Fracking

WIZARD OF TANGERINE

WIZARD OF TANGERINE

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I see Truss has given the go ahead for Fracking ,gas and oil exploration . That will help global warming , the floods and the wild fires . Why not come up with all new houses will have solar panels and at least 1 tree if their garden if it is big enough or even have miniature wind turbines for new houses . I know it won't solve the problem completely ,but its got to be better then going back to what is causing the end of our planet just to allow these energy firms to get richer.
 
The quickest cheapest win is to insulate all our old housing stock. Legislate to make ALL new builds carbon neutral ( knew someone 12 years ago who lived in a flat that was). Solar on the roof, mini turbines don't help, due to manufacturing costs, but a bigger one per development, great. Air and ground source heat pumps for housing heating. Build houses to take advantage of the sun's heat.

As above, the technology is all there, it's just it doesn't make profits for the mega energy companies.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
The quickest cheapest win is to insulate all our old housing stock. Legislate to make ALL new builds carbon neutral ( knew someone 12 years ago who lived in a flat that was). Solar on the roof, mini turbines don't help, due to manufacturing costs, but a bigger one per development, great. Air and ground source heat pumps for housing heating. Build houses to take advantage of the sun's heat.

As above, the technology is all there, it's just it doesn't make profits for the mega energy companies.
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Housing companies as well not very interested as the cost eats into their profits.

Given current events, it is also about energy security - surely now is the time to legislate.
 
Ruperthoop said:
You are talking far too much sense . This should have been an ongoing commitment of governments over many years.
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My 90 year old house is insulated with triple glazed windows it makes little difference the heating will be going on in the next week or two it will have to.

These projects are all well and good to try and make houses better but we still need energy for every day life and we need Gas NOW so if that's fracking so be it.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
All of the above is good stuff. My gripe is that there has not been the investment in wave technology that there should have been already. There is no commercial traffic down the Ribble anymore so why not get on with erecting a barrage? Not a rhetorical question btw. I'd really like to know why this hasn't been done.
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Cost is the main answer I think.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
All of the above is good stuff. My gripe is that there has not been the investment in wave technology that there should have been already. There is no commercial traffic down the Ribble anymore so why not get on with erecting a barrage? Not a rhetorical question btw. I'd really like to know why this hasn't been done.
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same as the wyre
 
We already have gas now. We don’t have the storage. That’s what they should be on with, not fracturing the earth’s crust. 2 more years of protests and blockages I expect, until Labour kick her out in 2024.
 
The houses down our road have just stopped shaking from that last tremor ! Seriously, the Fylde coast , especially St Annes , already has unstable land due it's sandy sub structure and is totally unsuitable for fracking.
 
Truss and Co seem completely backward in their approach / thinking on energy policy to me.

Even if the U.K. were self-sufficient in gas the consumer would not benefit without the political will to cap producer profiteering.

On the one hand she talks about ‘discouraging investment’ as a result of windfall taxation and then a n the other she’s promoting the withdrawal of green levies that are there to encourage and support investment in green technologies.

To put it bluntly… She’s a ** idiot
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Truss and Co seem completely backward in their approach / thinking on energy policy to me.

Even if the U.K. were self-sufficient in gas the consumer would not benefit without the political will to cap producer profiteering.

On the one hand she talks about ‘discouraging investment’ as a result of windfall taxation and then a n the other she’s promoting the withdrawal of green levies that are there to encourage and support investment in green technologies.

To put it bluntly… She’s a ** idiot
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“Discouraging investment “ is a roundabout way of saying “reducing dividend payments “
 
solar & wind power are unreliable if the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing

As long as the Earth & Moon continue their celestial dance we'll have 2 tides a day and the UK has some of the biggest tides in the world, so, for me, we should be investing in Tidal power rather than wind & Solar, together with an increase in Clean Nuclear power
 
traffordtang said:
“Discouraging investment “ is a roundabout way of saying “reducing dividend payments “
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It’s just ** ridiculous…

The market can’t cope with the degree of volatility and price uncertainty. Suppliers are currently refusing to offer supply contracts to commercial consumers as a result.

Loans and getting rid of green levies along with the vague prospect of increased gas resources in a decade’s time don’t resolve that situation.

We need to reduce price uncertainty (within sensible parameters) and the only realistic way to achieve that is by capping producer costs.

It’s a National Crisis ffs…
 
1966_and_all_that said:
All of the above is good stuff. My gripe is that there has not been the investment in wave technology that there should have been already. There is no commercial traffic down the Ribble anymore so why not get on with erecting a barrage? Not a rhetorical question btw. I'd really like to know why this hasn't been done.
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Not often I agree with you on anything remotely "political", but happy to say I do on this occasion
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It’s just ** ridiculous…

The market can’t cope with the degree of volatility and price uncertainty. Suppliers are currently refusing to offer supply contracts to commercial consumers as a result.

