Energy Crisis/Andy Pilley

Matesrates said:
If he’s found guilty, fraud and money laundering are nasty offences and he will go to jail. It would be a shame given what he’s done for the club and we should be sympathetic to their fans as we should be for fans everywhere in their predicament. After all, we were on the brink not long ago.
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As they displayed a huge “Oyston in” flag.

on a serious note, it will be a shame for the employees of his business.
Fleetwood fans must know deep down that without Pilley there is no future for the club above National League.

Fylde doing well but league level is a tall order.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I take it you’ve not been past Fylde ground lately?
A brand new multi million pound 1,850 seat stand rising from the ground.
Hardly a club going out of business I’d say.
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A total white elephant, they will never fill it, not for football matches involving Fylde anyway. More wasted money being thrown at it. Not saying they are going to go out of business as they have an owner who is happy to throw cash at it and that’s his prerogative, however,
They are a club that was relying on BFC’s demise for their own growth, more so than FTFC in my opinion
 
Yes, definitely switched. :)

Seriously, that's a stand with a capacity of around 125% of their average crowds. Fair play to him for his ambition - he doesn't get enough credit for that - but I think he's pushing the boulder up hill. Surely he can see that?
 
The Catcher in the Rye said:
A total white elephant, they will never fill it, not for football matches involving Fylde anyway. More wasted money being thrown at it. Not saying they are going to go out of business as they have an owner who is happy to throw cash at it and that’s his prerogative, however,
They are a club that was relying on BFC’s demise for their own growth, more so than FTFC in my opinion
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At what level of the pyramid does FFP come in? Are you allowed to 'throw cash at it, as his prerogative"?
 
I wonder. I had a discussion with DH during the boycott, he was very keen not to be "seen to be picking on the bones of Blackpool like a vulture" or words to that effect. Not sure he'd be upsetting many people if he did the same in Fleetwood.
Maybe he's going to be switching his attentions to Cods - he may be able to pick them up on the cheap soon, merge the clubs and effectively buy his way into the EFL?
 
IF and it's a big IF, AP is found guilty of the crimes he's been charged with, will people accept that FTFC has been built on the money of a criminal enterprise?

IF that is true, would AP supporters agree that rather than FTFC being a paraded as a well run club, they will fall into the category of the opposite?

What will it take for AP/FTFC supporters to say, what he's done is wrong?
 
TSSeasider said:
IF and it's a big IF, AP is found guilty of the crimes he's been charged with, will people accept that FTFC has been built on the money of a criminal enterprise?

IF that is true, would AP supporters agree that rather than FTFC being a paraded as a well run club, they will fall into the category of the opposite?

What will it take for AP/FTFC supporters to say, what he's done is wrong?
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Fcuk me, talk about jumping the gun 🙄
 
Camberwell1 said:
Correct - should be nationalised and we should never get any where near this shambles

Well done Boris IDIOT
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As Boris did not enter parliament until 2001 and the last of the privatisation took place in the late 90's, that is one thing that perhaps should not be laid upon his doorstep. BBC journalism at its best.
 
Leither said:
Sorry I've no sympathy for energy providers at all . . . screw us for every last penny and pay share holders a fortune.

Now things are hard for them they come cap in hand . . . why can't their share holders bail them out?
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Being a cynic, for most industries, the answer is at the top. They pay themselves huge salaries but the lackeys are on minimum wages, with no overtime because that’s another poor lackey. Then, at the end of the financial year, it’s the big (shares etc) pay out. Any problems: wind it up, register abroad, start again.
 
Stony Hill said:
Being a cynic, for most industries, the answer is at the top. They pay themselves huge salaries but the lackeys are on minimum wages, with no overtime because that’s another poor lackey. Then, at the end of the financial year, it’s the big (shares etc) pay out. Any problems: wind it up, register abroad, start again.
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What a load of shyte!

These businesses have typically been fronted by individuals who have stumped up their own cash and placed it at risk to invest in their own business idea.

