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Matesrates

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I’m growing more nervous by the day about the end of Covid restrictions. I did believe we would be able to do so safely, but now the rise not only in cases, but hospitalisations and deaths are rising, albeit not in line with the increase in cases.

There’s a growing body of people who are warning that this could be a disaster, with over 100,000 cases a day, and many then suffering long Covid and the possibility of more variants emerging which could be even more worrying.

Personally, I think I’m now going to continue to be as careful as I can be, but I’m wondering if the government will be under pressure to reverse this decision on Monday, by which time data might be against them.
 
Needs bringing forward a week so everyone can have good ole time on Sunday 👍🏻

There are always going to be nervous ninnies and scientists who don't want to go back to obscurity, that's why - like ripping off a plaster - it just needs to happen. No future date, no warning. All restrictions dropped.
 
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Matesrates said:
I’m growing more nervous by the day about the end of Covid restrictions. I did believe we would be able to do so safely, but now the rise not only in cases, but hospitalisations and deaths are rising, albeit not in line with the increase in cases.

There’s a growing body of people who are warning that this could be a disaster, with over 100,000 cases a day, and many then suffering long Covid and the possibility of more variants emerging which could be even more worrying.

Personally, I think I’m now going to continue to be as careful as I can be, but I’m wondering if the government will be under pressure to reverse this decision on Monday, by which time data might be against them.
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We can't stay shut forever while the country gets trillions more in debt,people are losing their jobs and mental health cases are going threw the roof at some point we have to learn to live with the virus it ain't going anywhere.
 
poolseasider said:
We can't stay shut forever while the country gets trillions more in debt,people are losing their jobs and mental health cases are going threw the roof at some point we have to learn to live with the virus it ain't going anywhere.
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Agree, but the possibility is that we could end up with another lockdown which would be disastrous. I’d prefer another month to allow more vaccinations, although I doubt they will do that. I just hope it all works and we can get back to normal. Working with the public as I do, I have to wear a mask all day and I’m sick of it.
 
If you look at the number of vaccines given each day it’s down from half a million a day there about s to around 150,000 a day. There’s a reason for that. people are not coming forward to receive the vaccine. There’s only so much we can do. It’s time to get back to living and living with the virus. We have lived with the threat of thousands of deaths a year from flu but we don't lock the world down. Im Not convinced another month makes Any difference.
 
Scaramanga said:
If you look at the number of vaccines given each day it’s down from half a million a day there about s to around 150,000 a day. There’s a reason for that. people are not coming forward to receive the vaccine. There’s only so much we can do. It’s time to get back to living and living with the virus. We have lived with the threat of thousands of deaths a year from flu but we don't lock the world down. Im Not convinced another month makes Any difference.
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Me neither you only have to look at this extra month they added on to these restrictions from June to July what has it exactly done?

A few more hundred thousand be jabbed of the young who where hardly getting really ill in the first place but cases have risen in that month time to crack on and live with the virus.
 
I am slightly worried about the rising case rate, perhaps we have jumped a little bit too soon.
This day had to come but we are at risk of developing a vaccine resistant variant with so many cases in our population. The vaccines only give partial protection, in that you can still transmit the virus and become ill if you are vaccinated (but the overall risk is lower). As this is the case, the next dominant strain is bound to be one that is in someway vaccine resistant - I just hope that it is not deadly as well.
We are now pursuing a policy of herd immunity and we don't really know what the consequences of that will be, and that is scary. The policy on mask wearing is really stupid, we should do what we can to protect people and stop transmission. I expect that this will be changed at some future point.
 
