In your opinion maybe. But your opinion is just that. It doesn’t categorically mean you’re right if you disagree with the perspective of an organisation at the polar opposite end of your political beliefs.

I don’t know much about them but if they’re telling lies then report the tweets in question.

However there’s a country mile between calling someone a peado when you have zero evidence, to penning a story to suit your political angle. One is a lie. The other is spin.

But like I say, if you have proof of lies then report it. However I think a lot of what will be frustrating you is different perspectives from folk with a a different perspective! That’s where free speech comes in. If you don’t like it you can challenge them. You can speak your mind. You can fact check.

Or if there’s some right wing body on Twitter spouting stuff you don’t agree with ( how about this for a radical idea? ) you can choose to ignore them. You don’t need to read their tweets. If they’re writing something illegal such as hate speech calling for attacks on others then that’s beyond free speech. But if they’re writing something politically or ideologically different to your belief, you have to file that under the category of ‘tough-get over it.’
They posted a video which purportedly showed a guy on crutches being attacked by an “immigrant” in the Netherlands. The Dutch government confirmed the attacker wasn’t an immigrant. He was born and grew up in the Netherlands. It was a lie intended to promote their RW agenda.

Anyway I see you’ve moved on from your assertion that banned users wouldn’t be allowed back on the platform until reviewed by an independent panel, to defending the right for banned users to post on Twitter.
 
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They posted a video which purportedly showed a guy on crutches being attacked by an “immigrant” in the Netherlands. The Dutch government confirmed the attacker wasn’t an immigrant. He was born and grew up in the Netherlands. It was a lie intended to promote their RW agenda.

Anyway I see you’ve moved on from your assertion that banned users wouldn’t be allowed back on the platform until reviewed by an independent panel, to defending the right for banned users to post on Twitter.

1. Organisations report incorrectly all the time. Newspapers do it. They then print a brief small print low key apology weeks or months later. I don’t know the circumstances of what you are referring to. It could have been a genuine mistake. It might have been done on purpose. You don’t know either.
2. I’ve not moved away from Musk’s stated position to review banned users with a panel. When was this group’s ban lifted? When we’re these apparent lies told? You are short on facts and long on judgements.
 
1. Organisations report incorrectly all the time. Newspapers do it. They then print a brief small print low key apology weeks or months later. I don’t know the circumstances of what you are referring to. It could have been a genuine mistake. It might have been done on purpose. You don’t know either.
2. I’ve not moved away from Musk’s stated position to review banned users with a panel. When was this group’s ban lifted? When we’re these apparent lies told? You are short on facts and long on judgements.
Surely being banned from Twitter allowed these censored groups some space to reflect on their views and return with improved insight and their views corrected? 🤪
 
Apparently Elon Musk tweeted on friday some bollocks that Nancy Pelosi’s husband had been drunk and got into a fight with a male prostitute.
Doesn’t look good for the future of Twitter!
 
Is it lies though? In your opinion maybe. But your opinion is just that. It doesn’t categorically mean you’re right if you disagree with the perspective of an organisation at the polar opposite end of your political beliefs.

I don’t know much about them but if they’re telling lies then report the tweets in question.

However there’s a country mile between calling someone a peado when you have zero evidence, to penning a story to suit your political angle. One is a lie. The other is spin.

But like I say, if you have proof of lies then report it. However I think a lot of what will be frustrating you is different perspectives from folk with a a different perspective! That’s where free speech comes in. If you don’t like it you can challenge them. You can speak your mind. You can fact check.

Or if there’s some right wing body on Twitter spouting stuff you don’t agree with ( how about this for a radical idea? ) you can choose to ignore them. You don’t need to read their tweets. If they’re writing something illegal such as hate speech calling for attacks on others then that’s beyond free speech. But if they’re writing something politically or ideologically different to your belief, you have to file that under the category of ‘tough-get over it.’
Holocaust deniers, the MEN massacre and the Sandy Hook school massacre didn't happen for starters.

Lying enough for you?

That's their opinion though, so that's fine?
 
Holocaust deniers, the MEN massacre and the Sandy Hook school massacre didn't happen for starters.

Lying enough for you?

That's their opinion though, so that's fine?

What a stupid post. Come back when you grow up.
 
Why do people lie on the internet @Malced ? 😢

Why do people lie on the internet? Wow that’s a great question. If I was at University studying psychology I’d love to get stuck into that one.

All people lie regularly. It’s part of being human. They lie face to face, and arguably that’s harder to do than lying via a keyboard.

We know people type things they wouldn’t say face to face to someone. That’s evident by all the trolls who say the most cruel and spiteful things.

