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Try the following read, it will give you a view of how the French have shouted Vive le France whilst falling out with each other, trying to return to the days of Louis le Grande le Roi Soleil, capitulating to the Nazi's and a bit of an insight into their way of thinking including their hatred of us.

"The Collapse of the Third Republic: An Inquiry into the Fall of France in 1940" by William L. Shirer, In short, they appear to have a large minority who wish France to return to the glory days of the 17th Century.
 
Curryman said:
Try the following read, it will give you a view of how the French have shouted Vive le France whilst falling out with each other, trying to return to the days of Louis le Grande le Roi Soleil, capitulating to the Nazi's and a bit of an insight into their way of thinking including their hatred of us.

"The Collapse of the Third Republic: An Inquiry into the Fall of France in 1940" by William L. Shirer, In short, they appear to have a large minority who wish France to return to the glory days of the 17th Century.
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Strange to have such a narrow and negative opinion on millions of diverse people who inhabit a large geographical area.
It would be ridiculous to judge all the inhabitants of the Isle of Man in such a way so to do it with a country the size of France is beyond ridiculous!
 
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Curryman said:
Try the following read, it will give you a view of how the French have shouted Vive le France whilst falling out with each other, trying to return to the days of Louis le Grande le Roi Soleil, capitulating to the Nazi's and a bit of an insight into their way of thinking including their hatred of us.

"The Collapse of the Third Republic: An Inquiry into the Fall of France in 1940" by William L. Shirer, In short, they appear to have a large minority who wish France to return to the glory days of the 17th Century.
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Genuine question, do you think we'd have withstood the Germans if we were part of mainland Europe? Our geography favoured us considerably and the continual crowing about the French being invades by Germany is somewhat unfair. The French certainly played their part in WW1 and lost considerably more men than we did.
 
gjr69 said:
Strange to have such a narrow and negative opinion on millions of diverse people who inhabit a large geographical area.
It would be ridiculous to judge all the inhabitants of the Isle of Man in such a way so to do it with a country the size of France is ridiculous!
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Before criticising the post, I would suggest you read the book first. You will then understand what I am saying. Oh, and just to whet your appetite there is a portion in the book about how they DEMANDED, yes, it's in capitals, we sent all our air force across the channel to fight on their behalf against the Nazis, whilst having more planes which were not used at their airfields than we had in total. It also explains why General De Gaulle was not popular with the French pre-WW2 and during WW2, how they spent their defence money on cavalry and horses to fight against tanks and his thoughts on that! I'll leave it at that for the time being.
 
Shandypants said:
Genuine question, do you think we'd have withstood the Germans if we were part of mainland Europe? Our geography favoured us considerably and the continual crowing about the French being invades by Germany is somewhat unfair. The French certainly played their part in WW1 and lost considerably more men than we did.
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The main problems as far as I can see was the appeasement by both the British and the French Governments with Hitler, the decisions to not say no to him when it would have stopped him, the run down of forces in both countries whilst Hitler built up his forces, the type of armour as explained in my last post a few minutes ago that the French had, the lies told by the French commanders to both Governments about how well the campaign against the Nazis was going, when , in fact it was failing. Had we sent more troops or more planes to help the French, we would not have been able to defend ourselves as well as we did in the end.

Right, I'm off for a couple of pints and a curry.
 
Curryman said:
Before criticising the post, I would suggest you read the book first. You will then understand what I am saying. Oh, and just to whet your appetite there is a portion in the book about how they DEMANDED, yes, it's in capitals, we sent all our air force across the channel to fight on their behalf against the Nazis, whilst having more planes which were not used at their airfields than we had in total. It also explains why General De Gaulle was not popular with the French pre-WW2 and during WW2, how they spent their defence money on cavalry and horses to fight against tanks and his thoughts on that! I'll leave it at that for the time being.
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But you appear to judge entire populations by the actions of a handful of politicians in an event that took place nearly a hundred years ago.
I think it's an odd way of looking at the world.
 
Curryman said:
Try the following read, it will give you a view of how the French have shouted Vive le France whilst falling out with each other, trying to return to the days of Louis le Grande le Roi Soleil, capitulating to the Nazi's and a bit of an insight into their way of thinking including their hatred of us.