The biggest issues with this government's current herd immunity approach are:

- the majority of people tend to think simple so can only differentiate in binary so having this "freedom day" essentially makes them think the problem is over when it isn't.
- people still compare this to flu when it's not, it attacks multiple organs, like the lungs, heart, kidneys, brain etc. and there is no knowing who gets hit with what from person to person
- some people cannot be vaccinated due to existing conditions and treatments
- some vaccinated people do not generate a response to the vaccine so will mistakenly believe they are protected when they aren't and that could be any of us
- whilst hospitalisations are much lower, there is still an uptick and this will bite into NHS resources that could have been getting stuck into the backlog of cases for other illnesses.
- we could end up heading into Winter with high numbers

Whilst we need to start opening things up, it seems like a big mistake to do away with the cheap and simple preventative measures like distancing and masks.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
I am slightly worried about the rising case rate, perhaps we have jumped a little bit too soon.
This day had to come but we are at risk of developing a vaccine resistant variant with so many cases in our population. The vaccines only give partial protection, in that you can still transmit the virus and become ill if you are vaccinated (but the overall risk is lower). As this is the case, the next dominant strain is bound to be one that is in someway vaccine resistant - I just hope that it is not deadly as well.
We are now pursuing a policy of herd immunity and we don't really know what the consequences of that will be, and that is scary. The policy on mask wearing is really stupid, we should do what we can to protect people and stop transmission. I expect that this will be changed at some future point.
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I’m not convinced that we can make any big decisions based on a theoretical possibility of a vaccine resistant strain. If you adopt that mentality, then I fear we will always find a reason to delay. So we must deal with the reality that we face, rather than an imaginary outcome.

If you consider the situation outside of our U.K. bubble, then that prospect would exist regardless of U.K. policy and would inevitably find its way into our country one way or another. That’s always going to be the case without some internationally coordinated vaccination plan that was implemented at hyper speed.

There can be no other policy than to achieve ‘herd-immunity’ and its naive to think otherwise. Whetger that happens through mass vaccination, exposure to the virus or a mutation that renders the virus less harmful, we have no choice but to live with the virus. Even those countries that have successfully suppressed the problem will eventually have to confront that reality…

I was not in favour of masks in the early days, but that was because the science seemed to be contradictory and I really do think that human interaction, communication & well-being is impeded by mask wearing. That said, I tend to agree that it makes very little sense not to continue with some of the easy measures that may help to stop transmission, especially when case numbers are high.
 
This article is interesting;

www.bbc.co.uk

Covid: Masks upgrade cuts infection risk, research finds

Wearing a high grade FFP3 mask can almost entirely protect health workers from Covid, research finds.
www.bbc.co.uk

Perhaps the government should be looking at the type of masks that are in circulation and only mandating ones that are known to be effective. The article above shows that mask wearing can be very effective in breaking chains of transmission. That is why it is amazing that the government have said that mask wearing is optional in certain situations like public transport.

I agree that we will have to gain herd immunity at some point for all of the reasons stated, my post was really questioning the timing of the decision. Every person that is infected and survives is the equivalent of a double jabbed vaxee, so people that get infected and don't go into hospital are sort of a good thing. But we are running the risk of putting the health service under extreme pressure again, with all th eknock on problems that this causes. These are difficult decisions no doubt. I would be interested to know what figure the government thinks is viable as regards Covid patients in hospitals. They must know this figure (well I would hope so).
 
Well here's a thought for some of you

Turns out that me and the wife caught Covid-19 on Sunday....We have both been double jabbed for about 2 months now....But we still caught it..

Were off work, feeling like crap, freezing one minute, sweating the next, suffering unbelievably painful headaches that knock you out.
I'm spending 12 - 18 hours in bed groaning, coughing, sneezing and wondering if this shit will ever end.........I've also lost my sense of smell and taste....which is worrying!!!...My body aches and I've not eaten since Sunday.......so, I'm feeling a bit crap

So....my thoughts on your "Freedom".......Honestly.....The whole of the UK, vaccinated or not will catch Covid-19 over the next few months....you may not die 🤔, but you will feel so ill....and god help us if it mutates into something else...

You really have to be braindead if you honestly think you are going to wander around inside shops, pubs etc. without a mask and nothing is going to happen to you......
So when you get this virus.......and you will........remember the absolute shit you wrote on here
When you see your mates, colleagues and family catching this because everyone has taken off their masks and gone back to "normality".......😊🤣

Also....I've been double jabbed, so according to the Government, I don't have to isolate, if someone tests positive.......So people in the same situation as me, can go out and spread Covid without any cares, so in August & September when 500,000+ are feeling ill every month, enjoy your "Freedom"
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
Well here's a thought for some of you

Turns out that me and the wife caught Covid-19 on Sunday....We have both been double jabbed for about 2 months now....But we still caught it..