They often put many years of their own hard work and expertise into building the business from the ground up.

Far from employing ‘lackeys’, they provide solid jobs with decent wages and good working conditions.

They will take some reasonable returns for themselves each year and rightly so, given that they are the people who created and built the damned business….

Rarely would any business owner opt to wind a business up at ‘the first sign of difficulty’ or go on to start again abroad. Most would fight tooth and nail to protect their business and the people who work within it….
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
What a load of shyte!

These businesses have typically been fronted by individuals who have stumped up their own cash and placed it at risk to invest in their own business idea.

They often put many years of their own hard work and expertise into building the business from the ground up.

Far from employing ‘lackeys’, they provide solid jobs with decent wages and good working conditions.

They will take some reasonable returns for themselves each year and rightly so, given that they are the people who created and built the damned business….

Rarely would any business owner opt to wind a business up at ‘the first sign of difficulty’ or go on to start again abroad. Most would fight tooth and nail to protect their business and the people who work within it….
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Have you heard of “venture capitalists“?
 
Stony Hill said:
Have you heard of “venture capitalists“?
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What about Venture Capitalists?

a) Most businesses aren’t funded by them
b) They invest across multiple channels, take high risks and deserve to be rewarded

How about we look at ‘Salaried Employees’ who enjoy guaranteed wages, take no risk with their own capital, receive pension contributions, work fixed hours etc…

It’s horses for courses at the end of the day… big risk - big potential reward.
 
Wizaard said:
At what level of the pyramid does FFP come in? Are you allowed to 'throw cash at it, as his prerogative"?
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It really is amazing how many non league teams survive when some NW Counties level teams are paying some players £100 per week (one I know is on £250), and some Northern Prem teams have a wage budget of £7000 a week on gates of 600...
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
What a load of shyte!

These businesses have typically been fronted by individuals who have stumped up their own cash and placed it at risk to invest in their own business idea.

They often put many years of their own hard work and expertise into building the business from the ground up.

Far from employing ‘lackeys’, they provide solid jobs with decent wages and good working conditions.

They will take some reasonable returns for themselves each year and rightly so, given that they are the people who created and built the damned business….

Rarely would any business owner opt to wind a business up at ‘the first sign of difficulty’ or go on to start again abroad. Most would fight tooth and nail to protect their business and the people who work within it….
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Spot on, I know many people working for Pilley who are earning a decent wage for a decent days work, how many people at BES/Commercial Power/Cardsaver/Poolfoot and Fleetwood Town itself depend on their living through employment by him?

There isn’t a Utility company in the land that hasn’t been hauled over the coals, charged with some offence and fined at some time by the way.

To wish his demise before given a chance to defend himself is below the belt, take the mick maybe, but don’t wish those dependent on him any ill, there are quite a number of our own that are employed by him, I should know as I was one of them!

Let me tell you, the day the legal judgement against the Oystons was made, he was bouncing round his office with as bigger smile on his face as any of us! He may have been Blackpool once upon a time, but he’s Fleetwood now, but at least he’s a football person with a passion for the game unlike some of the souless unknown know nothings who are at the head of many of our football clubs these days.
 
Bottle said:
Spot on, I know many people working for Pilley who are earning a decent wage for a decent days work, how many people at BES/Commercial Power/Cardsaver/Poolfoot and Fleetwood Town itself depend on their living through employment by him?

There isn’t a Utility company in the land that hasn’t been hauled over the coals, charged with some offence and fined at some time by the way.

To wish his demise before given a chance to defend himself is below the belt, take the mick maybe, but don’t wish those dependent on him any ill, there are quite a number of our own that are employed by him, I should know as I was one of them!

Let me tell you, the day the legal judgement against the Oystons was made, he was bouncing round his office with as bigger smile on his face as any of us! He may have been Blackpool once upon a time, but he’s Fleetwood now, but at least he’s a football person with a passion for the game unlike some of the souless unknown know nothings who are at the head of many of our football clubs these days.
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Great post mate…… end of thread for me 👍🏼
 
Bottle said:
Spot on, I know many people working for Pilley who are earning a decent wage for a decent days work, how many people at BES/Commercial Power/Cardsaver/Poolfoot and Fleetwood Town itself depend on their living through employment by him?

