Fans groups meeting with the club tomorrow evening…….

What is the benefit in that?
Transparency, not just this meeting but the dialogue meetings. If “groups” like the Tangerine Knights are invited when they don’t represent anyone, why can’t the meetings be put on YouTube live to other supporters?
I’ve attended one, nothing that was said that was anything that couldn’t be repeated or attendees sworn to secrecy
 
I can honestly say that over the years there have been many songs from the terraces that have made me cringe, the tower and mosque one is one as is the here for the gay bars, but I also can't stand songs like stand up if you hate Preston or go get your fathers gun, they are ** awful and I class them as songs that do not get behind the team, which is what it is all about, we. can still have an intimidating atmosphere without certain songs, things like the spirit in the sky Jerry song and the Charlie Patino songs were pure genius and it raised the players efforts as do many others. Songs about the IRA, the Pope, WTF have they got to do with football or getting behind the team?

Natalie, the GSO, is just doing her job, this has come from on high, Sadler is the one who has told her to do what she is doing, she certainly doesn't deserve any abuse and nor should she get any. So, any moans, direct them to peas are green.

The Lancashire id wonderful song has been around for years, but the words have been changed, it just needs to revert back to what it was.

Anyway, the Critch way will soon have the Tamazepan effect on the crowd and there won't be any songs because everyone will be to bored and fucked off to sing anything, it's a genius plan.

Oh, and if the club are being watched like a hawk by the EFL with threats of large fines and/or stand closures, then that needs to be listened to and addressed.
The patino song was literally about him ** hating Preston.
 
Stand closures 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That is one of the things being threatened, laugh all you want but sometimes the club have to do what they have to do and the supporters need to do their bit too, it's not exactly a hardship is it? It's just shit football songs, chucking stuff etc.,things have changed since the 70's or haven't you noticed?
 
That is one of the things being threatened, laugh all you want but sometimes the club have to do what they have to do and the supporters need to do their bit too, it's not exactly a hardship is it? It's just shit football songs, chucking stuff etc.,things have changed since the 70's or haven't you noticed?
How many stands have you ever seen closed in England due to fans singing ?
 
How many stands have you ever seen closed in England due to fans singing ?
I'm just saying what the club have been threatened with, I have no doubt it won't happen, but it doesn't make certain chants right, hopefully it will blow over, I have no idea. why they need to call a meeting of supporters groups. I'd rather know about Joseph's injury and if we are going to get3 or 4 decent players in or is it going to be a load of shit like the past 3 windows.
 
I'm just saying what the club have been threatened with, I have no doubt it won't happen, but it doesn't make certain chants right, hopefully it will blow over, I have no idea. why they need to call a meeting of supporters groups. I'd rather know about Joseph's injury and if we are going to get3 or 4 decent players in or is it going to be a load of shit like the past 3 windows.
I wouldn’t mind seeing proof from the club they have actually been threatened with this.
Yes it’s going to be a load of shit like the last 3 windows.
 
Only one of us seems to be trigger or hot under the collar about this and it certainly isn't me. I'm used to having straight men tell me how I should be feeling so its nothing new for me. Typical misogynistic homophobia 😂
The thing is though... I didn't tell you how you should be feeling.(not once).. You have seemingly projected your own internalised perspective onto my words and then completely misconstrued what I had actually said. And now your using my sexuality, or at least the sexuality that you have attributed to me, because I haven't referenced it, as some kind of stick to beat me with. What's all that about? Do you really believe what you have written above and if so, how do you justify an accusation of "Typical misogynistic homophobia" on the basis of my comments on here? Are you sure you've read them correctly?

Am I homophobic and misogynistic because I have an opinion that is different to yours?, Am I homophobic, because I don't accept your assumed right to invalidate or place a lower value on my opinion, because of your sexuality / gender?

As far as I can see. the chant about 'Gay Bars' is unequivocally homophobic in it's nature. It uses homosexuality as a put down to heterosexual men... At the root of the chant it's essentially playing on the stereotype that gay men are effeminate, poncey and lesser men.... It's effectively equivalence of calling someone a puff, because he wears a pink shirt or makes tea for his wife etc.