"The Collapse of the Third Republic: An Inquiry into the Fall of France in 1940" by William L. Shirer, In short, they appear to have a large minority who wish France to return to the glory days of the 17th Century.
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....Whilst a certain type of English patriot goes dewy eyed at Shakespeare's take on Henry V at Agincourt, despite the fact that England lost most of its French lands in the hundred years war and were finally defeated by the French at Castillon. It's all history and the French have no interest in a return to the Ancien Régime.
 
Curryman said:
The main problems as far as I can see was the appeasement by both the British and the French Governments with Hitler, the decisions to not say no to him when it would have stopped him, the run down of forces in both countries whilst Hitler built up his forces, the type of armour as explained in my last post a few minutes ago that the French had, the lies told by the French commanders to both Governments about how well the campaign against the Nazis was going, when , in fact it was failing. Had we sent more troops or more planes to help the French, we would not have been able to defend ourselves as well as we did in the end.

Right, I'm off for a couple of pints and a curry.
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Sounds like a good idea but you haven't answered his relatively straightforward question.
 
Curryman said:
Try the following read, it will give you a view of how the French have shouted Vive le France whilst falling out with each other, trying to return to the days of Louis le Grande le Roi Soleil, capitulating to the Nazi's and a bit of an insight into their way of thinking including their hatred of us.

"The Collapse of the Third Republic: An Inquiry into the Fall of France in 1940" by William L. Shirer, In short, they appear to have a large minority who wish France to return to the glory days of the 17th Century.
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Funny that Curryman, I spoke to my mother in law, my belle-mere, this morning and she mentioned none of that. She as a 97 year old french woman who has always had a bit of time for the English.
 
Curryman said:
The main problems as far as I can see was the appeasement by both the British and the French Governments with Hitler, the decisions to not say no to him when it would have stopped him, the run down of forces in both countries whilst Hitler built up his forces, the type of armour as explained in my last post a few minutes ago that the French had, the lies told by the French commanders to both Governments about how well the campaign against the Nazis was going, when , in fact it was failing. Had we sent more troops or more planes to help the French, we would not have been able to defend ourselves as well as we did in the end.

Right, I'm off for a couple of pints and a curry.
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Sounds pretty much like what’s happening in Ukraine, if nato and the west had said when he was building up his forces on the border had said, you go in, we go in, I firmly believe he’d have stopped, or at least there’d have been a short batt.
 
Matesrates said:
Sounds pretty much like what’s happening in Ukraine, if nato and the west had said when he was building up his forces on the border had said, you go in, we go in, I firmly believe he’d have stopped, or at least there’d have been a short batt.
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Exactly what I thought Mates. History repeating itself.
 
Curryman said:
GJR said:
But you appear to judge entire populations by the actions of a handful of politicians in an event that took place nearly a hundred years ago.
I think it's an odd way of looking at the world.

1966 said:
Whilst a certain type of English patriot goes dewy eyed at Shakespeare's take on Henry V at Agincourt, despite the fact that England lost most of its French lands in the hundred years war and were finally defeated by the French at Castillon. It's all history and the French have no interest in a return to the Ancien Régime.

Bray marina said:
Funny that Curryman, I spoke to my mother in law, my belle-mere, this morning and she mentioned none of that. She as a 97 year old french woman who has always had a bit of time for the English.

Bray, I have some very good French friends, who love Britain, or as we are always called England, but it does not change history I'm afraid.

So, looking at the let's destroy Curryman's thoughts posts on here, I've attached a few quotes from the book I have referred to. It is quite a tome, I must admit over 1000 pages, but as I've said in my other posts please read it before making unfounded comments.

Summary:

"In this last and sorriest chapter in the history of the Third Republic, chicanery, dupery, and every other imaginable kind of deceit, coupled with fear, cowardice, and abjectness, ran rampant and had predictable consequences."

RE Darlan (the head of the French Navy).

After the request to sail the French Navy to a neutral port, a French port in the Indies, or to a British port, prior to our sinking of the fleet at their naval base at Mers El Kébir in 1940.

"Darlan’s hatred of the British was matched by his distrust of them. Under no condition [he told Bullitt] would he send the Fleet to England since he was certain that the British would never return a single vessel of the Fleet to France, and that if Britain should win the war the treatment which would be accorded to France by Britain would be no more generous than the treatment accorded by Germany.

