England v France

For a Seasider who loves rugby and watches all England games today has been another absolute shit show.

Borthwick has come in as coach and if anything they've gone backwards after sacking Eddie Jones, we play Ireland away next week and if today is anything to go by we'll be shipping another 50 plus points.

WTF is happening.
 
Raging_Bull said:
For a Seasider who loves rugby and watches all England games today has been another absolute shit show.

Borthwick has come in as coach and if anything they've gone backwards after sacking Eddie Jones, we play Ireland away next week and if today is anything to go by we'll be shipping another 50 plus points.

WTF is happening.
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Agree Bull. I never miss the Six Nations, nor did I miss the 5 Nations before that but today I turned over at half time and watched the football.
Jeez, I thought we were bad today but England were dire and on that showing today they may as well not bother turning up for the World Cup.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Agree Bull. I never miss the Six Nations, nor did I miss the 5 Nations before that but today I turned over at half time and watched the football.
Jeez, I thought we were bad today but England were dire and on that showing today they may as well not bother turning up for the World Cup.
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Yes it's odd, the Gallagher Premiership is a simply brilliant league with exciting games every week yet the National side is going backwards, funny enough the two top sides in the Six Nations Ireland and France have got English coaches leading the way, there was no way of knowing that Andy Farrell would do as well as he's done with Ireland but we should never have missed out of Shaun Edwards as defensive maestro, he's turned French rugby around in no time.
 
Crushing defeat to one of our oldest foes...

The Frogs had nearly more freedom on the green grass of Twickenham than the immigrants get on the beaches of Dunkerque and Calais! 😣
 
Was looking forward to watching Pool and England yesterday.
Now I am near suicidal!
At least most results went in our favour and who would believe that I cheered when Nobbers scored!
 
Shocking performance, yes France are a very good side, but not that much better than us . Somethings wrong, come back Eddie, all is forgiven.
 
What a bloody awful day, if we look at it from a ‘pool and England RU perspective.

I expected two defeats. On a freaky day, Jerry and Sonny might have rescued a point. However, fortune is not smiling on us. I’m bracing myself for the ‘Thread’ of a ‘Retained’ list. It won’t be a long one.

As for the RU, I expected a French victory but not by that margin. Everything they did came off. We were ruthlessly punished for every mistake, eg the hand touching down through the maul. France currently have a much larger pool of good players (that was their second choice front row!!!!!) and they’re extremely well coached. Perhaps better than they’ve ever been. And, maybe their league is better organised than ours to deliver a better product. I expect the Boks and Kiwis will be more advanced in their planning than us. Add Ireland and there’s your semis.
 
Borthwick and McCarthy seem like two coaches who coach how they played the game, very defence minded and boring as f@ck.

How do these guys even get close to such esteemed positions?

Another crap Saturday for us Pool and England RU fans to endure.
 
Stony Hill said:
What a bloody awful day, if we look at it from a ‘pool and England RU perspective.

I expected two defeats. On a freaky day, Jerry and Sonny might have rescued a point. However, fortune is not smiling on us. I’m bracing myself for the ‘Thread’ of a ‘Retained’ list. It won’t be a long one.

As for the RU, I expected a French victory but not by that margin. Everything they did came off. We were ruthlessly punished for every mistake, eg the hand touching down through the maul. France currently have a much larger pool of good players (that was their second choice front row!!!!!) and they’re extremely well coached. Perhaps better than they’ve ever been. And, maybe their league is better organised than ours to deliver a better product. I expect the Boks and Kiwis will be more advanced in their planning than us. Add Ireland and there’s your semis.
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England could quite conceivably get to the semis by winning their group (in which Argentina and Japan are the strongest teams) and probably beating Wales in a QF. Doesn’t require a big leap of imagination.

Only two of Ireland France SA and NZ can get to the semis because they are on one side of the draw and will play each other in 2 QFs (although there is scope for an upset by Scotland in the group which has Ireland and SA in it).

As things go, you would expect whoever comes through the harder side of the draw to win the two semis. But they will have played much harder games, and if they are injury hit you couldn’t rule out an England win.
 
hampshire_exile said:
England could quite conceivably get to the semis by winning their group (in which Argentina and Japan are the strongest teams) and probably beating Wales in a QF. Doesn’t require a big leap of imagination.

Only two of Ireland France SA and NZ can get to the semis because they are on one side of the draw and will play each other in 2 QFs (although there is scope for an upset by Scotland in the group which has Ireland and SA in it).

As things go, you would expect whoever comes through the harder side of the draw to win the two semis. But they will have played much harder games, and if they are injury hit you couldn’t rule out an England win.
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I won’t disagree with you because I haven’t seen the groups.
My judgement of the RU World Cup is based on what I’ve seen from the November series and the 6 Nations. If it could be a France-Ireland final, then they deserve it. Yes, Ireland did beat France 2(?) weeks ago and No I didn’t see it.
“Scope for a Scotland upset”? If they play like they did in Paris, why not?
What will the Boks or the All Blacks have in store? By tradition, anyone beating them would win it. Australia? No. They’re in the same position as us. The rest are making up the numbers.
France have always had good backs and front rows. It now looks like they’ve got a good back five too. I can’t recall them ever having such good players in all fifteen shirts. So, I’m back to France (their best ever team) against Ireland ( their best ever team).
 
But, but, but England are the best and should beat everybody cos they should.

I watched a lot of the game and it really was L'pool 7 Man Ut 0 territory.

Today should be interesting. I can see Scotland giving Ireland a game, but if Ireland step up another bp is on the cards. When Eng turn up in Dublin, they will be the first team to prevent a bp in a 30-17 defeat.
 
Stony Hill said:
I won’t disagree with you because I haven’t seen the groups.
My judgement of the RU World Cup is based on what I’ve seen from the November series and the 6 Nations. If it could be a France-Ireland final, then they deserve it. Yes, Ireland did beat France 2(?) weeks ago and No I didn’t see it.
“Scope for a Scotland upset”? If they play like they did in Paris, why not?
What will the Boks or the All Blacks have in store? By tradition, anyone beating them would win it. Australia? No. They’re in the same position as us. The rest are making up the numbers.
France have always had good backs and front rows. It now looks like they’ve got a good back five too. I can’t recall them ever having such good players in all fifteen shirts. So, I’m back to France (their best ever team) against Ireland ( their best ever team).
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One half of the draw and likely quarter finalists to play each other: England Australia / Wales or Fiji/ Argentina or Japan

Other half: NZ, France then 2 of SA/Ireland/Scotland - NZ and France to play the 2 that get through

Totally unbalanced draw
 
We all watched the rugby in a pub in Bristol and amazingly saw a worse performance by England than blackpool earlier in the day so cheered us up a bit.
 
I don’t disagree with any of the above comments.

I will throw a “flash of light” in a dark situation.

If….and only “if”……..
England had kept their discipline 5 yards from the French try line on about 7 occasions and took the “schoolboy” handling errors and knock-on’s out of their game the score would have been nothing like as “horrific”!!

It’s almost like when we have learned to do the hard bit, we 100% fail on the “basics”.

In theory though they “should” be easier to put right quickly and with the World Cup on the way we must do it now!!

I quite like the style of rugby we are “trying” to play and think our pace and physicality is good but…….

Those basic errors are frightening to the point that at times this game from an England fan perspective was “unwatchable” 🙄

In fairness the French were very good and have some “quality” players.

Here’s to better times on both a Seasiders 🧡⚽️ and England rugby 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏉 perspective.
 
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