I didn't say at any point that it was offensive or suggest that you or anyone else should feel offended, or for that matter, feel anything else about the chant. What I said was a) That your sexuality or mine isn't a determining factor in our ability to discuss or understand the subject and b) That there other factors at play beyond the overly simplistic idea of 'individual offence'... In fact I really don't think it matters whether a chant is offensive or not, because the in many cases the intention is to be offensive... In fact in some cases the more offensive to the opposition the better.

The point with many of these chants 'Tower and Mosque', 'Oh Lancashire' & 'Gay Bars' is that they all sit on the fringe ... There's no question as to the underlying nature of all of the chants... 'Tower and Mosque' seeks to besmirch Preston Fans, due to their Town's large Asian Community (It has racist undertones), 'Oh Lancashire' has it's roots in female sexual objectification and as I've said, the 'Gay Bars' chant has it's roots in homophobia.

We've mostly moved on from chants like "Town Full of Paki's", "Get Your Tits Out for the Lads" & "Town full of Queers" etc... because we know better and hopefully because our society and the game has progressed for the better. There were plenty of people saying exactly the same things about those chants and many of the ones that went on before, but nonetheless we moved on and they haven't been missed in the slightest - in fact Football is better for it. These remaining 'fringe' chants are really remnants of that by-gone era... They're a Dog Whistle back to a former time and for many they are a vehicle through which they can still express and hold onto their prejudices and 'get away with it'.

So as I see it, this is not about you or anyone else being offended and I'm certainly not (as you seem to suggest) riding in on a white horse to protect you or whatever group or community you choose to associate yourself with. Frankly, I don't really care whether you are personally offended or not, but I do care about the society that I live in and I also care about Blackpool FC and I can understand why society, the Football authorities and the Club would prefer to move away from these kinds of chants and the kind of attitudes and prejudices that they encourage.
 
The thing is though... I didn't tell you how you should be feeling.(not once).. You have seemingly projected your own internalised perspective onto my words and then completely misconstrued what I had actually said. And now your using my sexuality, or at least the sexuality that you have attributed to me, because I haven't referenced it, as some kind of stick to beat me with. What's all that about? Do you really believe what you have written above and if so, how do you justify an accusation of "Typical misogynistic homophobia" on the basis of my comments on here? Are you sure you've read them correctly?

Am I homophobic and misogynistic because I have an opinion that is different to yours?, Am I homophobic, because I don't accept your assumed right to invalidate or place a lower value on my opinion, because of your sexuality / gender?

As far as I can see. the chant about 'Gay Bars' is unequivocally homophobic in it's nature. It uses homosexuality as a put down to heterosexual men... At the root of the chant it's essentially playing on the stereotype that gay men are effeminate, poncey and lesser men.... It's effectively equivalence of calling someone a puff, because he wears a pink shirt or makes tea for his wife etc.

I didn't say at any point that it was offensive or suggest that you or anyone else should feel offended, or for that matter, feel anything else about the chant. What I said was a) That your sexuality or mine isn't a determining factor in our ability to discuss or understand the subject and b) That there other factors at play beyond the overly simplistic idea of 'individual offence'... In fact I really don't think it matters whether a chant is offensive or not, because the in many cases the intention is to be offensive... In fact in some cases the more offensive to the opposition the better.

The point with many of these chants 'Tower and Mosque', 'Oh Lancashire' & 'Gay Bars' is that they all sit on the fringe ... There's no question as to the underlying nature of all of the chants... 'Tower and Mosque' seeks to besmirch Preston Fans, due to their Town's large Asian Community (It has racist undertones), 'Oh Lancashire' has it's roots in female sexual objectification and as I've said, the 'Gay Bars' chant has it's roots in homophobia.

We've mostly moved on from chants like "Town Full of Paki's", "Get Your Tits Out for the Lads" & "Town full of Queers" etc... because we know better and hopefully because our society and the game has progressed for the better. There were plenty of people saying exactly the same things about those chants and many of the ones that went on before, but nonetheless we moved on and they haven't been missed in the slightest - in fact Football is better for it. These remaining 'fringe' chants are really remnants of that by-gone era... They're a Dog Whistle back to a former time and for many they are a vehicle through which they can still express and hold onto their prejudices and 'get away with it'.