Were off work, feeling like crap, freezing one minute, sweating the next, suffering unbelievably painful headaches that knock you out.
I'm spending 12 - 18 hours in bed groaning, coughing, sneezing and wondering if this shit will ever end.........I've also lost my sense of smell and taste....which is worrying!!!...My body aches and I've not eaten since Sunday.......so, I'm feeling a bit crap

So....my thoughts on your "Freedom".......Honestly.....The whole of the UK, vaccinated or not will catch Covid-19 over the next few months....you may not die 🤔, but you will feel so ill....and god help us if it mutates into something else...

You really have to be braindead if you honestly think you are going to wander around inside shops, pubs etc. without a mask and nothing is going to happen to you......
So when you get this virus.......and you will........remember the absolute shit you wrote on here
When you see your mates, colleagues and family catching this because everyone has taken off their masks and gone back to "normality".......😊🤣

Also....I've been double jabbed, so according to the Government, I don't have to isolate, if someone tests positive.......So people in the same situation as me, can go out and spread Covid without any cares, so in August & September when 500,000+ are feeling ill every month, enjoy your "Freedom"
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But you’ve caught it, wearing masks and being double jabbed?

So what do we do? Carry this on forever? That’s the point.

Get well soon btw.
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
Well here's a thought for some of you

Turns out that me and the wife caught Covid-19 on Sunday....We have both been double jabbed for about 2 months now....But we still caught it..

Were off work, feeling like crap, freezing one minute, sweating the next, suffering unbelievably painful headaches that knock you out.
I'm spending 12 - 18 hours in bed groaning, coughing, sneezing and wondering if this shit will ever end.........I've also lost my sense of smell and taste....which is worrying!!!...My body aches and I've not eaten since Sunday.......so, I'm feeling a bit crap

So....my thoughts on your "Freedom".......Honestly.....The whole of the UK, vaccinated or not will catch Covid-19 over the next few months....you may not die 🤔, but you will feel so ill....and god help us if it mutates into something else...

You really have to be braindead if you honestly think you are going to wander around inside shops, pubs etc. without a mask and nothing is going to happen to you......
So when you get this virus.......and you will........remember the absolute shit you wrote on here
When you see your mates, colleagues and family catching this because everyone has taken off their masks and gone back to "normality".......😊🤣

Also....I've been double jabbed, so according to the Government, I don't have to isolate, if someone tests positive.......So people in the same situation as me, can go out and spread Covid without any cares, so in August & September when 500,000+ are feeling ill every month, enjoy your "Freedom"
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Get well soon B_Side and Mrs B_Side too, people will argue till they are blue in the face about all this, but when it hits someone you know or hits you, you realise a lot of people don’t know what they ate talking about. Thank goodness you were both vaccinated, without it the outcome could have been so much worse, and it sounds pretty awful as it is. Take care now.
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
Well here's a thought for some of you

Turns out that me and the wife caught Covid-19 on Sunday....We have both been double jabbed for about 2 months now....But we still caught it..

Were off work, feeling like crap, freezing one minute, sweating the next, suffering unbelievably painful headaches that knock you out.
I'm spending 12 - 18 hours in bed groaning, coughing, sneezing and wondering if this shit will ever end.........I've also lost my sense of smell and taste....which is worrying!!!...My body aches and I've not eaten since Sunday.......so, I'm feeling a bit crap

So....my thoughts on your "Freedom".......Honestly.....The whole of the UK, vaccinated or not will catch Covid-19 over the next few months....you may not die 🤔, but you will feel so ill....and god help us if it mutates into something else...

You really have to be braindead if you honestly think you are going to wander around inside shops, pubs etc. without a mask and nothing is going to happen to you......
So when you get this virus.......and you will........remember the absolute shit you wrote on here
When you see your mates, colleagues and family catching this because everyone has taken off their masks and gone back to "normality".......😊🤣

Also....I've been double jabbed, so according to the Government, I don't have to isolate, if someone tests positive.......So people in the same situation as me, can go out and spread Covid without any cares, so in August & September when 500,000+ are feeling ill every month, enjoy your "Freedom"
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So to sum up you've been double jabbed and I presume wore a mask when indoor locations and still caught Covid?
So the vaccine doesn't work and neither do masks yet you want us carrying on wearing them and go into another lockdown?