Re Petain:

"He spoke next of England and all his bile against that country oozed out. Be assured. We do not intend to declare war on England. But we are going to return blow for blow. [Applause. Interruptions.] I’m going to give you the facts. England dragged us into this war; then, having dragged us in, she did nothing to help us win it. [Applause. Interruptions from some seats.]… We were considered as her mercenaries.

"France had put herself at the mercy of the Nazi Germans, had sacrificed the considerable military assets she had in the fleet and North Africa, had given up when she still could have fought on the seas and in the Empire, and had broken her solemn word to Britain not to make a separate peace. Moreover the idea that a French government in the unoccupied zone could be free and independent was a fiction. It would be under the heel of Hitler.

"The theme that “the British had run” and that now Britain would quickly suffer the same fate as France, was repeated to Bullitt almost word for word by Pétain and then by Darlan.

"The impression which emerges from these conversations [Bullitt cabled] is the extraordinary one that the French leaders desire to cut loose from all that France has represented during the past two generations, that their physical and moral defeat has been so absolute that they have accepted completely for France the fate of becoming a province of Nazi Germany. Moreover, in order that they may have as many companions in misery as possible they hope that England will be rapidly and completely defeated by Germany…. Their hope is that France may become Germany’s favorite province—a new Gau which will develop into a new Gaul."

Re General De Gaulle:

"Prostrate though the armistice left the country, with the fleet sacrificed and North Africa disarmed—the last two sources of military power left to France with which to resist and remain free—no politician or soldier in the homeland protested against its being signed. De Gaulle in London, fulminating against it in his daily broadcasts, was a lonely figure of a Frenchman. Few of his compatriots in the British capital would have anything to do with him. Alexis Léger, André Maurois, Pertinax, Jean Monnet, among others, refused to join him, and thousands of French troops and sailors and their officers, including three generals and two admirals, clamored for repatriation to the subjected motherland. They had no stomach for continuing the fight under the banner of the general’s Free French. In his broadcast on the evening of June 24 de Gaulle could not hide his sense of loneliness—and frustration. I will say this evening, simply because someone has to say it, what shame, what revolt rises in the hearts of decent Frenchmen…. France and the French have been delivered hand and foot to the enemy. But if decent Frenchmen were filled with shame and revolt no one else publicly expressed it. “The fact was,” de Gaulle recalled in his memoirs, “that not a single public figure raised his voice to condemn the armistice.”85 Not even Paul Reynaud. Baudouin"

There are many other quotes I could use, but it would mean taking up far too much of your precious time.
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But again, this selective quoting of senior French politicians and military leaders in specific situations gets you no further forward in your argument. Modern France is an ally, not an enemy. We have neighbourly squabbles but nothing along the lines of the Israelis & the Palestinians or India and Pakistan in Kashmir.

You've obviously put a lot of effort into developing your theme on this thread but why? Do you need France to be perceived as anti-British for some reason?
 
Curryman said:
GJR said:
But you appear to judge entire populations by the actions of a handful of politicians in an event that took place nearly a hundred years ago.
I think it's an odd way of looking at the world.

1966 said:
Whilst a certain type of English patriot goes dewy eyed at Shakespeare's take on Henry V at Agincourt, despite the fact that England lost most of its French lands in the hundred years war and were finally defeated by the French at Castillon. It's all history and the French have no interest in a return to the Ancien Régime.

Bray marina said:
Funny that Curryman, I spoke to my mother in law, my belle-mere, this morning and she mentioned none of that. She as a 97 year old french woman who has always had a bit of time for the English.

Bray, I have some very good French friends, who love Britain, or as we are always called England, but it does not change history I'm afraid.

So, looking at the let's destroy Curryman's thoughts posts on here, I've attached a few quotes from the book I have referred to. It is quite a tome, I must admit over 1000 pages, but as I've said in my other posts please read it before making unfounded comments.

Summary:

"In this last and sorriest chapter in the history of the Third Republic, chicanery, dupery, and every other imaginable kind of deceit, coupled with fear, cowardice, and abjectness, ran rampant and had predictable consequences."

RE Darlan (the head of the French Navy).

After the request to sail the French Navy to a neutral port, a French port in the Indies, or to a British port, prior to our sinking of the fleet at their naval base at Mers El Kébir in 1940.

