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The latest pos to hit the fan.
The latest pos to hit the fan.
This post is just littered with unqualified opinion dressed up as reality. The sort of garbage we are force fed daily from the media.After such a promising start with their stance on Brexit their handling of the virus has been completely inept. They certainly are responsible for thousands of deaths with their reluctance to get prepared beforehand and their reluctance to do anything during the virus. There was no disguising the fact that the virus was on its way but they just sat back hoping it wouldn't happen.
Now they are so fixed on getting the country back open because big business is in a flap about losing money that the thought of human life doesn't matter. As usual with the Tories its come down to money and lining pockets. Surely life is more important than money, because without your health money is worth diddly. All these people now getting the virus and not being hospitalised are going to suffer long term health problems and more than likely die young. It has already been shown that the virus attacks and damages internal organs
Winter is going to be a disaster in this nation. There is no doubt going to be a surge in cases and deaths as the virus is not going to just go away and with the way this muppet government has performed so far another lockdown will kill our economy stone dead and end businesses. They should be planning now for a huge virus surge this winter and looking at ways to keep businesses running at the same time as protecting the people.
This post is just littered with unqualified opinion dressed up as reality. The sort of garbage we are force fed daily from the media.
The Government has forked out billions in financial support to ‘preserve life’.
So much so, in fact, that Britain have one of the lowest rates of employees willing to return to work in Europe (less than half the percentage compared to France).
A healthy economy is vital to ensuring the medium / long term well being of the nation and significantly more deaths will occur over time if we are not also focused on getting things moving.
There’s no evidence whatsoever that “All these people” will have organ damage or long term health issues. Just like a small minority have died, there are also a small number of people who may suffer long term issues. There’s nothing to suggest all those people will die young either.... That’s pure speculation.
Further, there’s no evidence to support “Winter being a disaster”. In fact we have no idea whether or not the virus is seasonal or whether or not it is likely to surge significantly or even at all in the U.K.
So are you bothered about the economy or not? You open up by bemoaning Government attempts to get the economy back on its feet and also bemoan them potentially locking down??? They seemingly can’t win either way!
It seems to me that they are planning for a potential increase in the coming months. Time will tell how effective they have been.
you know that for certain do you? Name and shameThey have also thrown money to corporations who have then used that money to pay dividends to shareholders while making redundancies. Boris Johnson said he hoped businesses would act responsibly but our nothing in place to actually force them to do so.
There's no evidence about winter but there's huge concern, most winters stretch services to capacity as it is, with the already huge backlog it'll take very little to break the system.This post is just littered with unqualified opinion dressed up as reality. The sort of garbage we are force fed daily from the media.
The Government has forked out billions in financial support to ‘preserve life’.
So much so, in fact, that Britain have one of the lowest rates of employees willing to return to work in Europe (less than half the percentage compared to France).
A healthy economy is vital to ensuring the medium / long term well being of the nation and significantly more deaths will occur over time if we are not also focused on getting things moving.
There’s no evidence whatsoever that “All these people” will have organ damage or long term health issues. Just like a small minority have died, there are also a small number of people who may suffer long term issues. There’s nothing to suggest all those people will die young either.... That’s pure speculation.
Further, there’s no evidence to support “Winter being a disaster”. In fact we have no idea whether or not the virus is seasonal or whether or not it is likely to surge significantly or even at all in the U.K.
So are you bothered about the economy or not? You open up by bemoaning Government attempts to get the economy back on its feet and also bemoan them potentially locking down??? They seemingly can’t win either way!
It seems to me that they are planning for a potential increase in the coming months. Time will tell how effective they have been.
There's no evidence about winter but there's huge concern, most winters stretch services to capacity as it is, with the already huge backlog it'll take very little to break the system.
I tend to agree, the media don't seem to be carrying out any actual journalism.I think most people would accept that there will be concern about Winter and rightly so. To be concerned is one thing... To state that "Winter is going to be a disaster in this nation" as if it is some kind of fait accompli is something different altogether. As I said in my response, it's the same sort of hysterical nonsense that appears in our daily dose of fear from the media and it's unhelpful.
With regard to the o/p I guess the government have handled some things well and some things not so well. You would hope they would identify, be honest about, learn from and make changes in areas that have not gone so well (probably a bit naive to expect that though).
In some ways there are parallels with Brexit in that many people have strong views on this subject without the full facts being available so there is lots of conjecture and guesswork.