So as I see it, this is not about you or anyone else being offended and I'm certainly not (as you seem to suggest) riding in on a white horse to protect you or whatever group or community you choose to associate yourself with. Frankly, I don't really care whether you are personally offended or not, but I do care about the society that I live in and I also care about Blackpool FC and I can understand why society, the Football authorities and the Club would prefer to move away from these kinds of chants and the kind of attitudes and prejudices that they encourage.
Where’s the evidence that the majority of Blackpool fans want to do away with the chant ? Please can you back this up ?
 
The thing is though... I didn't tell you how you should be feeling.(not once).. You have seemingly projected your own internalised perspective onto my words and then completely misconstrued what I had actually said. And now your using my sexuality, or at least the sexuality that you have attributed to me, because I haven't referenced it, as some kind of stick to beat me with. What's all that about? Do you really believe what you have written above and if so, how do you justify an accusation of "Typical misogynistic homophobia" on the basis of my comments on here? Are you sure you've read them correctly?

Am I homophobic and misogynistic because I have an opinion that is different to yours?, Am I homophobic, because I don't accept your assumed right to invalidate or place a lower value on my opinion, because of your sexuality / gender?

As far as I can see. the chant about 'Gay Bars' is unequivocally homophobic in it's nature. It uses homosexuality as a put down to heterosexual men... At the root of the chant it's essentially playing on the stereotype that gay men are effeminate, poncey and lesser men.... It's effectively equivalence of calling someone a puff, because he wears a pink shirt or makes tea for his wife etc.

I didn't say at any point that it was offensive or suggest that you or anyone else should feel offended, or for that matter, feel anything else about the chant. What I said was a) That your sexuality or mine isn't a determining factor in our ability to discuss or understand the subject and b) That there other factors at play beyond the overly simplistic idea of 'individual offence'... In fact I really don't think it matters whether a chant is offensive or not, because the in many cases the intention is to be offensive... In fact in some cases the more offensive to the opposition the better.

The point with many of these chants 'Tower and Mosque', 'Oh Lancashire' & 'Gay Bars' is that they all sit on the fringe ... There's no question as to the underlying nature of all of the chants... 'Tower and Mosque' seeks to besmirch Preston Fans, due to their Town's large Asian Community (It has racist undertones), 'Oh Lancashire' has it's roots in female sexual objectification and as I've said, the 'Gay Bars' chant has it's roots in homophobia.

We've mostly moved on from chants like "Town Full of Paki's", "Get Your Tits Out for the Lads" & "Town full of Queers" etc... because we know better and hopefully because our society and the game has progressed for the better. There were plenty of people saying exactly the same things about those chants and many of the ones that went on before, but nonetheless we moved on and they haven't been missed in the slightest - in fact Football is better for it. These remaining 'fringe' chants are really remnants of that by-gone era... They're a Dog Whistle back to a former time and for many they are a vehicle through which they can still express and hold onto their prejudices and 'get away with it'.

So as I see it, this is not about you or anyone else being offended and I'm certainly not (as you seem to suggest) riding in on a white horse to protect you or whatever group or community you choose to associate yourself with. Frankly, I don't really care whether you are personally offended or not, but I do care about the society that I live in and I also care about Blackpool FC and I can understand why society, the Football authorities and the Club would prefer to move away from these kinds of chants and the kind of attitudes and prejudices that they encourage.
Morning Dazzy Data,

I see you had a late night last night, no doubt doctoring the data to ensure an “overwhelming majority” of Blackpool fans believe the chant should be binned. Can you provide me with said data, yet? Or is still a work-in-progress?
 
Where’s the evidence that the majority of Blackpool fans want to do away with the chant ? Please can you back this up ?
The evidence is pretty clear when you’re in the ground and about 5-10% chant it whilst the rest don’t. It’s a cringey pathetic chant sang by imbeciles and men who could only dream of a woman’s touch. The sooner it’s gone the better. I’m embarrassed our fans are singing it.
 