There isn’t a Utility company in the land that hasn’t been hauled over the coals, charged with some offence and fined at some time by the way.

To wish his demise before given a chance to defend himself is below the belt, take the mick maybe, but don’t wish those dependent on him any ill, there are quite a number of our own that are employed by him, I should know as I was one of them!

Let me tell you, the day the legal judgement against the Oystons was made, he was bouncing round his office with as bigger smile on his face as any of us! He may have been Blackpool once upon a time, but he’s Fleetwood now, but at least he’s a football person with a passion for the game unlike some of the souless unknown know nothings who are at the head of many of our football clubs these days.
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I don’t think it would be right to comment in any detail on the pending case. It is what it is and at the end of the day, it’s best left to the court rather than pre-judging. The charges are obviously pretty serious stuff, so it’s not an everyday occurrence.

I was talking more generally in my post really as there are obviously many suppliers facing difficulties right now. They are good businesses, facing a once in a lifetime energy crisis on the back of a once in a lifetime ‘pandemic’… both these events have hit the industry hard.

People on here slagging off the business owners and investors, because they earn a few quid in the good times, but many of those owners will face financial ruin, not just the loss of a job. Often the case that they’ve invested everything into the business venture with pensions & property (homes) wrapped up in the future of the business etc..
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
What about Venture Capitalists?

a) Most businesses aren’t funded by them
b) They invest across multiple channels, take high risks and deserve to be rewarded

How about we look at ‘Salaried Employees’ who enjoy guaranteed wages, take no risk with their own capital, receive pension contributions, work fixed hours etc…

It’s horses for courses at the end of the day… big risk - big potential reward.
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Not one that I know/knew well. A textile company that has had three ‘faces’ at least.

I also know of a local joiner who completed bespoke work and after numerous billings of the client was told that his contract was to a company and that said company no longer existed. The client walked away laughing.

And yes, BFCx3, I’m quite sure that your life has afforded you different experiences to mine. Hence, different opinions.
 
Stony Hill said:
Not one that I know/knew well. A textile company that has had three ‘faces’ at least.

I also know of a local joiner who completed bespoke work and after numerous billings of the client was told that his contract was to a company and that said company no longer existed. The client walked away laughing.

And yes, BFCx3, I’m quite sure that your life has afforded you different experiences to mine. Hence, different opinions.
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I’m not sure what your first sentence means. Obviously businesses can be subject to changes in ownership and the textile industry is notoriously tough and businesses do fail.

The local joiner story is not really representative of how most businesses operate. There are rogues out there, but they exist in all aspects of life… You get rogue employees who take businesses for a ride, individuals who commit crimes etc… it’s not the norm though.

I don’t think it’s necessarily about different experiences, so much as not allowing a tiny number of experiences to colour your entire judgment. I’ve had similar experiences to your own, but the overwhelming majority of my experiences are fine…Just like the overwhelming majority of business owners and investors are decent people, who care about their business, the people they employ snd their customers.
 
Martonmosser said:
Fcuk me, talk about jumping the gun 🙄
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Talk about not answering the question.

As I said on another thread, these things are difficult to prosecute and we need to wait until the judgement is served but I think it's a reasonable hypothetical question.

I know for some it's more difficult as they've benefitted from AP's generosity; but for most, who don't have that relationship, it's not personal.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m not sure what your first sentence means. Obviously businesses can be subject to changes in ownership and the textile industry is notoriously tough and businesses do fail.

The local joiner story is not really representative of how most businesses operate. There are rogues out there, but they exist in all aspects of life… You get rogue employees who take businesses for a ride, individuals who commit crimes etc… it’s not the norm though.

