EagleDay
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Going round and round in circles aren't we, that question has been answered numerous times.Either way it was all over in a matter of seconds. I can't see why some people get their knickers in a twist over it.
Going round and round in circles aren't we, that question has been answered numerous times.Either way it was all over in a matter of seconds. I can't see why some people get their knickers in a twist over it.
It’s giving the racists an opportunity to gain traction. As others have said, get back to a football centred and officially endorsed kick it out campaign and drop the knee bending BLM division.That's fine if we agree to keep racists out of football.
And how is kneeling going to stop online abuse? The players know the vast majority of fans are with them so why do they insist on copying this Yankee nonsense?Another WUM thread designed to divide.
Anyone with a brain is against Racism in Football. The abuse of players online by those without brains is unacceptable and the social media companies must be made to act.
The initial intent of taking the knee was valid and supported by everyone. To continue it all season was always going to be a stretch. It's done now.
Racist abuse is carried out by morons. It isn't tolerated in football grounds any more much like it isn't in the streets and pubs. These morons are in the minute minority. Their online voices need to be silenced.
It can't, accusations of racism are from those who cannot accept another person's opinion.Wiz
We have discussed this topic time and time again.
Regardless of what you, me or anybody thinks about "Taking the knee" it is not an official stance.
Even if it was an official stance, how on earth would booing it be seen as a stance in favour of racism ?
And how is kneeling going to stop online abuse? The players know the vast majority of fans are with them so why do they insist on copying this Yankee nonsense?
It can't, accusations of racism are from those who cannot accept another person's opinion.
It isn't.
The intent was sign of solidarity.
Its done. Leave it.
I've been saying for a long time the people who follow this BLM campaign are the most intolerant of all. I hope to God it does not follow the same path as in the states and we get back to our own ways.Eagle
It's OK for high profile black players - including Sterling and Zaha - to speak out against the "taking the knee" protest without facing allegations of racism.
Blackpool supporters question the worth of this form of protest and they face accusations of racism.
Those who choose to criticise the Blackpool supporters and accuse them of racism are clearly guilty of prejudice and it could be suggested that they are intolerant.
Rather than continually making ridiculous and frivolous accusations of racism against fellow supporters it might be an idea to consider the value of the continuation of "taking the knee".
Fair enough, if you honestly believe that the continuation of this form of protest is actually worthwhile but I'd suggest that it is very divisive and actually does more harm than good.
There is no "scourge of racism" that Wiz talks about and there is certainly no big problem at Bloomfield Road and it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
Of course we can always to better and racism is certainly something that we should be looking to eradicate completely but do we really believe that this will be done by the continuation of "taking the knee" ?
Maybe time to identify people who are intolerant, people who have prejudices and people who discriminate and take proper meaningful action rather than making false accusations of racism against people whose only crime is to question a certain method of protest.
Not everyone booing is a racist, but you can guarantee the racists will be booing.Wiz
We have discussed this topic time and time again.
Regardless of what you, me or anybody thinks about "Taking the knee" it is not an official stance.
Even if it was an official stance, how on earth would booing it be seen as a stance in favour of racism ?
Not everyone booing is a racist, but you can guarantee the racists will be booing.
A bit off the wall but essentially its basic, base hatred because someone is different, and an excuse to drop down to the primeval gutter level.I don’t understand racism at all. Genuinely, in the world today where for decades we’ve enjoyed sport, music, Tv, healthcare etc etc etc from people of all colour and creeds it seems strange to be selective enough to even see a difference.
I guess I’m just weird? If you are racist would you not eat a curry or refuse to watch your team if they weren’t all the same skin tone as you? Is that how it works? Basically the vegan attitude to animal products but based on a colour chart?
Not sure if you were in the ground, but the commentators mentioned it was about the restrictions, the boo was so noticeable in TV.They’re dammed if they do and damned if they don’t!
instead of booing taking the knee, every one of those fans should have booed the pathetic attendance when announced (I know there was a smatter) but it really should have been escalated!
Go back and point out where I've made any accusations against anyone.Wiz
Very lazy and not very original.
To be fair, it's better than your previous nonsense above in suggesting that it was racist to question the "taking the knee" protest so at least you are improving and quickly.
On a more serious note Wiz, I have no need to fall out with you over this matter but I don't think it's acceptable to make completely frivolous of accusations of racism against people who just happen to question the value of a certain form of protest.
I have no problem with you putting a greater value on the worth of the "taking the knee" protest than others do but I honestly feel that you - and others - should be more tolerant of the opinion of others.
Good point.
And what I can't understand is why so many people want to copy the mentally unstable Yanks.Hold on Joe...You do know that It's quite a few peoples "divisive political" agenda.....In fact it's the majorities agenda...
You know...don't be a tw@t...Just be nice to everyone, stop sending racist Tweets/Facebook posts...stop dragging your knuckles when you walk.
You...my little, teapot, are definitely in the minority of those knuckle draggers who don't seem to be able to work out why it's happening...