Dum-dum want sing song bouts tits a fannies. Is funny. Ha. Ha. See. Good song. Lol. Me never seen real tits a fannies so is great song. Lol. Funny. Keep song or me be angry boy-man. Can't change wordies. Me nono how do new wordies. Anyone having fight? I come. Fight like real boy-man. Drink pintys. Love tities a fannies lol.
Ridiculous as it is… this has nailed it. 🤦‍♂️
 
The evidence is pretty clear when you’re in the ground and about 5-10% chant it whilst the rest don’t. It’s a cringey pathetic chant sang by imbeciles and men who could only dream of a woman’s touch. The sooner it’s gone the better. I’m embarrassed our fans are singing it.
My wife, 2 daughters, 3 sisters and mother all think men getting upset over some lads saying tits is pathetic and they reckon men these days are more emotional than women and actually need to deal with some real issues in the world.

Remember
Weak men bring tough times.
Tough men bring good times.
 
My wife, 2 daughters, 3 sisters and mother all think men getting upset over some lads saying tits is pathetic and they reckon men these days are more emotional than women and actually need to deal with some real issues in the world.

Remember
Weak men bring tough times.
Tough men bring good times.
Ok… so you’ve taken the time to approach the 7 females in your life to ask them specifically their thoughts on this chant? That to me sounds like maybe you’re getting a bit worked up by this as opposed to anyone else.

Also - and this is the point you’re missing - it’s nothing to do with men or some man getting upset. I’ve no idea and doubt anyone outside the club knows who’s made a complaint regarding the chant - the fact is the complaint was made and the club therefore has to take steps to resolve it. I think most are irritated that a small group seem set on continuing to chant something outdated and cringey knowing that it’s going against the wishes of the club and that it does naturally fly in the face of whoever IS offended.

Not singing it is a matter of being a decent reasonable person. It’s not a question of offence.
 
Ok… so you’ve taken the time to approach the 7 females in your life to ask them specifically their thoughts on this chant? That to me sounds like maybe you’re getting a bit worked up by this as opposed to anyone else.

Also - and this is the point you’re missing - it’s nothing to do with men or some man getting upset. I’ve no idea and doubt anyone outside the club knows who’s made a complaint regarding the chant - the fact is the complaint was made and the club therefore has to take steps to resolve it. I think most are irritated that a small group seem set on continuing to chant something outdated and cringey knowing that it’s going against the wishes of the club and that it does naturally fly in the face of whoever IS offended.

Not singing it is a matter of being a decent reasonable person. It’s not a question of offence.
In life there are many things we don’t like but other people don’t care, you just have to deal with it.
 
Ok… so you’ve taken the time to approach the 7 females in your life to ask them specifically their thoughts on this chant? That to me sounds like maybe you’re getting a bit worked up by this as opposed to anyone else.

Also - and this is the point you’re missing - it’s nothing to do with men or some man getting upset. I’ve no idea and doubt anyone outside the club knows who’s made a complaint regarding the chant - the fact is the complaint was made and the club therefore has to take steps to resolve it. I think most are irritated that a small group seem set on continuing to chant something outdated and cringey knowing that it’s going against the wishes of the club and that it does naturally fly in the face of whoever IS offended.

Not singing it is a matter of being a decent reasonable person. It’s not a question of offence.
He’s asked the overwhelming majority of women in his life!

I am offended by being told “I am not disabled” by the stand manager at the Port Vale game. I need an email to lodge said complaint and then, expect avftt to be outraged.
 
He’s asked the overwhelming majority of women in his life!

I am offended by being told “I am not disabled” by the stand manager at the Port Vale game. I need an email to lodge said complaint and then, expect avftt to be outraged.
Not sure that’s relevant. Also not sure why you’re offended the stand manager isn’t disabled.
 
Someone give BFCx3 a call and check he’s not fallen asleep at his computer while frantically trying to doctor data to back up his claims that the “overwhelming majority” want the song binned!!
 
It’s not hypocritical at all. There are issues with fracking in this area not related to the use of oil and gas.
I’m not sure they have managed to grasp the massive flaw in that ‘argument’. Classic case of 2+2 = 5 ….
 
Someone give BFCx3 a call and check he’s not fallen asleep at his computer while frantically trying to doctor data to back up his claims that the “overwhelming majority” want the song binned!!
Why would I need to doctor ant data. I’ve already achieved my objective 👍
 
I think it says a lot about the state of the world we live in today, that singing a song about ‘Tits and Fannies’ is considered to be the behaviour of ‘Tough Men’

Post your data please, Data Daz

l haven’t got any data, I was just bullshitting to prove a point.
 