I don’t think it’s necessarily about different experiences, so much as not allowing a tiny number of experiences to colour your entire judgment. I’ve had similar experiences to your own, but the overwhelming majority of my experiences are fine…Just like the overwhelming majority of business owners and investors are decent people, who care about their business, the people they employ snd their customers.
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1. The textile owner employed people on min-wages, even under 16s on less. Folded owing money, restarted under a new name(s). Obnoxious man. (Biased - yes)
2. Sadly, the joiner was “bullied” out of daring to risk solicitors.
3. The biggest example I can think of is Philip Green, who as a sharp business mind unloaded BHS to, I forget his name, a smaller fish in the venture capital world. Ask their former employees for their opinions.
Your last paragraph is excellent and may well be the most accurate of our conversation.
 
Slightly off topic but Pilley must be frustrated with Highbury's expansion. Although Jim's bar is impressive they only have one decent stand. The failure to develop the rest of the ground, due in part to Highbury Social Club not wanting to move, might mean he pulls out. Worrying times if you are a Codhead.
 
SirHarryThomson said:
Slightly off topic but Pilley must be frustrated with Highbury's expansion. Although Jim's bar is impressive they only have one decent stand. The failure to develop the rest of the ground, due in part to Highbury Social Club not wanting to move, might mean he pulls out. Worrying times if you are a Codhead.
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He's never owned the ground if he was that concerned he'd have built a new one somewhere else in Fleetwood plenty of spare land.
 
Stony Hill said:
1. The textile owner employed people on min-wages, even under 16s on less. Folded owing money, restarted under a new name(s). Obnoxious man. (Biased - yes)
2. Sadly, the joiner was “bullied” out of daring to risk solicitors.
3. The biggest example I can think of is Philip Green, who as a sharp business mind unloaded BHS to, I forget his name, a smaller fish in the venture capital world. Ask their former employees for their opinions.
Your last paragraph is excellent and may well be the most accurate of our conversation.
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Philip Green is a pretty extreme example again though. There are several million businesses operating in the U.K. you can’t tar them all with the same brush, due to a handful of bad experiences.

The energy businesses that we are talking about here are folding out of necessity and due to an unprecedented set of circumstances that will test all but the most resilient.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
No.

I think the club wants to work with Blackpool Council on a facility, or that's the feeling, Poolfoot is a pain in the arse to get to, not in Blackpool obviously and we could do without hand me downs from failed clubs as a training ground, we're not Preston.
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Appreciate that but just think of the comedy value of it, quick lick of paint and a name change, fantastic. Plus it is a superb set up and would suit us perfectly. Plus it’s in Thornton not Fleetwood and Thornton has always been Pool territory.
 
TSSeasider said:
So just because they are corrupt gives companies like BES a free pass?
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Someone else used the term corrupt and I don’t agree with it. The fact that some other suppliers have been taken to task by the regulator is not evidence of corruption. These are generally more to do with poor business practice and failure to meet regulatory requirements as opposed to intentional corruption.

This case with BES is pretty unique I would say…
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Philip Green is a pretty extreme example again though. There are several million businesses operating in the U.K. you can’t tar them all with the same brush, due to a handful of bad experiences.

The energy businesses that we are talking about here are folding out of necessity and due to an unprecedented set of circumstances that will test all but the most resilient.
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Good morning, BFCx3. As it happens, I became a client of Eon last year. I didn’t realise that they are the 2nd(?) largest power supplier in the country but they did lower my bills by what looks like £200+ for the year. Previously, I used one of those now threatened.

I’ve enjoyed our natter, ignoring your swearing in the first four words. The rest is A+ in the spelling, grammar category and what you write is knowledgeable and clearly written. I’m still musing what your occupation was. Pardon me, I’m presuming you are now retired?
 
Stony Hill said:
Good morning, BFCx3. As it happens, I became a client of Eon last year. I didn’t realise that they are the 2nd(?) largest power supplier in the country but they did lower my bills by what looks like £200+ for the year. Previously, I used one of those now threatened.