So it’s no surprise people lie by keyboard. The word ‘lie’ is too simple or too complex perhaps. What is a lie as opposed to what it misinformation? What is a lie as a opposed to someone who actually believes what they’re saying, even if it’s wrong.
Some readers will judge another’s words as a lie even when they’re giving an opinion.
Often things aren’t black and white. There’s different perspectives and different interpretations of the same things. How can two people have completely different views on something? Well it’s because we’re humans. We are different. We think differently. That’s what’s wonderful about being human - our differences. We’re not robots or clones.

Some humans are drawn to conspiracy theories. Others such as myself have no time for them. Look at covid and the 5g story. It led to 5g masts being vandalised. There were countless conspiracy theories about lockdowns and the vaccinations. But were these all lies? Maybe but maybe not. It’s not so simple. There were some terrible side effects from the vaccines, for example. Some died of blood clots, or heart problems. So when a person typed that the vaccines were unsafe, were they lying? We did see highly qualified scientists and clinicians who were against masks or wary of vaccines. Were they lying, and should they have been cancelled for giving their professional opinion merely cos it differed to the government line?

Back in the day when the drug Thalidomide was being prescribed, many people linked it to deformities and lobbied the government. History proved them to be correct. In today’s world they’d have been banned from
Twitter. That’s worth thinking about.

With regards to Twitter, it should be regulated and moderated fairly and transparently.
There should be room for debate and different opinions. But there shouldn’t be room for hate speech and anything beyond the pale. The sandyhook denier was sued and rightly has to pay a fortune in compensation. Should he have his ban lifted? Not in my opinion.

But there’s countless people that have been given lifetime bans for expressing a view against vaccines or other such topics. In the US Twitter has been used to suppress Republican politicians and their supporters.

Many have been banned for expressing opinions. This is a risk to free speech as plain as day.

Of course no one wants to see extremist vile lies. The moderators should stamp on that. But we should all be uncomfortable with a cancel culture which is driven by bias and whatever way the wind is blowing. Some on here for example would love to see Tory politicians blocked from Twitter cos in their view these folk are ‘far-right’ and ‘lie’.

But that would be completely wrong and against free-speech. What we all need is a bit more maturity to accept that there are others with differing views. We need to be more tolerant. There will always be contentious topics to debate. There’s always going to be people who are offended. We can’t moderate to avoid offence. If we don’t like seeing different opinions then don’t go on Twitter.

As I’ve said, there’s clear cut lies - such as saying someone is a peado. And there’s different takes on a situation such as saying the UK economy is struggling due to the world’s financial situation, as opposed to whatever Liz Truss did. The peado lie has no place on Twitter. The latter is something for open debate whichever way you see it.
 
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Why do people lie on the internet? Wow that’s a great question. If I was at University studying psychology I’d love to get stuck into that one.

All people lie regularly. It’s part of being human. They lie face to face, and arguably that’s harder to do than lying via a keyboard.

We know people type things they wouldn’t say face to face to someone. That’s evident by all the trolls who say the most cruel and spiteful things.

So it’s no surprise people lie by keyboard. The word ‘lie’ is too simple or too complex perhaps. What is a lie as opposed to what it misinformation? What is a lie as a opposed to someone who actually believes what they’re saying, even if it’s wrong.
Some readers will judge another’s words as a lie even when they’re giving an opinion.
Often things aren’t black and white. There’s different perspectives and different interpretations of the same things. How can two people have completely different views on something? Well it’s because we’re humans. We are different. We think differently. That’s what’s wonderful about being human. Out differences. We’re not robots or clones.

Some humans are drawn to conspiracy theories. Others such as myself have no time for them. Look at covid and the 5g story. It led to 5g masts being vandalised. There were countless conspiracy theories about lockdowns and the vaccinations. But where these all lies? Maybe but maybe not. It’s not so simple. There were some terrible side effects from the vaccines, for example. Some died of blood clots, or heart problems. So when a person typed that the vaccines were unsafe, where they lying? We did see highly qualified scientists and clinicians who were against masks or wary of vaccines. Were they lying, and should they have been cancelled for giving their professional opinion merely cos it differed to the government line?

Back in the day when the drug Thalidomide was being prescribed, many people linked it to deformities and lobbied the government. History proved them to be correct. In today’s world they’d have been banned from
Twitter. That’s worth thinking about.

With regards to Twitter, it should be regulated and moderated fairly and transparently.
There should be room for debate and different opinions. But there shouldn’t be room for hate speech and anything beyond the pale. The sandyhook denier was sued and rightly has to pay a fortune in compensation. Should he have his ban lifted? Not in my opinion.

But there’s countless people that have been given lifetime bans for expressing a view against vaccines or other such topics. In the US Twitter has been used to suppress Republican politicians and their supporters.

Many have been banned for expressing opinions. This is a risk to free speech as plain as day.

Of course no one wants to see extremist vile lies. The moderators should stamp on that. But we should all be uncomfortable with a cancel culture which is driven by bias and whatever way the wind is blowing. Some on here for example would love to see Tory politicians blocked from Twitter cos in their view these folk are ‘far-right’ and ‘lie’.