Given the high proportion of gay friendly bars and clubs in Blackpool, and the huge contribution the LGBTQ scene makes to the local economy, would it not be better to change line 3 to: "It's full of cocks, arseholes and Blackpool"?

This would allow supporters to display their pride (if you'll excuse the pun) in their local town and also show that we won't be mollycoddled by a nanny state. Food for thought.
 
Given the high proportion of gay friendly bars and clubs in Blackpool, and the huge contribution the LGBTQ scene makes to the local economy, would it not be better to change line 3 to: "It's full of cocks, arseholes and Blackpool"?

This would allow supporters to display their pride (if you'll excuse the pun) in their local town and also show that we won't be mollycoddled by a nanny state. Food for thought.
🤣🤣
 
Given the high proportion of gay friendly bars and clubs in Blackpool, and the huge contribution the LGBTQ scene makes to the local economy, would it not be better to change line 3 to: "It's full of cocks, arseholes and Blackpool"?

This would allow supporters to display their pride (if you'll excuse the pun) in their local town and also show that we won't be mollycoddled by a nanny state. Food for thought.
Whilst it’s a good idea I do think your choice of language is probably a bit too mature.

Maybe “It’s full of willies, bums and Blackpool” would be more apt for our resident ‘Tough Men’ to sing. 😉
 
Given the high proportion of gay friendly bars and clubs in Blackpool, and the huge contribution the LGBTQ scene makes to the local economy, would it not be better to change line 3 to: "It's full of cocks, arseholes and Blackpool"?

This would allow supporters to display their pride (if you'll excuse the pun) in their local town and also show that we won't be mollycoddled by a nanny state. Food for thought.
But then you’d get the “Think about how that would make Jake Daniels feel?!?!” crew on your case 😵‍💫💀
 
Because you make stuff up. Just point blank talking shit.
What has me making shit up got to do with anything?

There’s plenty, including yourself who’ve gone completely OTT about a daft little song (and it’s not the first time either). And that was happening before I ever mentioned anything.

You’re supposed to be ‘Grown Men’… ‘Tough Men’ if we go by your own definition and yet the Toys are coming out of the pram, because some other people have questioned the need for you to sing a pathetic chant about ‘Tits and Fannies’..

If you want to treat the ‘Tits and Fannies’ song as a modern day ‘Waterloo’ that’s up to you, I just think it’s a crap chant and would be more than happy for it to be consigned to room 101.
 
What has me making shit up got to do with anything?

There’s plenty, including yourself who’ve gone completely OTT about a daft little song (and it’s not the first time either). And that was happening before I ever mentioned anything.

You’re supposed to be ‘Grown Men’… ‘Tough Men’ if we go by your own definition and yet the Toys are coming out of the pram, because some other people have questioned the need for you to sing a pathetic chant about ‘Tits and Fannies’..

If you want to treat the ‘Tits and Fannies’ song as a modern day ‘Waterloo’ that’s up to you, I just think it’s a crap chant and would be more than happy for it to be consigned to room 101.
That’s the point. YOU are happy for it to be thrown in the bin. That doesn’t mean it should be. Something you obviously can’t get your head around.
 
Of course it should be , it's ** rubbish! Its like something my 8 year old lad would come up with in 5 minutes at break time. Now we have to listen to it every minutes, whereas it used to be once every couple of months or so for a few seconds.
 
I don’t know what that means… None of what you or the other bloke has said makes any kind of logical sense at all.

And nor does a statement that says “It’s how you live your life”

What has Fracking, what car you assume I drive, what I choose to do for holiday have to do with this discussion? Or for that matter each other?

And have you stopped for a moment to consider that the point you think you are making is actually not a point at all, but rather (as I already said) the result of a false dichotomy.
He might also be misrepresenting, in your eyes, issues as being contradictory or opposed to each other. Then again, it could be you prising the word dichotomy into a discussion where it doesn't really belong.
 
