Gideon Falter

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Not a great optic for the met police when they called this chap openly Jewish and threatened to arrest him for being too close to a pro Palestine protest. However just imagine he was a football fan doing the same thing near opposing fans …he would have likely been hit with batons had dogs set on him and arrested for breach of the peace if he protested. There is definitely one rule for political protest and the likes of just stop oil and a zero tolerance approach for football fans.
 
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Poorly worded may be an understatement! I’m very close with a lot of police officers and they couldn’t believe anyone would say what was said!
 
hertfordseasider said:
I think it was done with good intent but poorly worded, storm in a teacup if you ask me and just another political stick to beat the police with. Lots of flubber flubber flubber from those who love a good flubber
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Agreed Herts, the Skipper was very clumsy with his wording but was trying to do initially a hard brief which was trying to keep the Peace. He was polite, but could have diffused the situation a bit better.
 
Should have just let him walk into the protest march. Advise him that it might not be the best route but if he refused just let him go.

I personally don't see what the copper did wrong. He said he would escort him to keep him safe. There was no politically correct or easy way to get the point over when someone doesn't want to listen.
 
tangerine wonderland said:
Should have just let him walk into the protest march. Advise him that it might not be the best route but if he refused just let him go.

I personally don't see what the copper did wrong. He said he would escort him to keep him safe. There was no politically correct or easy way to get the point over when someone doesn't want to listen.
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Well, I think there is a lot of truth in that too. They were only trying to help and he was obviously Jewish so why was it wrong to say that in the circumstances? like I said, to could have been worded better but the hoo hah they are making over it is ridiculous.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Poorly worded may be an understatement! I’m very close with a lot of police officers and they couldn’t believe anyone would say what was said!
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He was trying to be helpful, sometimes the words chosen in the heat of the moment may be the wrong ones, but this is just an overblown story that is a fart in the wind.
 
Apparently if you listen to the full 13 minute interview, the police officer offered to take him to a crossing away from the protest , but the Jewish chap & all his mates who were filming wouldn’t accept that & barged into the police officer , who could very easily have arrested him. They were there to cause trouble & film it , but the police officer should not have used the words “openly Jewish”.
Nothing to see here, move on .
 
It also raises a wider point about people being prevented from going about their normal business. He was not there to protest but had come out of the synagogue after worship and was trying to cross the road to go home. Other people had been allowed to cross the road, but because the police had said he was 'openly Jewish' , they threaten to arrest a lawful and peaceful person going about there normal business and discriminate against him in the process.
The Met Police have made a rod for their own backs by not properly policing these mass protests (allowing unlawful behaviour and abuse from some, with no action), but preventing other people (and even threatening to arrest them) for going about their normal and lawful business. The same has applied with other protesters, such as Stop Oil. And, as others have said, they are inconsistent - look how they policed the Sarah Everard vigil. The Met appear be institutionally racist, misogonist, incompetent and kowtow to the latest political protests.
 
bfcpete said:
It also raises a wider point about people being prevented from going about their normal business. He was not there to protest but had come out of the synagogue after worship and was trying to cross the road to go home. Other people had been allowed to cross the road, but because the police had said he was 'openly Jewish' , they threaten to arrest a lawful and peaceful person going about there normal business and discriminate against him in the process.
The Met Police have made a rod for their own backs by not properly policing these mass protests (allowing unlawful behaviour and abuse from some, with no action), but preventing other people (and even threatening to arrest them) for going about their normal and lawful business. The same has applied with other protesters, such as Stop Oil. And, as others have said, they are inconsistent - look how they policed the Sarah Everard vigil. The Met appear be institutionally racist, misogonist, incompetent and kowtow to the latest political protests.
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With the greatest respect Pete, that is ill informed bullshit.

He had been to the Synagogue but wasn't in the area, he said he and several other men decided to go for a walk which coincidentally ended up with them being where the pro Palestinian march was and he tried to walk in amongst it with spookily the Sky news cameras there and the men he was with filming it on their phones. Now I am all for peaceful demonstrations, which this was and the same when any other group hold a protest march. But lets not be naive enough to believe this wasn't premeditated to be confrontational and apart from the "Openly Jewish" comment which was made in a tense moment, instigated by Falter I think the Police handled it really well and Falter. was just being a **.

The Met have made some horrendous mistakes in the past but this wasn't one of them.
 
I was in London when they had a similar March back in January. It was huge, there were thousands of people and police however I found it quite easy to avoid when I wanted to get somewhere.
I think ultimately the police were just trying to stop him being caught up in a disturbance. It was worded incorrectly but they were actually just trying to protect him which seems to have been lost in the media reports.
 
news.sky.com

Sky News footage reveals new details of exchange between police and antisemitism campaigner called 'openly Jewish'

The footage gives context to the lengthy and fraught exchanges, with Metropolitan Police chief Sir Mark Rowley facing calls to resign following the incident.
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This gives the full context. He’s not an innocent vicitm. He’s a professional victim who was there with the sole objective of causing a confrontation with peaceful marchers. That didn’t work so he decided to have one with the police instead.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
news.sky.com

Sky News footage reveals new details of exchange between police and antisemitism campaigner called 'openly Jewish'

The footage gives context to the lengthy and fraught exchanges, with Metropolitan Police chief Sir Mark Rowley facing calls to resign following the incident.
news.sky.com news.sky.com

This gives the full context. He’s not an innocent vicitm. He’s a professional victim who was there with the sole objective of causing a confrontation with peaceful marchers. That didn’t work so he decided to have one with the police instead.
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Yer wearing that scull cap in public gave it away just don’t know how we allow such antagonising things.
He should be flogged or better still stoned till he begged forgiveness.
 
My point was to highlight the different policing methods for political and protest gatherings in comparison to the way football fans are treated. He literally would have been hit with a baton and told to f off and move and if he didnt he would probably be arrested for a breach of the peace. Football fans are treated appallingly in this country and others.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
news.sky.com

Sky News footage reveals new details of exchange between police and antisemitism campaigner called 'openly Jewish'

The footage gives context to the lengthy and fraught exchanges, with Metropolitan Police chief Sir Mark Rowley facing calls to resign following the incident.
news.sky.com news.sky.com

This gives the full context. He’s not an innocent vicitm. He’s a professional victim who was there with the sole objective of causing a confrontation with peaceful marchers. That didn’t work so he decided to have one with the police instead.
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Context old boy, context. He went to get a reaction and he got it and our media have fallen over themselves to big it up. The blokes an utter dick, same as if someone who was Palestinian did the same on an march against Palestine, it's got phuck all to do with religion it's to do with people being utter c****!!
 
So standing peacefully observing a peaceful protest can get you arrested?

The Met have a difficult job; but seriously, if that is where we are, we've royally fucked up somewhere.
 
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TSSeasider said:
So standing peacefully observing a peaceful can get you arrested?

The Met have a difficult job; but seriously, if that is where we are, we've royally fucked up somewhere.
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He wasn’t just standing “peacefully observing” though was he? Nor was he arrested.

It’d be good if people just stuck to the facts, but that’s a forlorn hope on here.
 
I was watching an interview by K y Burley in which he denied there were any Jewish groups involved in any march, and refused to speak to the guy making the point. Agenda driven, carefully set up and incredibly arrogant. Even Sunak isn't supporting his call to sack the Commissioner
 
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