Loans and getting rid of green levies along with the vague prospect of increased gas resources in a decade’s time don’t resolve that situation.

We need to reduce price uncertainty (within sensible parameters) and the only realistic way to achieve that is by capping producer costs.

It’s a National Crisis ffs…
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Another useless policy. Everyone hates fracking in their area because they start to feel the earthquakes, and the reason we stopped is we have no suitable sites anyway, the one in Blackpool had 15x less gas than they thought it had and was abandoned. Not only that, how do we even guarantee it's sold cheaply unless we nationalise it?

It's a pointless policy announcement that will change nothing and barely ever get off the ground. Will do nothing to change energy prices and will need massive subsidies. A poor gamble that the public will like it because it sounds self-sufficient, when fracking is still unpopular.
 
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foggy said:
Another useless policy. Everyone hates fracking in their area because they start to feel the earthquakes, and the reason we stopped is we have no suitable sites anyway, the one in Blackpool had 15x less gas than they thought it had and was abandoned. Not only that, how do we even guarantee it's sold cheaply unless we nationalise it?

It's a pointless policy announcement that will change nothing and barely every get off the ground and a poor gamble that the public will like it because it sounds self-sufficient, when fracking is still unpopular.
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On Tuesday's TV news they were voxpopping some marginal constituencies and when the resurrection of fracking was mentioned some people were welcoming it on the basis that it would mean more local jobs. This is wrong though. Fracking sites don't require many jobs because the operation is largely automated.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
All of the above is good stuff. My gripe is that there has not been the investment in wave technology that there should have been already. There is no commercial traffic down the Ribble anymore so why not get on with erecting a barrage? Not a rhetorical question btw. I'd really like to know why this hasn't been done.
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Don’t have any knowledge on the subject, so take this just an opinion, my concerns would be flooding further up stream might make it unworkable on some estuaries.
 
poolseasider said:
My 90 year old house is insulated with triple glazed windows it makes little difference the heating will be going on in the next week or two it will have to.

These projects are all well and good to try and make houses better but we still need energy for every day life and we need Gas NOW so if that's fracking so be it.
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We do need energy just not certain that the answer is fracking. I had a 90 year old house and made significant savings, had though to spend a lot more money than upgrading doors and windows. Grants could have been accessible historically so that for those in particular who can least afford it can have double glazing, loft and wall insulation etc.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
On Tuesday's TV news they were voxpopping some marginal constituencies and when the resurrection of fracking was mentioned some people were welcoming it on the basis that it would mean more local jobs. This is wrong though. Fracking sites don't require many jobs because the operation is largely automated.
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Yes. They always promise loads of jobs created, money coming into the area, cheap gas for all.

All lies to get folk on board.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
On Tuesday's TV news they were voxpopping some marginal constituencies and when the resurrection of fracking was mentioned some people were welcoming it on the basis that it would mean more local jobs. This is wrong though. Fracking sites don't require many jobs because the operation is largely automated.
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I've said this all along if it was Labour intensive they wouldn't do it!
But people are so ill informed on so many subjects that they develop one dimensional opinions based on the newspaper they read or the news they watch.
If somebody does try to give an independent factual opinion on Fracking media organisations like the Daily Mail will go overboard to describe them as enemies of the state or eco terrorists!!
 
April13th1970 said:
solar & wind power are unreliable if the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing

As long as the Earth & Moon continue their celestial dance we'll have 2 tides a day and the UK has some of the biggest tides in the world, so, for me, we should be investing in Tidal power rather than wind & Solar, together with an increase in Clean Nuclear power
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I would say invest in all of the above but leave fracking out of it.
 
gjr69 said:
I've said this all along if it was Labour intensive they wouldn't do it!
But people are so ill informed on so many subjects that they develop one dimensional opinions based on the newspaper they read or the news they watch.
If somebody does try to give an independent factual opinion on Fracking media organisations like the Daily Mail will go overboard to describe them as enemies of the state or eco terrorists!!
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or even labour intensive.....(small L) 😉
 
We have happened upon possibly the thickest PM with the least talented cabinet in our history. At at time when the UK's hopeless shortsightedness in its climate and energy policy is really starting to bite. There are building regs standards for new build but they are pretty lame. However that's not the biggest problem. Most of our housing stock and indeed buildings of all kinds are here already and are, in large part, hopelessly inefficient. That's where we should have been investing for the lst 20 years or more.
 