Of course it should be , it's ** rubbish! Its like something my 8 year old lad would come up with in 5 minutes at break time. Now we have to listen to it every minutes, whereas it used to be once every couple of months or so for a few seconds.
This is exactly what I was saying last night. This has been made such a big issue, when it didn't need to be. It's a shit song that bearly got sung, now we will be listening to it multiple times a game for at least the next few months.
 
I disagree... I think being 'Offended' has very little to do with it 2020.... If it was simply about being 'offended' then "He ** hates PNE", "Dirty Yorkshire Bastard", "XXXXX Town is a shithole" and a whole range of other chants would be under the microscope.

It's about the nature of the chants and the fact that we have (as a society in general) developed beyond them. Whether that's through education, developing empathetic understanding through communication, reflecting on past prejudice, harm, intolerance, injustice, abuse etc... we've managed to gain a better insight into why it's important to treat certain characteristics with more care and respect. The reasons we do that is to try and create a better society for everyone.... So we wouldn't chant "The referee is a spastic" or "throw bananas at Black Players" and likewise we shouldn't be objectifying women or using someone's sexuality as an insult. (It's not about the offence it causes in the immediacy of a game of football or the one or two individuals who might find it offensive - I suspect most wouldn't), but instead about a basic reignition of what is right and wrong, based on the historical context and appreciation of where we have come from / been through to arrive at where we are.....

Talking about these things in terms of individual offence is just a means by which people can trivialise them and self-justify unacceptable and completely unnecessary behaviour.
I agree with what you say: as a society we have moved on beyond this sort of peurile and sexist nonsense. Even so, not everyone who attends football matches is mature enough to recognise this. Also, I doubt if there's much thought goes into what is being sung. It's just a loud noise made by one set of supporters. Perhaps it makes them feel that they are not in a library.
 
By the way, I can’t get the image of @Northstandsinger gathering up all the Females in his family this morning…

NSS… Morning Ladies, I’m interested in your opinions… Me and the Lads are taking a stand against this Wokey Culture.

Ladies.. We’re just busy knitting and making you a hearty breakfast , before we get on with the rest of our chores… will this take long?

NSS … No , not too long.. It’s about our rights to sing about ‘Tits, Fannies and Blackpool’ … They’re trying to stop us singing it at the Football?

Ladies … Oh that sounds like a really important and crucial battle that needs to be fought. Could you possibly put the washing line up in the garden first though?

NSS… I’ll do it later, so what do you think?

Ladies … You and your mates sound like a right bunch of Wet Lettuces

NSS… What was that?

Ladies.. We’re just preparing the salad for your manly sandwiches

NSS… Thanks… but what about our stand against wokey fascism?

Ladies … It all sounds like blokes getting over-emotional… We’ve got more important issues to worry about … Like the washing line …
 
That’s the point. YOU are happy for it to be thrown in the bin. That doesn’t mean it should be. Something you obviously can’t get your head around.
Of course I can get my head around it… what gives you that impression?

Whether it should or shouldn’t be is obviously a matter of opinion.
 
I can speak for alot of the LGBTQ fan that go to games because I know alot of them. You say you aren't trying to lecture me, but that's exactly as you are coming across. YOU think it's homophobic, yet you have someone who has experience homophobia on multiple occasions in my life and even at football games in the past telling you that it isn't, but you are putting your opinions above mine. You are so blinded by trying to be the white Knight coming to rescue us that you can't see we dont want you too. This isn't going anywhere though so I'll leave this with have a good night and up the pool.
I am playing catch-up on this thread and you won't have the last word with him 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♀️
 
Do you want to explain your comments, or is calling me a knob and misinterpreting my comments the best you can come up with?


No were not... were discussing it because the overwhelming majority of our fanbase think the chant should be consigned to the dustbin and we've got a group of supposedly Grown Men who think they're making some kind of stance by singing about Tits and Fannies.... It's not up to me to stop the chanting... I just think it's a shit song ... Seemingly having an opinion that conflicts with the Bully Boys is now considered narcissistic
Overwhelming majority think it should be confined to the bin??? I think the overwhelming majority of home fans on Saturday sang it as a two fingered salute to the person who tried to dictate to Hoggy what he could or could not drum to. Oh and for you Northstanders, the Orient fans then sang their version in support but you probably couldn’t hear it 👍🏼
 
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