"Darlan’s hatred of the British was matched by his distrust of them. Under no condition [he told Bullitt] would he send the Fleet to England since he was certain that the British would never return a single vessel of the Fleet to France, and that if Britain should win the war the treatment which would be accorded to France by Britain would be no more generous than the treatment accorded by Germany.

Re Petain:

"He spoke next of England and all his bile against that country oozed out. Be assured. We do not intend to declare war on England. But we are going to return blow for blow. [Applause. Interruptions.] I’m going to give you the facts. England dragged us into this war; then, having dragged us in, she did nothing to help us win it. [Applause. Interruptions from some seats.]… We were considered as her mercenaries.

"France had put herself at the mercy of the Nazi Germans, had sacrificed the considerable military assets she had in the fleet and North Africa, had given up when she still could have fought on the seas and in the Empire, and had broken her solemn word to Britain not to make a separate peace. Moreover the idea that a French government in the unoccupied zone could be free and independent was a fiction. It would be under the heel of Hitler.

"The theme that “the British had run” and that now Britain would quickly suffer the same fate as France, was repeated to Bullitt almost word for word by Pétain and then by Darlan.

"The impression which emerges from these conversations [Bullitt cabled] is the extraordinary one that the French leaders desire to cut loose from all that France has represented during the past two generations, that their physical and moral defeat has been so absolute that they have accepted completely for France the fate of becoming a province of Nazi Germany. Moreover, in order that they may have as many companions in misery as possible they hope that England will be rapidly and completely defeated by Germany…. Their hope is that France may become Germany’s favorite province—a new Gau which will develop into a new Gaul."

Re General De Gaulle:

"Prostrate though the armistice left the country, with the fleet sacrificed and North Africa disarmed—the last two sources of military power left to France with which to resist and remain free—no politician or soldier in the homeland protested against its being signed. De Gaulle in London, fulminating against it in his daily broadcasts, was a lonely figure of a Frenchman. Few of his compatriots in the British capital would have anything to do with him. Alexis Léger, André Maurois, Pertinax, Jean Monnet, among others, refused to join him, and thousands of French troops and sailors and their officers, including three generals and two admirals, clamored for repatriation to the subjected motherland. They had no stomach for continuing the fight under the banner of the general’s Free French. In his broadcast on the evening of June 24 de Gaulle could not hide his sense of loneliness—and frustration. I will say this evening, simply because someone has to say it, what shame, what revolt rises in the hearts of decent Frenchmen…. France and the French have been delivered hand and foot to the enemy. But if decent Frenchmen were filled with shame and revolt no one else publicly expressed it. “The fact was,” de Gaulle recalled in his memoirs, “that not a single public figure raised his voice to condemn the armistice.”85 Not even Paul Reynaud. Baudouin"

There are many other quotes I could use, but it would mean taking up far too much of your precious time.
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I still don't understand why you view the modern world through the lens of world war 2.
It makes no sense, it doesn't define modern day France or the people that live in it. I have been to France many times and know French people.
Can't ever recall a conversation based on events nearly a 100 years ago that was used to define me as a British citizen.
I'd like to think that they didn't judge me on the actions of Churchill, Attlee, Montgomery, Bomber Harris or Douglas Bader irrespective of wether their actions were good or bad!
I'm guessing you have a great interest in world war 2 and have much knowledge about it but I think it best to be an interest and not a tool to form one dimensional opinions on 21st century Europe.
If we followed your logic then it could be argued that we should have been on the side of the Germans in world war 1 because Napoleonic France was our enemy in 1815!
 
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Amazing modern day fact on France:

France has been the world's leading country for overseas tourist visits for each of the past 30 years.

They currently get about 90 million overseas visitors a year. The UK by comparison is in 10th place getting around 39 millon a year.
 
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Amazing modern day fact on France:

France has been the world's leading country for overseas tourist visits for each of the past 30 years.

They currently get about 90 million overseas visitors a year. The UK by comparison is in 10th place getting around 39 millon a year.
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And yet some were only praising France for capping energy prices at only 4% not that long ago.
It’s all massively backing firing now but hey who’s botherd.
 
Curryman said:
GJR said:
But you appear to judge entire populations by the actions of a handful of politicians in an event that took place nearly a hundred years ago.
I think it's an odd way of looking at the world.