Gods honest truth said:
Yeah I had pv panels fitted 10 years ago ,and generate about 20 kWh a day May to July and get paid £1600 a year for exporting my unused electricity to the grid.
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“The best Smart Export Guarantee tariff is Octopus's 7.5p per kWh offering, while the standard rate consumers pay for electricity is currently 28.3p per kWh. That means the Smart Export Guarantee allows companies to buy electricity from you for, at most, 27% of the price they charge you.”
www.theecoexperts.co.uk

Smart Export Guarantee (SEG) Explained in 2024

Get paid for the solar power you send back to the grid with the Smart Export Guarantee. Here’s our guide to how it works and getting the best rates.
www.theecoexperts.co.uk www.theecoexperts.co.uk

To earn £1600 a year, you would need to send 21,333 kWh to the grid. That’s an average of 58.4 kWh for every day of the year, including winter and cloudy days, not 20 kWh a day in high summer. You have either got an extraordinary contract with whatever energy company you sell to, or your maths is awry. That is if you are in the UK.
 
You imagine that the office for rubber stamping fracking projects has two columns.
1. Postcodes for Party donators. Marginal seats, our own family and friends areas
2 The rest, (Inc point 1 if it’s in the north)

Nobody wants frack sites anywhere near their home and particularly with so many other energy producing alternatives available.

Time to ask Dido Harding for some of that cash back and crack on with nuclear, renewables and removing gas supply from our homes (heat pumps etc).
 
tangerine_neil said:
Yes. They always promise loads of jobs created, money coming into the area, cheap gas for all.

All lies to get folk on board.
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A bit like nuclear energy, which they said years ago would be as cheap as chips. But as usual didn’t include the massive reprocessing costs.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
I see Truss has given the go ahead for Fracking ,gas and oil exploration . That will help global warming , the floods and the wild fires . Why not come up with all new houses will have solar panels and at least 1 tree if their garden if it is big enough or even have miniature wind turbines for new houses . I know it won't solve the problem completely ,but its got to be better then going back to what is causing the end of our planet just to allow these energy firms to get richer.
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TOTTALLY AGREE I HAVE HOUSE ON MYTHOP RD ?.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
The quickest cheapest win is to insulate all our old housing stock. Legislate to make ALL new builds carbon neutral ( knew someone 12 years ago who lived in a flat that was). Solar on the roof, mini turbines don't help, due to manufacturing costs, but a bigger one per development, great. Air and ground source heat pumps for housing heating. Build houses to take advantage of the sun's heat.

As above, the technology is all there, it's just it doesn't make profits for the mega energy companies.
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You obviously dont know much about ground & air source heat pumps?

Not going to work/be practical....
 
They can build nuclear reactors that fit in ships/submarines that are safe, why cant we build small nuclear power stations for each urbanisations?

Of course!!! 10yrs in the planning system, & objections from Green peace.... DOH!!
 
Archibald Knox said:
“The best Smart Export Guarantee tariff is Octopus's 7.5p per kWh offering, while the standard rate consumers pay for electricity is currently 28.3p per kWh. That means the Smart Export Guarantee allows companies to buy electricity from you for, at most, 27% of the price they charge you.”

To earn £1600 a year, you would need to send 21,333 kWh to the grid. That’s an average of 58.4 kWh for every day of the year, including winter and cloudy days, not 20 kWh a day in high summer. You have either got an extraordinary contract with whatever energy company you sell to, or your maths is off.
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Archibald Knox said:
“The best Smart Export Guarantee tariff is Octopus's 7.5p per kWh offering, while the standard rate consumers pay for electricity is currently 28.3p per kWh. That means the Smart Export Guarantee allows companies to buy electricity from you for, at most, 27% of the price they charge you.”
www.theecoexperts.co.uk

Smart Export Guarantee (SEG) Explained in 2024

Get paid for the solar power you send back to the grid with the Smart Export Guarantee. Here’s our guide to how it works and getting the best rates.
www.theecoexperts.co.uk www.theecoexperts.co.uk

To earn £1600 a year, you would need to send 21,333 kWh to the grid. That’s an average of 58.4 kWh for every day of the year, including winter and cloudy days, not 20 kWh a day in high summer. You have either got an extraordinary contract with whatever energy company you sell to, or your maths is awry. That is if you are in the UK.
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Got contract with Eon back in 2011 for 25 years paying 43 p per kWh linked with inflation ,it is now worth about 60p per kWh .
 
poolseasider said:
My 90 year old house is insulated with triple glazed windows it makes little difference the heating will be going on in the next week or two it will have to.

These projects are all well and good to try and make houses better but we still need energy for every day life and we need Gas NOW so if that's fracking so be it.
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There is no shortage of gas . Britian only uses 4%of Russian gas . The problem is the energy firms are making billions and the new prime minister is happy with that . She rather take a loan to keep the cost down and make the people pay it back over the next few years . So until this country could become self sufficiant in energy and we get energy back into public ownership ,things will just get worse financially for us as well as destroying the planet.
 
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