Football psychology/Social media

the_dog

the_dog

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Interesting listening to Andy Bayes and Gary Bowyer talk about football psychology last night and in particular Dom Thomson who clearly is a confidence player as Andy said pre-season he talked about what happens when he makes a mistake (and you wonder if his hesitancy with that pass back to goal last night and the header which ballooned nowhere is because in those 'high risk' moments he hasn't got confidence in himself to make the right decision.
I also wonder as a youngster if the hammering players get nowadays on social media has its toll. I can't imagine any hunt out sites like AVFTT but you can't get away from social media and fans are pretty ruthless on there. Wonder how many careers have been ruined because of that negativity?
 
Not a recent thing, do you remember a player called Jason Lee - baddiel and skinner used to have a rolling joke about him wearing a pineapple on his head. Later said it really affected him - all pre social media. I suppose some people can block it out and others suffer - all depends person by person.
 
Long-shanks said:
Not a recent thing, do you remember a player called Jason Lee - baddiel and skinner used to have a rolling joke about him wearing a pineapple on his head. Later said it really affected him - all pre social media. I suppose some people can block it out and others suffer - all depends person by person.
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Exactly. People are different. One persons motivation might be a kick up the arse for a mistake and pull your socks up. His mate, same mistake needs a cuddle and told it'll come right, don't worry. People respond differently to the same stimulus.

Applied to football it's the art of management
 
Anyone who has listened to Clarke Carlisle talk about this subject can't fail to realise just how devastating the consequences can be when some players are singled out for abuse. It's all very well being a football fan and getting frustrated when players are not doing well, but there's a huge difference between having a bit of a whinge after a game and the full on snarling, foaming at the mouth abuse that goes on in some quarters. Quite how anyone thinks they have the right to subject another human being to that level of vitriol because of a poor football performance is beyond me.
Quite apart from the fact that if you want your team to do the best they can, getting on their backs and dragging everyone down is definitely not the way to do it.
 
CSSeasider said:
Anyone who has listened to Clarke Carlisle talk about this subject can't fail to realise just how devastating the consequences can be when some players are singled out for abuse. It's all very well being a football fan and getting frustrated when players are not doing well, but there's a huge difference between having a bit of a whinge after a game and the full on snarling, foaming at the mouth abuse that goes on in some quarters. Quite how anyone thinks they have the right to subject another human being to that level of vitriol because of a poor football performance is beyond me.
Quite apart from the fact that if you want your team to do the best they can, getting on their backs and dragging everyone down is definitely not the way to do it.
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This site has examples of the foaming over certain players, CJ being one example.

Some of the comments were way over the top, demeaning and unnecessary.
 
You want to be a footballer, then you can expect very mixed reactions on social media. Not nice but there is an element of the player being coached in how to deal with it very young to cope, or rather avoid.

In the days gone by players used to get stick on nights out. In some cases they tried to give it back and in one case he didn't expect a toilet cistern being ripped off the wall and hurled at him. He wasn't so smug after that.
 
fcblackpool said:
You want to be a footballer, then you can expect very mixed reactions on social media. Not nice but there is an element of the player being coached in how to deal with it very young to cope, or rather avoid.

In the days gone by players used to get stick on nights out. In some cases they tried to give it back and in one case he didn't expect a toilet cistern being ripped off the wall and hurled at him. He wasn't so smug after that.
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But no one should have to expect it. We need to stop accepting this kind of lowlife behaviour as the norm. It’s just the way it is because we allow it to be just the way it is. And it doesn’t matter if you want to be a footballer, doctor or street sweeper.
 
traffordtang said:
But no one should have to expect it. We need to stop accepting this kind of lowlife behaviour as the norm. It’s just the way it is because we allow it to be just the way it is. And it doesn’t matter if you want to be a footballer, doctor or street sweeper.
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You'd like it to stop being the norm would you? We've now got the best part of two generations that don't give a fuck about anyone because they've been allowed to get away with whatever they want for ages.

We've now got knife crime as the norm unfortunately ☹️
 
I'd take having hurty words shouted at me rather than a knife pushed into me.
 
Wizzerboy said:
I'd take having hurty words shouted at me rather than a knife pushed into me.
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That may be so,
But I'm struggling to see what your point is.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs if you justify hurling abuse at someone by suggesting they should be grateful it's not a knife

And, anyway, differ in their severity they may, do they not come from the same place? If we all had a basic level of respect for one another, neither would happen
 
traffordtang said:
But no one should have to expect it. We need to stop accepting this kind of lowlife behaviour as the norm. It’s just the way it is because we allow it to be just the way it is. And it doesn’t matter if you want to be a footballer, doctor or street sweeper.
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I agree, but there is no magic wand.