But you just keep up with the..."It's political"...as if none of the players who take a knee have a brain or understand why they do it....
Come on B_Side. You know you're in the minority. You know it has nothing to do with racism. And I'm sure you know it's going to result in trouble on the terraces. If not, you'd better scoot down to Specsavers and get tested.Hold on Joe...You do know that It's quite a few peoples "divisive political" agenda.....In fact it's the majorities agenda...
You know...don't be a tw@t...Just be nice to everyone, stop sending racist Tweets/Facebook posts...stop dragging your knuckles when you walk.
You...my little, teapot, are definitely in the minority of those knuckle draggers who don't seem to be able to work out why it's happening...
But you just keep up with the..."It's political"...as if none of the players who take a knee have a brain or understand why they do it....
Why boo any of it?Not read the rest of the thread as it'll be same old same old.
But..
Before you come on accusing fans of something do your research.
Were they booing the taking of the knee.
Were they in fact, booing the dark lad from Lincoln who DIDN'T take the knee.
The booing could have been for a multitude of reasons yet you jumped into the blame game. People have a choice and you may or may not agree with them , your choice may not be right, likewise theirs. It's called life, get on with it.
Sorry......But HOW do you know people who aren't racist and want to stop racists ruining football are in the minority......?
You took a quick poll down the pub....asked your mate.....listened to Eagle day or 2020?
Be honest....those boo boys are just a bunch of obese 'lads, lads, lads' in their 40's & 50's who sit on the terraces wearing dodgy Stone Island fakes, covered in bad tattoo's, thinking that they are extra's in Green Street movie and wishing Tommy Johnson would make a come back......or are you honestly trying to say they are politically motivated.....in favour of racism....
Their boo's only sound loud(ish) when the majority of the crowd are being quiet for the 10 seconds that the players kneel.....just 10 seconds
And WHY will those not booing....those showing respect for others opinions (even if they don't agree with them) going to cause trouble....?
Those fans not booing are showing respect for others right to express their concerns......do you want to boo a footballer like Ward for kneeling when he' been openly abused by racists who are attacking him for the colour of his skin..?
Those booing...could just ignore what's going on, turn their backs, walk away, go for a pee....pop off and get their hoods and burning cross...
And If you cant.....or wont understand the honest reason behind fighting racism........well........
Aaawwwww, now I'm offended. EagleDay is one word, not two.Sorry......But HOW do you know people who aren't racist and want to stop racists ruining football are in the minority......?
You took a quick poll down the pub....asked your mate.....listened to Eagle day or 2020?
Be honest....those boo boys are just a bunch of obese 'lads, lads, lads' in their 40's & 50's who sit on the terraces wearing dodgy Stone Island fakes, covered in bad tattoo's, thinking that they are extra's in Green Street movie and wishing Tommy Johnson would make a come back......or are you honestly trying to say they are politically motivated.....in favour of racism....
Their boo's only sound loud(ish) when the majority of the crowd are being quiet for the 10 seconds that the players kneel.....just 10 seconds
And WHY will those not booing....those showing respect for others opinions (even if they don't agree with them) going to cause trouble....?
Those fans not booing are showing respect for others right to express their concerns......do you want to boo a footballer like Ward for kneeling when he' been openly abused by racists who are attacking him for the colour of his skin..?
Those booing...could just ignore what's going on, turn their backs, walk away, go for a pee....pop off and get their hoods and burning cross...
And If you cant.....or wont understand the honest reason behind fighting racism........well........
I had a big reply...but to be honest, I don't have the time or the inclination to argue against every basic inaccuracy of this post....I really don't need to justify anything. It's clear that a number of high profile footballers are choosing to not kneel and several clubs have reached the same conclusion, such as West Ham, Brentford, Oxford, Bournemouth etc. Now, other sports bodies have taken the decision to ban what they call 'political gestures', including kneeling and black power clenched fist gestures, the Olympic Committee being one of them. UEFA too has vowed to stop political gestures in its upcoming tournament.
As Oliver Brown said in the Telegraph, most football fans who object to players kneeling before games are not racist but have simply grown tired of being force-fed politics and are suspicious that the act is a front for advancing the extreme aims of BLM, after all the EPL campaigned under the BLM banner last year. The growing protests from the terraces suggests that the action, however well intentioned, had run out of road and was not achieving anything positive. Further, the act of kneeling has become an essentially English issue. Foreign clubs and players have predominantly dropped the gesture.
So, expect a number of things this year. Sportsmen being banned from the Olympics for making gestures, more football clubs taking a decision to end kneeling, fans turning their backs on teams kneeling and more booing. Like it or hate it, that's the way it's going to be. If you like to see that kind of hostility, go for it. If, like Oliver Brown, you believe that kneeling has now run out of road and that taking the knee is going to compound racial tension, then get rid asap.