1966 said:
Whilst a certain type of English patriot goes dewy eyed at Shakespeare's take on Henry V at Agincourt, despite the fact that England lost most of its French lands in the hundred years war and were finally defeated by the French at Castillon. It's all history and the French have no interest in a return to the Ancien Régime.

Bray marina said:
Funny that Curryman, I spoke to my mother in law, my belle-mere, this morning and she mentioned none of that. She as a 97 year old french woman who has always had a bit of time for the English.

Bray, I have some very good French friends, who love Britain, or as we are always called England, but it does not change history I'm afraid.

So, looking at the let's destroy Curryman's thoughts posts on here, I've attached a few quotes from the book I have referred to. It is quite a tome, I must admit over 1000 pages, but as I've said in my other posts please read it before making unfounded comments.

Summary:

"In this last and sorriest chapter in the history of the Third Republic, chicanery, dupery, and every other imaginable kind of deceit, coupled with fear, cowardice, and abjectness, ran rampant and had predictable consequences."

RE Darlan (the head of the French Navy).

After the request to sail the French Navy to a neutral port, a French port in the Indies, or to a British port, prior to our sinking of the fleet at their naval base at Mers El Kébir in 1940.

"Darlan’s hatred of the British was matched by his distrust of them. Under no condition [he told Bullitt] would he send the Fleet to England since he was certain that the British would never return a single vessel of the Fleet to France, and that if Britain should win the war the treatment which would be accorded to France by Britain would be no more generous than the treatment accorded by Germany.

Re Petain:

"He spoke next of England and all his bile against that country oozed out. Be assured. We do not intend to declare war on England. But we are going to return blow for blow. [Applause. Interruptions.] I’m going to give you the facts. England dragged us into this war; then, having dragged us in, she did nothing to help us win it. [Applause. Interruptions from some seats.]… We were considered as her mercenaries.

"France had put herself at the mercy of the Nazi Germans, had sacrificed the considerable military assets she had in the fleet and North Africa, had given up when she still could have fought on the seas and in the Empire, and had broken her solemn word to Britain not to make a separate peace. Moreover the idea that a French government in the unoccupied zone could be free and independent was a fiction. It would be under the heel of Hitler.

"The theme that “the British had run” and that now Britain would quickly suffer the same fate as France, was repeated to Bullitt almost word for word by Pétain and then by Darlan.

"The impression which emerges from these conversations [Bullitt cabled] is the extraordinary one that the French leaders desire to cut loose from all that France has represented during the past two generations, that their physical and moral defeat has been so absolute that they have accepted completely for France the fate of becoming a province of Nazi Germany. Moreover, in order that they may have as many companions in misery as possible they hope that England will be rapidly and completely defeated by Germany…. Their hope is that France may become Germany’s favorite province—a new Gau which will develop into a new Gaul."

Re General De Gaulle:

"Prostrate though the armistice left the country, with the fleet sacrificed and North Africa disarmed—the last two sources of military power left to France with which to resist and remain free—no politician or soldier in the homeland protested against its being signed. De Gaulle in London, fulminating against it in his daily broadcasts, was a lonely figure of a Frenchman. Few of his compatriots in the British capital would have anything to do with him. Alexis Léger, André Maurois, Pertinax, Jean Monnet, among others, refused to join him, and thousands of French troops and sailors and their officers, including three generals and two admirals, clamored for repatriation to the subjected motherland. They had no stomach for continuing the fight under the banner of the general’s Free French. In his broadcast on the evening of June 24 de Gaulle could not hide his sense of loneliness—and frustration. I will say this evening, simply because someone has to say it, what shame, what revolt rises in the hearts of decent Frenchmen…. France and the French have been delivered hand and foot to the enemy. But if decent Frenchmen were filled with shame and revolt no one else publicly expressed it. “The fact was,” de Gaulle recalled in his memoirs, “that not a single public figure raised his voice to condemn the armistice.”85 Not even Paul Reynaud. Baudouin"

There are many other quotes I could use, but it would mean taking up far too much of your precious time.
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If you’re interested in history you might want to read about Lord Halifax and the 1940 War Cabinet. And how close we came to capitulating to the Nazis as well.

Fortunately Churchill and Attlee won out - with the support of Chamberlain surprisingly.

But my point really - it wasn’t just the French who had a few surrender monkeys. We had our fair share too.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
If you’re interested in history you might want to read about Lord Halifax and the 1940 War Cabinet. And how close we came to capitulating to the Nazis as well.