Or how about trying to live with the virus and get on with life and before you shoot me down I've also been jabbed and had the virus twice.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
This article is interesting;

www.bbc.co.uk

Covid: Masks upgrade cuts infection risk, research finds

Wearing a high grade FFP3 mask can almost entirely protect health workers from Covid, research finds.
www.bbc.co.uk

Perhaps the government should be looking at the type of masks that are in circulation and only mandating ones that are known to be effective. The article above shows that mask wearing can be very effective in breaking chains of transmission. That is why it is amazing that the government have said that mask wearing is optional in certain situations like public transport.

I agree that we will have to gain herd immunity at some point for all of the reasons stated, my post was really questioning the timing of the decision. Every person that is infected and survives is the equivalent of a double jabbed vaxee, so people that get infected and don't go into hospital are sort of a good thing. But we are running the risk of putting the health service under extreme pressure again, with all th eknock on problems that this causes. These are difficult decisions no doubt. I would be interested to know what figure the government thinks is viable as regards Covid patients in hospitals. They must know this figure (well I would hope so).
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Based on what I see every time I go into town, the most effective way of wearing the mask is either under the chin or below the nose. It's clearly not got to these people.
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
Well here's a thought for some of you

Turns out that me and the wife caught Covid-19 on Sunday....We have both been double jabbed for about 2 months now....But we still caught it..

Were off work, feeling like crap, freezing one minute, sweating the next, suffering unbelievably painful headaches that knock you out.
I'm spending 12 - 18 hours in bed groaning, coughing, sneezing and wondering if this shit will ever end.........I've also lost my sense of smell and taste....which is worrying!!!...My body aches and I've not eaten since Sunday.......so, I'm feeling a bit crap

So....my thoughts on your "Freedom".......Honestly.....The whole of the UK, vaccinated or not will catch Covid-19 over the next few months....you may not die 🤔, but you will feel so ill....and god help us if it mutates into something else...

You really have to be braindead if you honestly think you are going to wander around inside shops, pubs etc. without a mask and nothing is going to happen to you......
So when you get this virus.......and you will........remember the absolute shit you wrote on here
When you see your mates, colleagues and family catching this because everyone has taken off their masks and gone back to "normality".......😊🤣

Also....I've been double jabbed, so according to the Government, I don't have to isolate, if someone tests positive.......So people in the same situation as me, can go out and spread Covid without any cares, so in August & September when 500,000+ are feeling ill every month, enjoy your "Freedom"
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I hope you feel better soon.
I went down with it on Tuesday, along with a good number of friends. I haven't had any jabs, nothing to do with anti vaxxing or conspiracy theories, I have my own reasons, and have had the same symptoms as you and my infected friends, but I don't think I had them as bad as you. I feel OK today apart from a slight nagging headach, expect I will be close to fully recovered if I wake up tomorrow! (Don't want to take anything for granted!)
My thoughts for what they are worth, keep the masks for now on public transport, shops and NHS premises.
Make sure that people who are told to isolate are compensated up to 80% of their salary, many people get no sick pay from employers.
Properly fund the NHS even if it means some capacity being dormant some of the time, so that it can deal with pandemics at worst and the normal winter flu cases it always struggles with when times are better.
I'm sure that would be more cost effective than a lot of the nonsense that has gone on.
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
Well here's a thought for some of you

Turns out that me and the wife caught Covid-19 on Sunday....We have both been double jabbed for about 2 months now....But we still caught it..

Were off work, feeling like crap, freezing one minute, sweating the next, suffering unbelievably painful headaches that knock you out.
I'm spending 12 - 18 hours in bed groaning, coughing, sneezing and wondering if this shit will ever end.........I've also lost my sense of smell and taste....which is worrying!!!...My body aches and I've not eaten since Sunday.......so, I'm feeling a bit crap

So....my thoughts on your "Freedom".......Honestly.....The whole of the UK, vaccinated or not will catch Covid-19 over the next few months....you may not die 🤔, but you will feel so ill....and god help us if it mutates into something else...