Given that we are seeing second spikes in the UK and many other countries and there are big concerns about the forthcoming winter, I would suggest it would be difficult to form a fully formed judgement on the performance of the government.
In terms of a half term report - Must do better ?
the media should be asking who this money is given to .................. and why are we continually giving contracts to concerns who constantly fail to deliver.
you know that for certain do you? Name and shame
In an ideal world!There's an assumption here that I'd like to test, namely that contracts and money are one and the same thing.
I noticed this in questions asked by Dawn Buttler to Matt Hancock about a number of contracts that were issued, I thought his response was actually a bit weak, she was asking about £1,000,000+ contracts awarded to questionable companies, here's the answer that she should have been given:
.........if the department enters into a contract with Dawn Buttler Limited to supply 100,000,000 items of PPE at £1 per item, that would be in your words "a hundred million pound contract"; that does not mean that you receive a cheque for £100,000,000 and get to swan off into the sunset, there are performance conditions and staged payments, if you don't deliver what is contracted for you don't get paid........
S&TSC minutes, 21 July, Q1202 onwards if you wish to check.
The hospitals have become hotbeds of CV19 themselves TBF, so I'm not convinced that decision killed old people as they were just as susceptible, if not moreso had they remained in hospital. It seems to have been an issue in various countries and without access to fast and effective testing and PPE the care setting was always going to present a problem.What hacked me off the most was after they'd discharged patients into care homes to clear the NHS beds Tony Hancock claimed they'd thrown a protective ring around care homes when that decision alone killed thousands of vulnerable old folk.
He must think we're bleeding stupid.
erm, aren’t you forgetting the people already in care homes who died as a result of hospitals moving patients to homes without testing. One release from hospital resulted in three dead at my mum’s care home
We're simply not geared up for this at all and that is down to years of underfunding and a wilfull ignorance of an issue that we had been warned about.
The country had been set up with massive stocks of PPE which were supposed to be rotated to ensure they remained in date. Then the Tories sold off the stock management to a private company who did not keep the equipment up to date due to cost cutting and the end result was millions of unusable and potentially dangerous equipment being stamped with new dates without testing and when they were actually useless.
And one party have been warning about this for the last 10 years.
Definitely a wind up merchant, comedic type character.
I assume that this what Cat was referring to.Stamp / sticker .... doesn’t sound like NOBODY to me but perhaps you’d care to comment, BSideCSide
The last decade of underinvestment in the care sector and NHS has well and truly come home to roost. Your comment about people's circumstances forcing them into work sums up the lack of appreciation both financial and emotional that was there prior to COVID.I supect the infections in the care setting have developed from a variety of different sources, not least the low paid staff. There's plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that staff may have been going into work when they shouldn't have, having outside contact that may have proved risky, balancing home life and work life, kids at schools etc...
The situation wasn't ideal and there will be a point where a thorough review needs to be undertaken of what could have been done better, but it really is too early to draw many serious conclusions.
At the time we needed access to hospital beds and the testing and PPE was thin on the ground...Arguably the whole set up in our hospitals is a complete fuck up when it comes to managing the spread of this virus and ideally we shouldn't be mixing people with infectious diseases in the same buildings....We're simply not geared up for this at all and that is down to years of underfunding and a wilfull ignorance of an issue that we had been warned about.
Sorry Rec3, but it's a bit hard to comment on 20 odd GP surgeries getting a box of masks that had the stock dates changed.
A lot of attempts by the right wing exponents on here to rewrite history when the truth isSorry Rec3, but it's a bit hard to comment on 20 odd GP surgeries getting a box of masks that had the stock dates changed.
It really doesn't sound anything like Cats quote of.....
"millions of unusable and potentially dangerous equipment being stamped with new dates without testing and when they were actually useless".......
So 20 odd GP surgeries received (lets say) 2 boxes of 100 masks
Which would have cost the NHS about £100 - £150+vat........
Not exactly what Cat was saying.....in fact it was a gross over exaggeration
PPE isn't like fresh food or fruit that you buy at Tesco, it will not rot or spoil the longer it sits on a shelf.
Dates are normally put on health products to aid in stock control.
It will show when, where and how that product was manufactured so it can be traced in the event of a problem or needs to be recalled.
I would imagine the extreme demand for masks allowed NHS purchasing to accept a batch of older products it may have not normally have passed on but would have been perfectly fine for retailers, old folks homes, industry or anybody else.
Hope that makes sense and answers your question.......as for Cat.....just more
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