Fortunately Churchill and Attlee won out - with the support of Chamberlain surprisingly.

But my point really - it wasn’t just the French who had a few surrender monkeys. We had our fair share too.
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Too many of the upper classes didn't see Germany as our enemy. They were also taken in by Hitler's promises to leave our South East Asian colonies alone.
 
I lived in France for 15 months and loved it. They don’t particularly like the English but I think that’s understandable.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
If you’re interested in history you might want to read about Lord Halifax and the 1940 War Cabinet. And how close we came to capitulating to the Nazis as well.

Fortunately Churchill and Attlee won out - with the support of Chamberlain surprisingly.

But my point really - it wasn’t just the French who had a few surrender monkeys. We had our fair share too.
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Mex, I'm well aware of the actions of Lord Halifax and others such as Lord Bedford who was allegedly a Nazi sympathiser and was viewed by the security services (as some have said nearly 100 years ago) as such. It does not, however, change my views on a portion of the French, not all I will admit, and the more I read, the more I learn.
 
Curryman said:
Mex, I'm well aware of the actions of Lord Halifax and others such as Lord Bedford who was allegedly a Nazi sympathiser and was viewed by the security services (as some have said nearly 100 years ago) as such. It does not, however, change my views on a portion of the French, not all I will admit, and the more I read, the more I learn.
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Fair enough. So long as you can remain balanced.

Why did Hess fly to Scotland?
 
Why have my comments and post re the characters in war time France been deleted? Free speech has gone on here!
 
Every country I have ever visited I have enjoyed and could quite happily live there ( except America). France,Belgium ,Spain, Germany,Italy, Turkey,Greece, Malta,Cyprus,Sweden,Ireland . Just remembered Tangiers was a shithole so not Morocco
 
Why do some on here always always go on about free speech, accept that it has consequences then whine when they get something deleted

Always the same fans as far as I can see
 
Well, that is that, my first post in some twenty odd years of posting being removed, for what reason I do not know., as I have not been informed. Perhaps the truth hurts.

It appears that I am now an arsehole, a wanker and a snowflake., yet despite the rules at the top of this section those posts, which are offensive to me, remain on the board. So I'll wave the white flag and leave you all to your happy little left wing cabal that is the Politics section, as it appears that healthy debate is now a thing of the past.

From the rules: There have been many reports today that the toxicity on social media and forums has become too commonplace and we don't want AVFTT to turn in to a breeding ground for anyone who can't tolerate others or express their views in an appropriate manner.

No doubt, this post will also be removed by whoever it is that deems themselves to be independent, where comments are concerned.
 
Curryman said:
Well, that is that, my first post in some twenty odd years of posting being removed, for what reason I do not know., as I have not been informed. Perhaps the truth hurts.

It appears that I am now an arsehole, a wanker and a snowflake., yet despite the rules at the top of this section those posts, which are offensive to me, remain on the board. So I'll wave the white flag and leave you all to your happy little left wing cabal that is the Politics section, as it appears that healthy debate is now a thing of the past.

From the rules: There have been many reports today that the toxicity on social media and forums has become too commonplace and we don't want AVFTT to turn in to a breeding ground for anyone who can't tolerate others or express their views in an appropriate manner.

No doubt, this post will also be removed by whoever it is that deems themselves to be independent, where comments are concerned.
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I have to say, while I thought your posts were a bit childish, I didn’t think they were particularly offensive and can’t see why they’ve been removed.
 
So Curryman flounces off cos his post has been deleted, a post that still exists on here, in Mex’s post, #19

Was it just that you wanted the world to know that you’d read a big book, Curryman

Anyway, no doubt you’ll eventually limp back like the wet, mildly bigoted, limp lettuce that you are

Get yourself some backbone, you saddo
 
Trammo said:
Have you heard the one about Jeremy Corblimey and John McDoughnut and Diane Abbattoir........ oh and Brexit is great and Labour are no good and my dad is bigger than your dad not that you have ever known him😂😜
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🙄 Are you telling us that you did 🤔
 
Curryman said:
Try the following read, it will give you a view of how the French have shouted Vive le France whilst falling out with each other, trying to return to the days of Louis le Grande le Roi Soleil, capitulating to the Nazi's and a bit of an insight into their way of thinking including their hatred of us.