But that would be completely wrong and against free-speech. What we all need is a bit more maturity to accept that there are others with differing views. We need to be more tolerant. There will always be contentious topics to debate. There’s always going to be people who are offended. We can’t moderate to avoid offence. If we don’t like seeing different opinions then don’t go on Twitter.

As I’ve said, there’s clear cut lies - such as saying someone is a peado. And there’s different takes on a situation such as saying the UK economy is struggling due to the world’s financial situation, as opposed to whatever Liz Truss did. The peado lie has no place on Twitter. The latter is something for open debate whichever way you see it.
Great post Malced 👍
 
😂 Maybe you were a bit too quick out of the traps in your defence of Musk?

Defence? I called him an idiot for his prior bad behaviour re calling someone a peado. I added what was already reported i.e. he said he is going to introduce some sort of panel to review bans etc. I added that seems a more balanced approach cos I don’t think all the lifetime bans are fair or proportionate. It’s a bit strong to say I’m defending him. 😏
 
I don’t think anyone will care if Musk gets badly rinsed on Twitter. It’s just soshul meeja and there will be another app along soon enough with its own unique selling point to replace it. $44 billion would buy a lot of missiles for Ukraine though.
 
So what is he all about then ?

And is his taking over of Twitter a good thing ?

I know not a lot about him to be honest, so all info will be sponged up by me and considered.
I think there was a documentary (ITV I think) could be wrong…. This was recent and by all accounts very interesting. I think I’ll be trying to find this when back from holiday.
He’s certainly an interesting character, that’s for sure.
 
Why do people lie on the internet? Wow that’s a great question. If I was at University studying psychology I’d love to get stuck into that one.

All people lie regularly. It’s part of being human. They lie face to face, and arguably that’s harder to do than lying via a keyboard.

We know people type things they wouldn’t say face to face to someone. That’s evident by all the trolls who say the most cruel and spiteful things.

So it’s no surprise people lie by keyboard. The word ‘lie’ is too simple or too complex perhaps. What is a lie as opposed to what it misinformation? What is a lie as a opposed to someone who actually believes what they’re saying, even if it’s wrong.
Some readers will judge another’s words as a lie even when they’re giving an opinion.
Often things aren’t black and white. There’s different perspectives and different interpretations of the same things. How can two people have completely different views on something? Well it’s because we’re humans. We are different. We think differently. That’s what’s wonderful about being human - our differences. We’re not robots or clones.

Some humans are drawn to conspiracy theories. Others such as myself have no time for them. Look at covid and the 5g story. It led to 5g masts being vandalised. There were countless conspiracy theories about lockdowns and the vaccinations. But were these all lies? Maybe but maybe not. It’s not so simple. There were some terrible side effects from the vaccines, for example. Some died of blood clots, or heart problems. So when a person typed that the vaccines were unsafe, were they lying? We did see highly qualified scientists and clinicians who were against masks or wary of vaccines. Were they lying, and should they have been cancelled for giving their professional opinion merely cos it differed to the government line?

Back in the day when the drug Thalidomide was being prescribed, many people linked it to deformities and lobbied the government. History proved them to be correct. In today’s world they’d have been banned from
Twitter. That’s worth thinking about.

With regards to Twitter, it should be regulated and moderated fairly and transparently.
There should be room for debate and different opinions. But there shouldn’t be room for hate speech and anything beyond the pale. The sandyhook denier was sued and rightly has to pay a fortune in compensation. Should he have his ban lifted? Not in my opinion.

But there’s countless people that have been given lifetime bans for expressing a view against vaccines or other such topics. In the US Twitter has been used to suppress Republican politicians and their supporters.

Many have been banned for expressing opinions. This is a risk to free speech as plain as day.

Of course no one wants to see extremist vile lies. The moderators should stamp on that. But we should all be uncomfortable with a cancel culture which is driven by bias and whatever way the wind is blowing. Some on here for example would love to see Tory politicians blocked from Twitter cos in their view these folk are ‘far-right’ and ‘lie’.

But that would be completely wrong and against free-speech. What we all need is a bit more maturity to accept that there are others with differing views. We need to be more tolerant. There will always be contentious topics to debate. There’s always going to be people who are offended. We can’t moderate to avoid offence. If we don’t like seeing different opinions then don’t go on Twitter.

As I’ve said, there’s clear cut lies - such as saying someone is a peado. And there’s different takes on a situation such as saying the UK economy is struggling due to the world’s financial situation, as opposed to whatever Liz Truss did. The peado lie has no place on Twitter. The latter is something for open debate whichever way you see it.
The most public unfounded use of calling someone a paedo on Twitter was by the man who owns it.
 
The most public unfounded use of calling someone a paedo on Twitter was by the man who owns it.

Exactly. That’s why I called him an idiot and that’s why I used that example.
 
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