I’ve enjoyed our natter, ignoring your swearing in the first four words. The rest is A+ in the spelling, grammar category and what you write is knowledgeable and clearly written. I’m still musing what your occupation was. Pardon me, I’m presuming you are now retired?
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That’s an odd presumption to make, what led you to reach that conclusion?
 
Stony....The Bifster is probably on chatting terms with Roman Abramovich or at least some other dodgy Russian @ Gazprom.
His gaff probably sold your entire energy usage for the next 5 years this morning before 9,00am

You know the saying..."Teaching your Grandmother to suck eggs"..?
You have been chatting with Grandmother....😂
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
You seem to be conveniently forgetting the 9 promotions prior to this when Fleetwood climbed the leagues...what he has done there is unbelievable really and he couldnt have done it without a real passion for football. I think they have reached as high as they are going to go and tbh I have little interest in them as I am a Blackpool fan and we already have a brilliant owner at the helm.
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Exactly Tower, like yourself I am not overly bothered about Fleetwood but what Pilley has achieved there is nothing short of remarkable - from just above Sunday League to League One and I could be wrong but I think they've got to the play-offs to get in the Championship twice ?

He has also turned his life around and been very successful in business.

For some very strange reason, many on here do not like successful people.
 
Stony Hill said:
Being a cynic, for most industries, the answer is at the top. They pay themselves huge salaries but the lackeys are on minimum wages, with no overtime because that’s another poor lackey. Then, at the end of the financial year, it’s the big (shares etc) pay out. Any problems: wind it up, register abroad, start again.
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Absolute garbage - if nothing is Boris’s fault than all praise the IDIOT and his supporters - god almighty - I queued for 45 mins at 7:45am today for petrol to keep my business afloat this week - obviously not his fault either - just a minor blip - when I left the garage half of SE London was gridlocked at 8.30 am !!

When I say Boris IdIOT he is one
 
Camberwell1 said:
Absolute garbage - if nothing is Boris’s fault than all praise the IDIOT and his supporters - god almighty - I queued for 45 mins at 7:45am today for petrol to keep my business afloat this week - obviously not his fault either - just a minor blip - when I left the garage half of SE London was gridlocked at 8.30 am !!

When I say Boris IdIOT he is one
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Sorry, Camberwell. I don’t follow your link from my “cynical post/actions of shady businesses” to your misfortune with filling your petrol tank.
I have seen your postings in the past and recognise your political stance. So, don’t take this personally: Politics is not on my agenda.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
That’s an odd presumption to make, what led you to reach that conclusion?
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Morning. Good weekend?
You answer my question with a question: wife does that…..what/why?
Retired? Because your written quality is definitely not that of younger posters. Also, because you have time to be on this board in mid-week. I could easily be wrong. I can think of a poster who works for the government but always fills his day by keeping up with avftt.
Bear with me: I‘ve prolonged this because, about a month ago, I read a thread where you tore into another poster. At the time, I thought you were bullying, humiliating him and showing off your conversational *prowess. I’ve now considered that there may be another side to it. Was the recipient a mate and, it was all just banter? I don’t know the cliques as I’m a relative newbie and not in one. (* are/were you a teacher of English or a lawyer?) Just curious.
 
Stony Hill said:
Morning. Good weekend?
You answer my question with a question: wife does that…..what/why?
Retired? Because your written quality is definitely not that of younger posters. Also, because you have time to be on this board in mid-week. I could easily be wrong. I can think of a poster who works for the government but always fills his day by keeping up with avftt.
Bear with me: I‘ve prolonged this because, about a month ago, I read a thread where you tore into another poster. At the time, I thought you were bullying, humiliating him and showing off your conversational *prowess. I’ve now considered that there may be another side to it. Was the recipient a mate and, it was all just banter? I don’t know the cliques as I’m a relative newbie and not in one. (* are/were you a teacher of English or a lawyer?) Just curious.
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The weekend was good….

I’ll leave the rest of it to your (rather vivid) imagination 😂👍
 
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