"The Collapse of the Third Republic: An Inquiry into the Fall of France in 1940" by William L. Shirer, In short, they appear to have a large minority who wish France to return to the glory days of the 17th Century.
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Rather like England then?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
....Whilst a certain type of English patriot goes dewy eyed at Shakespeare's take on Henry V at Agincourt, despite the fact that England lost most of its French lands in the hundred years war and were finally defeated by the French at Castillon. It's all history and the French have no interest in a return to the Ancien Régime.
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Quite. I lived down the road from Castillon for 25 years. Interestingly, they ( the French) hate us so much that they erected a monument at Castillon to....... the defeated English general Talbot in recognition of his bravery and chlvalry.
 
Curryman said:
Well, that is that, my first post in some twenty odd years of posting being removed, for what reason I do not know., as I have not been informed. Perhaps the truth hurts.

It appears that I am now an arsehole, a wanker and a snowflake., yet despite the rules at the top of this section those posts, which are offensive to me, remain on the board. So I'll wave the white flag and leave you all to your happy little left wing cabal that is the Politics section, as it appears that healthy debate is now a thing of the past.

From the rules: There have been many reports today that the toxicity on social media and forums has become too commonplace and we don't want AVFTT to turn in to a breeding ground for anyone who can't tolerate others or express their views in an appropriate manner.

No doubt, this post will also be removed by whoever it is that deems themselves to be independent, where comments are concerned.
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Don't agree with your post being removed, odd that.
 
Curryman said:
Why have my comments and post re the characters in war time France been deleted? Free speech has gone on here!
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Strange one that, seemed like a reasonable discussion to me, didn't agree with you in any way but no idea why your post would be removed.
 
Is that a Pool fan on the front row right hand side? 😉
I can't say a bad word about the French people.
When we moved there in 2002 the neighbours were wonderful.
The guy opposite came over on our 1st day and said (in perfect English) 'If you want any help, translation or otherwise, don't hesitate to call me'.
We lived in a cul-de-sac with about 15 houses and they were all good neighbours.
P.S. I would still be there but MrsDP got 'homesick after 5 years so we sold up (at a loss) and came home.
 
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Curryman said:
Well, that is that, my first post in some twenty odd years of posting being removed, for what reason I do not know., as I have not been informed. Perhaps the truth hurts.

It appears that I am now an arsehole, a wanker and a snowflake., yet despite the rules at the top of this section those posts, which are offensive to me, remain on the board. So I'll wave the white flag and leave you all to your happy little left wing cabal that is the Politics section, as it appears that healthy debate is now a thing of the past.

From the rules: There have been many reports today that the toxicity on social media and forums has become too commonplace and we don't want AVFTT to turn in to a breeding ground for anyone who can't tolerate others or express their views in an appropriate manner.

No doubt, this post will also be removed by whoever it is that deems themselves to be independent, where comments are concerned.
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Many of us have had posts deleted by the Mods. Just dust yourself down and go again.
 
Curryman said:
Well, that is that, my first post in some twenty odd years of posting being removed, for what reason I do not know., as I have not been informed. Perhaps the truth hurts.

It appears that I am now an arsehole, a wanker and a snowflake., yet despite the rules at the top of this section those posts, which are offensive to me, remain on the board. So I'll wave the white flag and leave you all to your happy little left wing cabal that is the Politics section, as it appears that healthy debate is now a thing of the past.

From the rules: There have been many reports today that the toxicity on social media and forums has become too commonplace and we don't want AVFTT to turn in to a breeding ground for anyone who can't tolerate others or express their views in an appropriate manner.

No doubt, this post will also be removed by whoever it is that deems themselves to be independent, where comments are concerned.
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I read your post yesterday and can’t think of any reason why it should have been deleted.
 
Davepick said:
Is that a Pool fan on the front row right hand side? 😉
I can't say a bad word about the French people.
When we moved there in 2002 the neighbours were wonderful.
The guy opposite came over on our 1st day and said (in perfect English) 'If you want any help, translation or otherwise, don't hesitate to call me'.
We lived in a cul-de-sac with about 15 houses and they were all good neighbours.
P.S. I would still be there but MrsDP got 'homesick after 5 years so we sold up (at a loss) and came home.
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Whereabouts in France did you live? Was the weather noticeably better.
 
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