You really have to be braindead if you honestly think you are going to wander around inside shops, pubs etc. without a mask and nothing is going to happen to you......
So when you get this virus.......and you will........remember the absolute shit you wrote on here
When you see your mates, colleagues and family catching this because everyone has taken off their masks and gone back to "normality".......😊🤣

Also....I've been double jabbed, so according to the Government, I don't have to isolate, if someone tests positive.......So people in the same situation as me, can go out and spread Covid without any cares, so in August & September when 500,000+ are feeling ill every month, enjoy your "Freedom"
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Hope you and your missus recover soon and fully mate, sounds terrible. I totally agree with your post, most people seem to think it’s all over, it’s not and won’t be for some time.

I do agree there comes a point when we have to abandon all restrictions and live with this terrible virus, but imo, it’s not now. Just keep the masks at least.
 
poolseasider said:
So to sum up you've been double jabbed and I presume wore a mask when indoor locations and still caught Covid?
So the vaccine doesn't work and neither do masks yet you want us carrying on wearing them and go into another lockdown?

Or how about trying to live with the virus and get on with life and before you shoot me down I've also been jabbed and had the virus twice.
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If the masks do anything at all maybe they remind people that the jabs don't go anywhere near to significantly protecting a lot of them, I think many thought they were totally safe when jabbed.
But when I see a mate arrive at the pub doorway and put on his mask, walk 10 feet and sit down then take it off. Then talk to a few people sat a couple of feet away for an hour or so,then the mask is sometimes a ridiculous thing!!
 
Gobsmacked the Government have lifted restrictions on the Amber countries allowing you can now visit without isolating on return.
The UK is already way ahead of any other country in Europe in new Covid outbreak cases just wait till thousands start returning from holidays in the coming weeks. 😮🙄
 
Matesrates said:
I’m growing more nervous by the day about the end of Covid restrictions. I did believe we would be able to do so safely, but now the rise not only in cases, but hospitalisations and deaths are rising, albeit not in line with the increase in cases.

There’s a growing body of people who are warning that this could be a disaster, with over 100,000 cases a day, and many then suffering long Covid and the possibility of more variants emerging which could be even more worrying.

Personally, I think I’m now going to continue to be as careful as I can be, but I’m wondering if the government will be under pressure to reverse this decision on Monday, by which time data might be against them.
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I agree with your OP Mates and Lord knows, I'm no Tory excuser. However, there's a ticking timebomb out there and it needs careful management.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Gobsmacked the Government have lifted restrictions on the Amber countries allowing you can now visit without isolating on return.
The UK is already way ahead of any other country in Europe in new Covid outbreak cases just wait till thousands start returning from holidays in the coming weeks. 😮🙄
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Absurd I'm against lock downs and want everything opened up Now but the one thing as an Island we can do is stop and should is foreign travel.
 
I think we have to be realistic here.... If back in March 2020, our Government had advised us...

"There's a rather nasty virus heading our way, it will make you feel pretty crap for a few days, you'll be a bit shivery and hot and cold, you might get a bad headache and lose your sense of smell, so we've decided to shut down the entire hospitality industry and you alkl need to wear masks"

I really think the vast majority of the British Public would have wondered whether our Government had gone completely insane....

Move us on a year or so and we actually have people who genuinely believe that feeling a bit shitty for a week is a reason enough to retain that type of shutdown!!

We have to get real here... Unless people are dropping dead in significant numbers, then life needs to go on.... Of course you can ask people to adopt a sensible approach and maintain good hygeine, perhaps use masks where appropriate, but we really do have to pull our collective pants up a bit... Being ill isn't a pleasant experience... If it was then we'd call it 'having fun' instead
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think we have to be realistic here.... If back in March 2020, our Government had advised us...