So booing isn't a narrow or insular attitude?I'll give you a tip B_side. And this I've learned through running successful companies and negotiating high value contracts over a number of years. You will never succeed in negotiations if you adopt a narrow and insular attitude. Your first mistake is to attempt to belittle and insult the person you are talking to. You do it all the time. Secondly, you make an assumption that you are always right and the other person is wrong. Your attitude is patronising and extremely child like. Thirdly, you are so determined to see only your own point of view that you twist facts and make assumptions that don't exist. That's not how debating works.
For example, "I find it staggering that you cant comprehend basic human rights because the colour of someone's skin". Inaccurate, patronising, naive all rolled into one statement. Here's another one "How do you convince someone, to change their mind; when they cant even comprehend that what they are doing is wrong on a base level". A puerile response from someone who lacks the willingness to discuss an issue. How about "if someone calls you a bigot or a racist...don't take it personally.......you just happen to tick all the boxes". You have managed in one post to call me a bigot, a racist, unable to comprehend human rights, unable to comprehend what I am doing is wrong. You don't even know me, yet you make extremist and unfounded assumptions based on an article in the Telegraph and my statement that I think kneeling at sports events should end.
I could continue to argue the issue in question with you, but really there is little point as you don't engage in discussions. I don't know what work you do, but you come across as an angry left wing student who has lots of principles to adhere to but who hasn't become involved in grown up life yet. Shame really, because you make some valid posts.
Good reply, Joe. To expand on that would be superfluous, so I'll leave it at that.I'll give you a tip B_side. And this I've learned through running successful companies and negotiating high value contracts over a number of years. You will never succeed in negotiations if you adopt a narrow and insular attitude. Your first mistake is to attempt to belittle and insult the person you are talking to. You do it all the time. Secondly, you make an assumption that you are always right and the other person is wrong. Your attitude is patronising and extremely child like. Thirdly, you are so determined to see only your own point of view that you twist facts and make assumptions that don't exist. That's not how debating works.
For example, "I find it staggering that you cant comprehend basic human rights because the colour of someone's skin". Inaccurate, patronising, naive all rolled into one statement. Here's another one "How do you convince someone, to change their mind; when they cant even comprehend that what they are doing is wrong on a base level". A puerile response from someone who lacks the willingness to discuss an issue. How about "if someone calls you a bigot or a racist...don't take it personally.......you just happen to tick all the boxes". You have managed in one post to call me a bigot, a racist, unable to comprehend human rights, unable to comprehend what I am doing is wrong. You don't even know me, yet you make extremist and unfounded assumptions based on an article in the Telegraph and my statement that I think kneeling at sports events should end.
I could continue to argue the issue in question with you, but really there is little point as you don't engage in discussions. I don't know what work you do, but you come across as an angry left wing student who has lots of principles to adhere to but who hasn't become involved in grown up life yet. Shame really, because you make some valid posts.
I have long held the belief there are people who do not want racism to do die, why? who knows. But you obviously appear to be one of those people with your determination to make out everybody who disagrees with your views as a racist and a bigot, because let's face it, the discussion on these pages is just a simple disagreement of how anti-race campaigns should proceed there has been nothing racist or bigoted been said or could even be interpreted as such. That is of course you are not just a wind-up merchant or an ardent wannabe Yank, that is certainly how you are now coming across."A puerile response from someone who lacks the willingness to discuss an issue"......So what do you think we have been doing for the last 20+ posts?
If you have to open a thread with...."I've learned through running successful companies ...high value contracts.....never succeed in negotiations.....narrow and insular attitude".
How can anyone take you seriously when your only answer is to throw your employment at me...like I care if you were a *plumber, Civil Servant or worked at BAE...Look...I'm an executive, therefore my comments must be more valid because........why......you got a company car...a corner desk....managed to negotiate paper clips £20 cheaper than last year......but you cant even justify why you boo players taking a knee....
And, were not negotiating.....as I don't think you understand what that really means.....Because in negotiating, you must see and understand what the other person is offering...see it from their side....and then find a common ground to discuss....So far, the only common ground you found is with Eagle Day who's really happy that everyone thinks he's a right wing Nazi....
SO...as a patronising, childish, left wing student......you completely failed to show me or convince me that there is an acceptable reason for you and others to boo players, highlighting racism for 10 seconds before a game.
I may or may not agree with it...but they have the right to do it and I will shut the f##k up while they do it....for as long as they want to do it.
*NOTE: I want to apologise to all plumbers for bring them into this.....I have the upmost respect for you charging £40 an hour to change a washer......I just wanted to show that you don't have to be a high flying executive to have your comments accepted by us patronising kids.
It’s overshadowing the game, well this thread is anyway.This thread getting as tiresome and pointless as taking the knee now.......
Was it a Black Bloke?
Was it a Black Bloke?
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Does anyone think this guy will be teaching his daughter to boo people who take the knee? Especially when they do so in solidarity with a mate who has received racial abuse over social media. Nope, because he gets it.Does anyone think this guy will be teaching his daughter to take the knee and give the black power salute ? Nope, because he gets it.