As much as we'd like it and until then there has to be an element of realism that these things actually do happen.
 
CSSeasider said:
Anyone who has listened to Clarke Carlisle talk about this subject can't fail to realise just how devastating the consequences can be when some players are singled out for abuse. It's all very well being a football fan and getting frustrated when players are not doing well, but there's a huge difference between having a bit of a whinge after a game and the full on snarling, foaming at the mouth abuse that goes on in some quarters. Quite how anyone thinks they have the right to subject another human being to that level of vitriol because of a poor football performance is beyond me.
Quite apart from the fact that if you want your team to do the best they can, getting on their backs and dragging everyone down is definitely not the way to do it.
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Spot on👍
 
WolvoSeasider said:
That may be so,
But I'm struggling to see what your point is.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs if you justify hurling abuse at someone by suggesting they should be grateful it's not a knife

And, anyway, differ in their severity they may, do they not come from the same place? If we all had a basic level of respect for one another, neither would happen
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Totally agree, I see you've decided to neglect the rest of my post though.
It's a softly softly approach to kids and their parents that have lead us into this shit storm.
In my opinion, it's never been this bad
 
Wizzerboy said:
Totally agree, I see you've decided to neglect the rest of my post though.
It's a softly softly approach to kids and their parents that have lead us into this shit storm.
In my opinion, it's never been this bad
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Apologies. I agree with your post in the main, I just thought the comparison between knives and insults was missing the point a bit

But absolutely it's never been this bad. I guess my point is that we don't all have the power to make the world a slightly better place by not using a knife (simply because most of us don't use one) but a much larger number of us do have the power to make the world a slightly better place by being kinder with our words. And I think when discussing footballers is where a lot of people who are otherwise perfectly respectful kind of slip up with that, because it's just accepted as the norm in that context. But why on earth should it be?
 
Some of the abuse hurled at our own players and manager is disgraceful on here to be honest.
 
Long-shanks said:
Not a recent thing, do you remember a player called Jason Lee - baddiel and skinner used to have a rolling joke about him wearing a pineapple on his head. Later said it really affected him - all pre social media. I suppose some people can block it out and others suffer - all depends person by person.
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Think he scored for Watford against us???
 
BlackpoolPunk said:
Think he scored for Watford against us???
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Yes I was at that game.
It was from a corner, just beforehand our trumpeter was playing the pineapple song that was being sung in football grounds when he played.
When Lee scored he made a quite angry celebration in front of our fans.
There is a documentary about the treatment of Lee by Baddiel and Skinner at the time.
 
Pun_1 said:
Some of the abuse hurled at our own players and manager is disgraceful on here to be honest.
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What abuse? Abuse is directed. That's why people talk on here. It's not like people are doing it to their faces? Or tagging them on twitter or instagram or sending them an email.

What a load of absolute tosh. 99.9999 percent of comments are absolutely fine.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Yes I was at that game.
It was from a corner, just beforehand our trumpeter was playing the pineapple song that was being sung in football grounds when he played.
When Lee scored he made a quite angry celebration in front of our fans.
There is a documentary about the treatment of Lee by Baddiel and Skinner at the time.
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Was at that game too. Lost 4-1. Never seemed more obvious he was going to score after the heckling. Loved FFL but in my naive youth I always assumed he was in on the joke and they'd cleared it with him first. He was actually a decent EFL journeyman (no shame in that) just pushed above his level by Forest when they sold Stan Collymore.

I noticed Critchley decided to throw Kyle Joseph under a bus in his post match in front of the national media last Sunday instead of just talking about the team performance. Regardless of what fans are typing on a forum behind a username (Critchley's comments led to it's own thread on here asking if Joseph is all that, and then your obligatory panicky Mavis Wilton types piling on saying don't be critical), you always have to hope that sort of thing is directed properly when it's the actual manager to the actual players.
 
poolfc said:
Was at that game too. Lost 4-1. Never seemed more obvious he was going to score after the heckling. Loved FFL but in my naive youth I always assumed he was in on the joke and they'd cleared it with him first. He was actually a decent EFL journeyman (no shame in that) just pushed above his level by Forest when they sold Stan Collymore.

I noticed Critchley decided to throw Kyle Joseph under a bus in his post match in front of the national media last Sunday instead of just talking about the team performance. Regardless of what fans are typing on a forum behind a username (Critchley's comments led to it's own thread on here asking if Joseph is all that, and then your obligatory panicky Mavis Wilton types piling on saying don't be critical), you always have to hope that sort of thing is directed properly when it's the actual manager to the actual players.
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Yeah that's the match, the singing about his pineapple was followed by got a turnip for his head (Graham Taylor) them got a sh#t wig on his head (Elton John)
 
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