"There's a rather nasty virus heading our way, it will make you feel pretty crap for a few days, you'll be a bit shivery and hot and cold, you might get a bad headache and lose your sense of smell, so we've decided to shut down the entire hospitality industry and you alkl need to wear masks"

I really think the vast majority of the British Public would have wondered whether our Government had gone completely insane....

Move us on a year or so and we actually have people who genuinely believe that feeling a bit shitty for a week is a reason enough to retain that type of shutdown!!

We have to get real here... Unless people are dropping dead in significant numbers, then life needs to go on.... Of course you can ask people to adopt a sensible approach and maintain good hygeine, perhaps use masks where appropriate, but we really do have to pull our collective pants up a bit... Being ill isn't a pleasant experience... If it was then we'd call it 'having fun' instead
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In March 2020 if the government had said this virus will kill over 128,000 (and rising) of us, then perhaps the population would have taken it more seriously.
 
cruzzer said:
In March 2020 if the government had said this virus will kill over 128,000 (and rising) of us, then perhaps the population would have taken it more seriously.
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They did say that though and the population has taken it seriously.
 
Something tells me this argument May rumble on for a while.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
They did say that though and the population has taken it seriously.
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No they didn’t. In an early press conference Vallance said we are likely to lose around 20,000 if we have a good outcome, or 60,000 if it’s a bad outcome.

Now over twice his “bad outcome” prediction. I wonder why?
 
cruzzer said:
No they didn’t. In an early press conference Vallance said we are likely to lose around 20,000 if we have a good outcome, or 60,000 if it’s a bad outcome.

Now over twice his “bad outcome” prediction. I wonder why?
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It really doesn’t matter who predicted what, at that point there were all sorts of experts making predictions, one I remember said 250,000. The fact is 128,000 people have so far died and that tragic.
 
cruzzer said:
No they didn’t. In an early press conference Vallance said we are likely to lose around 20,000 if we have a good outcome, or 60,000 if it’s a bad outcome.

Now over twice his “bad outcome” prediction. I wonder why?
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The forecasts ranged anywhere from 8,000 to 500,000.

Not that it has any real bearing on my original point in any case.

The fact is, we locked down and people responded as per the government request (in fact the public were calling for a lockdown, whilst the Government procrastinated).

If you’re looking for anyone to criticise for the number of deaths in the U.K., then it would be the Government and their advisors who failed to take it seriously in the early stages and certainly not the public, who have been amazing.

As I said, however, that’s not where we are now… And we have supposedly rational people who are advocating lockdown in order to avoid a nasty cold (or symptoms equivalent to).

It’s ridiculous!
 
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In March 2020 if the government had said this virus will kill over 128,000 (and rising) of us, then perhaps the population would have taken it more seriously.
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If you think 128,000 have died just because of Covid your utterly deluded.
 
As an employer my concern is the impact of staff having to self-isolate ( not having the virus but having come into contact with someone who's had covid )
With rates through the roof ( they are the highest ever in the town ) and the relaxation for the doube-jabbers not due to be introduced until 16/8 its going to need careful management as we move towards ' Freedom Day '
Our internal procedures will be ramped up before 19/7 not relaxed and hell will freeze over before we let anyone into our offices who hasn't an appointment and who isn't masked and willing to abide by all procedures
We won't likely review that until Sept at the earliest
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Gobsmacked the Government have lifted restrictions on the Amber countries allowing you can now visit without isolating on return.
The UK is already way ahead of any other country in Europe in new Covid outbreak cases just wait till thousands start returning from holidays in the coming weeks. 😮🙄
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Stopping people going abroad doesn't mean that they can't catch it here instead, in fact if they're travelling to low infection rate countries the odds of them picking up the virus are reduced, so this actually slows down the UK infection wave.
 
cruzzer said:
No they didn’t. In an early press conference Vallance said we are likely to lose around 20,000 if we have a good outcome, or 60,000 if it’s a bad outcome.

Now over twice his “bad outcome” prediction. I wonder why?
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That 20,000 quote comes from 17 March, what it shows is that at the time even SAGE didn't realise how far we were into the pandemic or how bad it could get.
 
Boris and his elite cronies wanted a herd immunity from the very start. He's going to get his wish now and can blame the necessary deaths to achieve this on the publics lack of hygiene and social distancing.
 
Seasider1 said:
Boris and his elite cronies wanted a herd immunity from the very start. He's going to get his wish now and can blame the necessary deaths to achieve this on the publics lack of hygiene and social distancing.
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Deaths so the vaccine doesn't work then.
 
Seasider1 said:
Boris and his elite cronies wanted a herd immunity from the very start. He's going to get his wish now and can blame the necessary deaths to achieve this on the publics lack of hygiene and social distancing.
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Herd immunity always was and still is, the only smart move. It is also the tried and trusted pandemic strategy that was planned for. That's why we are returning to it.

Lockdowns are an abomination. A horrible (now proven failed) experiment. You can't go tinkering with a delicate ecosystem like society in such ways without there being severe unknown consequences. Anyone claiming expertise in lockdowns is selling a lie.
 
poolseasider said:
Deaths so the vaccine doesn't work then.
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Not for the 3 million immune deficiency sufferers. And no I'm not in that bracket and actually believe we should getting rid of restrictions and trying to get back to some sort of normality. However I believe there should be social distancing and compulsory mask wearing for another couple of months on public transport, doctors, hospitals and chemists.
 
Matesrates said:
Agree, but the possibility is that we could end up with another lockdown which would be disastrous. I’d prefer another month to allow more vaccinations, although I doubt they will do that. I just hope it all works and we can get back to normal. Working with the public as I do, I have to wear a mask all day and I’m sick of it.
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With respect what “you’d prefer” is irrelevant.....you can make your own decisions for you. You ain’t making them for me
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
Well here's a thought for some of you

Turns out that me and the wife caught Covid-19 on Sunday....We have both been double jabbed for about 2 months now....But we still caught it..

Were off work, feeling like crap, freezing one minute, sweating the next, suffering unbelievably painful headaches that knock you out.
I'm spending 12 - 18 hours in bed groaning, coughing, sneezing and wondering if this shit will ever end.........I've also lost my sense of smell and taste....which is worrying!!!...My body aches and I've not eaten since Sunday.......so, I'm feeling a bit crap

So....my thoughts on your "Freedom".......Honestly.....The whole of the UK, vaccinated or not will catch Covid-19 over the next few months....you may not die 🤔, but you will feel so ill....and god help us if it mutates into something else...

You really have to be braindead if you honestly think you are going to wander around inside shops, pubs etc. without a mask and nothing is going to happen to you......
So when you get this virus.......and you will........remember the absolute shit you wrote on here
When you see your mates, colleagues and family catching this because everyone has taken off their masks and gone back to "normality".......😊🤣

Also....I've been double jabbed, so according to the Government, I don't have to isolate, if someone tests positive.......So people in the same situation as me, can go out and spread Covid without any cares, so in August & September when 500,000+ are feeling ill every month, enjoy your "Freedom"
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I won't pretend to agree with all you say but firstly and most importantly, I wish your wife and yourself a full and speedy recovery.
 
Seasider1 said:
Not for the 3 million immune deficiency sufferers. And no I'm not in that bracket and actually believe we should getting rid of restrictions and trying to get back to some sort of normality. However I believe there should be social distancing and compulsory mask wearing for another couple of months on public transport, doctors, hospitals and chemists.
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3 million immune deficiency sufferers? Really? 1 in 20 people? Hmmmm...
 
Wizaard said:
Yes, but like the booing last night, there's always idiots.
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Absolutely, and you can’t get away from that, but I think it’s wrong for folk to insinuate that the responsibility for 120,000 deaths lies with the public.

We reacted too late and we’re ill prepared, but we’re not alone in that regard. That may be the fault of government (former governments even), perhaps the scientists and advisors, but certainly not the public, who responded brilliantly.
 
BlackpoolWolves said:
3 million immune deficiency sufferers? Really? 1 in 20 people? Hmmmm...
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Sorry may have got it wrong, caught something about it on 5 live today. Lady MP who has Immune deficiency was asking questions to a minister about the fact she thinks people like her have been hung out to dry. And no advice given to all the people that were told to shield.
 
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